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Until we have corroboration from a reputable source, I would be cautious about reading too much into a laptop icon. It may be true, given that Apple has brought almost all applicable features from iOS and iPadOS to macOS, but I wouldn't read too much into it for now.
 
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Until we have corroboration from a reputable source, I would be cautious about reading too much into a laptop icon. It may be true, given that Apple has brought almost all applicable features from iOS and iPadOS to macOS, but I wouldn't read too much into it for now.

The funny thing is when the MacBook Pro first got the notch, it was never rumored until a week before the event when a sketchy report came to be and a few days later a photo of the hardware. I believe Mac hardware design changes are harder to get by compared to other Apple devices. Let's see.
 

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At a bare minimum it doesn't make any less sense than the notch that's too big for the camera alone - if you're going to have a screen cutout anyway you'd just as well bring the dynamic island functionality and FaceID across with it.
 

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At a bare minimum it doesn't make any less sense than the notch that's too big for the camera alone - if you're going to have a screen cutout anyway you'd just as well bring the dynamic island functionality and FaceID across with it.
Even if they do not bring over Face ID and the Dynamic Island as a feature, it would still create a more coherent look across devices. The notch will look quite old soon now that all other devices abandoned it.
 

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At a bare minimum it doesn't make any less sense than the notch that's too big for the camera alone - if you're going to have a screen cutout anyway you'd just as well bring the dynamic island functionality and FaceID across with it.
Face ID won’t be coming over because it offers no advantage over Touch ID.

Remember: on an iPhone/iPad, there is user intent when activating Face ID. That is, when you make a purchase or authenticate other important actions, you must still double-tap the side button to confirm that you wish to proceed, because of course Face ID has already authenticated that you are the user as the scanner is right in front of your face.

Touch ID actually makes this simpler because the authentication is made through fingerprint and the intent is made through the action of choosing to place the finger on the button; therefore the two are combined through one simple action.
 
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Face ID won’t be coming over because it offers no advantage over Touch ID.

Remember: on an iPhone/iPad, there is user intent when activating Face ID. That is, when you make a purchase or authenticate other important actions, you must still double-tap the side button to confirm that you wish to proceed, because of course Face ID has already authenticated that you are the user as the scanner is right in front of your face.

Touch ID actually makes this simpler because the authentication is made through fingerprint and the intent is made through the action of choosing to place the finger on the button; therefore the two are combined through one simple action.
It's better to have Face ID along with Touch ID so why not? Double security.
 

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It's better to have Face ID along with Touch ID so why not? Double security.

And while you would need to press a button to confirm your intent for something like purchases, you could offer a magical experience for logging into your Mac or use passwords without pressing anything.
 

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I can't say I would be a fan of the idea, if it involves intruding at all into the regular 16:10 area of display in physical manner. the Current notch I can deal with as regular aspect was not taken taken away. I just hope they don't move it down and try and convinve that 16:9 is fine for 'regular' non intruded aspect.
 
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I wonder if all the pop up menu prompts are going to go into the Mac DI like they did on iPhone. Failed to connect to iPad for sidecar? Shutdown/Cancel? And what will happen if you have it plugged into an external monitor with the external monitor set as the primary display... very curious...
 

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It's better to have Face ID along with Touch ID so why not? Double security.
But it’s not effective double security, because Apple has said that the chances of Face ID being spoofed are around 1:1,000,000, which is already ridiculously secure.

Even if that extra security was needed, Apple would have to justify adding it to the Mac and not iOS devices.

Plus, it’s extra expense on the product cost, and the thickness of the MacBook lid would need to be increased significantly. (The Face ID module on iPhone takes up almost the exact thickness of the device itself)
 

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And while you would need to press a button to confirm your intent for something like purchases, you could offer a magical experience for logging into your Mac or use passwords without pressing anything.
There no magical experience because, again, intent is required to unlock an iPhone with Face ID.

You choose to move the iPhone toward your face and it is pointing toward the camera; this is the first instance of intent and the phone is unlocked. But there is still a second instance which is the need to swipe up on the screen to actually ‘unlock’ the phone before it times out from the Lock Screen (5 seconds), and to get to the app screen.

