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MacMall Carries HP Workstations

lowendlinux said:
Mac Mall has been around a long time and are good folks if they have something you need/want don't hesitate.
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Thanks, I was just curious more than anything. Would be cool to own a HPZ800/820/840, but I really have no use for one. I see that you own a Z600, how do you like it? If I did own one, I would probably throw Linux on there, as well.


BTW - here's a really cool in-depth look at the design and engineering that goes into these HP Z-Class workstations -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsrAkYZI7OM

BTW, and the end of the video a guy from HP compares an cMP to a Z820; yes, there are situations where the 820 is faster, however there was an article I remember reading where even though the 820 has more cores, the advantage of OS X allows the Mac Pro to actually be faster to MUCH faster in a few other tests, though only in a select few.
 
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As has been said, MacMall has been around since 1987. I haven't bought anything from them recently, but I have in the past with good success. I would not hesitate to recommend them.

Lou
 
^^^^OK - History here:

Its parent company PC Mall, started out as a mail-order catalog company in 1987 at Marina del Rey, CA in the residence of its co-founders brothers Sam and Frank Khulusi. Started out under the name "Creative Computers" before changing it to its current name PC Mall, was the number one mail-order reseller of Amiga computers from Commodore International until its closure on April 1994. The closure of Commodore didn't come too rough as the company obtained authorization to sell Apple computers early that year. With the new partnership and much optimism, the company moved to a 35,000 sq ft (3,300 m2) distribution center with 15,000 sq ft (1,400 m2) of office space. In the first quarter of 1995, the company filed for initial public offering(IPO) and went public in April 1995. After a year of robust growth, the company launched the website MacMall.com to add to its already-burgeoning sales.
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Lou
 
At the end of the video I linked, a guy from HP compares the 820 to a CMP, with the 820 being faster in a few tests, though an article I read where a guy who owned a CMP was looking at other workstations, wrote that the CMP, with fewer cores, ran faster to MUCH faster in a few tests vs. the 820, due to OS X.
 
Tucom said:
At the end of the video I linked, a guy from HP compares the 820 to a CMP, with the 820 being faster in a few tests, though an article I read where a guy who owned a CMP was looking at other workstations, wrote that the CMP, with fewer cores, ran faster to MUCH faster in a few tests vs. the 820, due to OS X.
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No offense, but without qualifying your comments about "OSX making it faster" with actual info, then it just comes off as nonsense.
 
Tucom said:
At the end of the video I linked, a guy from HP compares the 820 to a CMP, with the 820 being faster in a few tests, though an article I read where a guy who owned a CMP was looking at other workstations, wrote that the CMP, with fewer cores, ran faster to MUCH faster in a few tests vs. the 820, due to OS X.
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What's an "820"? That number doesn't tell me anything about the system configuration. Neither does 'nMP'
 
Tucom said:
Thanks, I was just curious more than anything. Would be cool to own a HPZ800/820/840, but I really have no use for one. I see that you own a Z600, how do you like it? If I did own one, I would probably throw Linux on there, as well.


BTW - here's a really cool in-depth look at the design and engineering that goes into these HP Z-Class workstations -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsrAkYZI7OM

BTW, and the end of the video a guy from HP compares an cMP to a Z820; yes, there are situations where the 820 is faster, however there was an article I remember reading where even though the 820 has more cores, the advantage of OS X allows the Mac Pro to actually be faster to MUCH faster in a few other tests, though only in a select few.
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I like my z600 a great deal it's every bit as quiet well constructed and my Mac Pro. While nothing get close to as clean inside as the MP the HP comes pretty close. It's large drawback is it only has space for two hard drives which would be a deal killer for many, but it is smaller than the Mac Pro by quite a bit. For me it's close to perfect and when the time comes to replace it, it'll be replaced with another Z6xx.
 
EdDuPlessis said:
What's an "820"? That number doesn't tell me anything about the system configuration. Neither does 'nMP'
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An 820 is a dual socket large workstation with IvyBridge-EP CPUs (like the MP6,1). The 840 is a dual socket large workstation with Haswell-EP CPUs (no comparable Apple system). Other than that detail, they are almost identical.