This would be no different on a Mac, other than instead of swiping the screen you would need to press a button. Hence, Touch ID is already convenient.
 

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There no magical experience because, again, intent is required to unlock an iPhone with Face ID.

You choose to move the iPhone toward your face and it is pointing toward the camera; this is the first instance of intent and the phone is unlocked. But there is still a second instance which is the need to swipe up on the screen to actually ‘unlock’ the phone before it times out from the Lock Screen (5 seconds), and to get to the app screen.

This would be no different on a Mac, other than instead of swiping the screen you would need to press a button. Hence, Touch ID is already convenient.
Because Mac doesn’t have a notification page I don’t see why it would need confirmation to open. However my M1 MacBook takes about a second to register touchID so even if I could just open the lid and immediately press space it would be faster.
 

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Because Mac doesn’t have a notification page
It does, the Lock Screen.

However my M1 MacBook takes about a second to register touchID so even if I could just open the lid and immediately press space it would be faster.
This only reaffirms the original point; that for Face ID it would take at least a second to authenticate your face, and you would then require a secondary action for the intent, which is extra time. Touch ID combines both the authentication and intent in one single action.
 

zach-coleman

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It does, the Lock Screen.


This only reaffirms the original point; that for Face ID it would take at least a second to authenticate your face, and you would then require a secondary action for the intent, which is extra time. Touch ID combines both the authentication and intent in one single action.
You cannot access notifications iPhone without returning to the Lock Screen. When you pull down from the top you are going back to the Lock Screen. You can view them separately on Mac, they slide in over your desktop. Opening straight into your unlocked computer wouldn’t cause you to lose anything.

This only reaffirms the original point; that for Face ID it would take at least a second to authenticate your face, and you would then require a secondary action for the intent, which is extra time. Touch ID combines both the authentication and intent in one single action.
FaceID can begin working before the lid is all the way open it could scan your face as the lid is being opened. You can’t really use TouchID until the screen is all the way open. It could easily be faster.
 

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But it’s not effective double security, because Apple has said that the chances of Face ID being spoofed are around 1:1,000,000, which is already ridiculously secure.

Even if that extra security was needed, Apple would have to justify adding it to the Mac and not iOS devices.

Plus, it’s extra expense on the product cost, and the thickness of the MacBook lid would need to be increased significantly. (The Face ID module on iPhone takes up almost the exact thickness of the device itself)
Touch ID isn't really ideal for Mac. It's better with Face ID just like iPad Pro.

iPad Pro's Face ID already disagree. Already slim enough to fit in MBP's screen.
 

sunny5

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iPad Pro's Face ID is already slimmer than iPhone's so why not? Things are changing.
 

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And while you would need to press a button to confirm your intent for something like purchases, you could offer a magical experience for logging into your Mac or use passwords without pressing anything.
It makes logical sense for Macs to get Face ID for those reasons alone, and I'd be surprised if Apple haven't been working extremely hard to miniaturise the components further so they can fit them in the slimmest of screen enclosures.
 

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The Dynamic Island thing is… interesting, if true.

So you'd have the menu bar, and below that, an island? That seems silly. Plus, what would that island do that the top right portion of the menu bar (status items / menu extras) doesn't already do? Little notifications from widgets? You could stuff those over there.

The benefit would be that the menu bar would no longer be awkwardly split, especially in large apps like Xcode. But it seems to create more problems than solutions?

Face ID won’t be coming over because it offers no advantage over Touch ID.

A Mac is also more likely to be used at awkward angles*, with external displays, etc. Training Face ID to recognize you in all those angles sounds like an interesting engineering challenge, but is it really worth solving? (Try unlocking an iPhone while you don't look at it straight. While it's flat on the table, say.)

*) this is arguably also true for Touch ID. But in that case, your fingers still work the same. No need to change the ML model.

iPad Pro's Face ID already disagree. Already slim enough to fit in MBP's screen.

An iPad Pro is 3-4 times as thick as the lid of an MBP. That's also why an iPad has a much better camera than any MacBook.
 
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