Your point is well taken, however, since an 820 can have from4 cores to 24 cores, and 4GiB of RAM to 512GiB. One would hope that these comparisons are with comparable configurations (where either config or price is closely matched).

Here HP has a fair comparison - one system priced like the MP6,1 - but much more powerful. A second system is closer to the MP6,1 in specs, but much less expensive.
 

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EdDuPlessis said:
What's an "820"? That number doesn't tell me anything about the system configuration. Neither does 'nMP'
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Are you trolling or just trying to be annoying?

A.) I never said "nMP" - so fail one, there.

B.) You should have been able to infer that the only thing that matters was that with fewer cores, an older Mac Pro was faster in a few Photoshop tests than a higher spec'd 820. Nothing else. If you need to know more, feel free to Google for the article. It was a while ago that I read about it.

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handsome pete said:
No offense, but without qualifying your comments about "OSX making it faster" with actual info, then it just comes off as nonsense.
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Feel free to Google it. I don't make up "nonsense."

It was an article that I read a while ago where a guy was testing other workstations from Dell and HP to possibly replace his Mac Pro/see how they compared. Mentioned the architecture of OS X allowing some Adobe products, namely Photoshop, to run considerably faster on OS X on a lesser spec'd Mac Pro than on a HP Z820 running Windows.
 
Tucom said:
Are you trolling or just trying to be annoying?

A.) I never said "nMP" - so fail one, there.

B.) You should have been able to infer that the only thing that matters was that with fewer cores, an older Mac Pro was faster in a few Photoshop tests than a higher spec'd 820. Nothing else. If you need to know more, feel free to Google for the article. It was a while ago that I read about it.

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Feel free to Google it. I don't make up "nonsense."

It was an article that I read a while ago where a guy was testing other workstations from Dell and HP to possibly replace his Mac Pro/see how they compared. Mentioned the architecture of OS X allowing some Adobe products, namely Photoshop, to run considerably faster on OS X on a lesser spec'd Mac Pro than on a HP Z820 running Windows.
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Again, without qualifying it with actual information, then it is just nonsense. if you want anyone to take it seriously, then don't make a vague comment and tell us to go google it for you.
 
handsome pete said:
Again, without qualifying it with actual information, then it is just nonsense. if you want anyone to take it seriously, then don't make a vague comment and tell us to go google it for you.
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Just because I didn't link the article itself, which EXISTS out there, doesn't make it any less true, nor make it "nonsense". It wasn't vague. It was literally what was found to be true.

Again, I don't make up "nonsense". Don't speak for everyone, only yourself. I told you what the article was about, so you can Google it if you wish.


But w/e, I'm not going to go on about it.
 
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Tucom said:
Just because I didn't link the article itself, which EXISTS out there, doesn't make it any less true, nor make it "nonsense". It wasn't vague. It was literally what was found to be true.

Again, I don't make up "nonsense". Don't speak for everyone, only yourself. I told you what the article was about, so you can Google it if you wish.


But w/e, I'm not going to go on about it.
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Look, I'm not trying to start a fight here, but if you bring a vague point to the conversation and tell people to go look it up for themselves for proof, then your comment is just going to be dismissed. Yes, it was vague. You said you remembered it from an article you had read. Remembered what? You added later it was a photoshop test. Ok, what was involved in the test? What hardware? That's the very definition of vague. Oh, that's right, we should have looked it up on our own though.
 
AidenShaw said:
An 820 is a dual socket large workstation with IvyBridge-EP CPUs (like the MP6,1). The 840 is a dual socket large workstation with Haswell-EP CPUs (no comparable Apple system). Other than that detail, they are almost identical.

Your point is well taken, however, since an 820 can have from4 cores to 24 cores, and 4GiB of RAM to 512GiB. One would hope that these comparisons are with comparable configurations (where either config or price is closely matched).

Here HP has a fair comparison - one system priced like the MP6,1 - but much more powerful. A second system is closer to the MP6,1 in specs, but much less expensive.
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The Z820 listed in that attachment actually has an 8-core for $2499. It does NOT have a 24-core.

Here's the 24-core version :

http://www.macmall.com/p/HP-Workstations/product~dpno~13008424~pdp.igcbaha

It's $9300

;)
 
Peace said:
The Z820 listed in that attachment actually has an 8-core for $2499. It does NOT have a 24-core.

Here's the 24-core version :

http://www.macmall.com/p/HP-Workstations/product~dpno~13008424~pdp.igcbaha

It's $9300

;)
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Are you surprised that a 24-core system costs more than an 8-core system?

Anyone reading that should immediately realize that the top row is the entry price, and the table is the max possible. The phrase "starting at" should have been a clue. (Like really, does the $2999 MP6,1 have 12 cores, 64 GiB and 1 TB as shown in the table - no, that config is $8599.)
 
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handsome pete said:
Look, I'm not trying to start a fight here, but if you bring a vague point to the conversation and tell people to go look it up for themselves for proof, then your comment is just going to be dismissed. Yes, it was vague. You said you remembered it from an article you had read. Remembered what? You added later it was a photoshop test. Ok, what was involved in the test? What hardware? That's the very definition of vague. Oh, that's right, we should have looked it up on our own though.
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Perhaps I was too attacking and aggressive sounding and insistent upon the decision of the inclusion of the source. All I was saying is that the article is out there, so look it up if you want to know more. I merely relayed the basics of what was said in the article. But it was never "nonsense". Ever.
 
Tucom said:
Perhaps I was too attacking and aggressive sounding and insistent upon the decision of the inclusion of the source. All I was saying is that the article is out there, so look it up if you want to know more. I merely relayed the basics of what was said in the article. But it was never "nonsense". Ever.
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I Googled for it. Couldn't find it. Until you, or someone else produces it it's nonsense.
 
reco2011 said:
I Googled for it. Couldn't find it. Until you, or someone else produces it it's nonsense.
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Not only is your statement a fallacy, but it took less than a minute to find the article I once read a few years ago -

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/as-mac-pro-stagnates-pc-workstations-muscle-ahead/


For handsome_pete, check out page 5 - that is where all the data is about the tests. Again, didn't mean to sound too aggressive or attacking, which I know I did.

Take care.

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lowendlinux said:
I like my z600 a great deal it's every bit as quiet well constructed and my Mac Pro. While nothing get close to as clean inside as the MP the HP comes pretty close. It's large drawback is it only has space for two hard drives which would be a deal killer for many, but it is smaller than the Mac Pro by quite a bit. For me it's close to perfect and when the time comes to replace it, it'll be replaced with another Z6xx.
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Awesome man. How reliable have you found HP to be, especially in the high-end business side of things? I linked a video that shows in depth at their operations for their workstations. Check it out. Do you use Linux mainly for coding? And why do you use the distro that you use? What do you think of other distros?
 
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Tucom said:
Not only is your statement a fallacy, but it took less than a minute to find the article I once read a few years ago -

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/as-mac-pro-stagnates-pc-workstations-muscle-ahead/


For handsome_pete, check out page 5 - that is where all the data is about the tests. Again, didn't mean to sound too aggressive or attacking, which I know I did.

Take care.

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Awesome man. How reliable have you found HP to be, especially in the high-end business side of things? I linked a video that shows in depth at their operations for their workstations. Check it out. Do you use Linux mainly for coding? And why do you use the distro that you use? What do you think of other distros?
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It's a Blender, Cinelerra and light Ps box, I got it from work at the end of lease. It's been going everyday since 2009 so it is dependable. I came as an 8 core but a few months back I put some hex's in it and I'll continue to use it until it can't be repaired. I use Arch in just about everything so that's what it runs. It's just a nice computer that's nice to look at and rarely needs futzing with.
 
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reco2011 said:
Yes, I am a genius. I got you to provide the requested information did I not?
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Lol.

The only thing you brilliantly proved is that you don't know how to Google. Good thing you're a genius though, I'm sure you'll figure it out one day :rolleyes:


You're done, I'm done.


For those that actually had something to contribute, thanks.
 
Tucom said:
Lol.

The only thing you brilliantly proved is that you don't know how to Google.
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More like I know how to manipulate you into do my bidding (which really was doing what you should have done in the first place). No matter how you try and spin it I got the results I sought from you.

With that said you knew what you were looking for. All I had to work with was some vague reference to a Mac HP comparison. Much easier to look for something when you know what you're looking for...wouldn't you say>
 
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