macOS High Sierra 10.13 Works/Does Not Work Thread

[phastphil]

Mac Mail issue
[doublepost=1533839353][/doublepost]Running 10.13.6 , 3,1 MacPro, all appears ok, but in MacMail the fist character is not capitalized. I do have the settings enabled in System Pref /keyboard/text. Anyone else with this issue? Any suggestions ? This does work normally on my MacBook running 10.13.6

 

[stevenaaus]

That's because Apple is not nearly as good as they once were at adequately testing their OS before release. That Apple broke MS Office a few years back is an example of Apple's dereliction. When you release something that breaks, arguably, the most prevalent productivity application, then you're not doing something right. I place blame on the yearly cycle. An OS is not a piece of art, but rather, a mere tool that ought maintain reasonable compatibility with its application base.

High Sierra just crawls on all the 2011 macbook pros i've tried. It also runs fairly slow on the 2012 pros.
Apple are really trying my patience. macOS has so many bugs too. Might be the beginning of the end for me with Macs. Shame to throw away a great desktop operating system just for the sake of streamlining it with a phone OS, for kris-sakes.
[doublepost=1535020299][/doublepost]I have a few friends who have big internet bills because of broken Mail app too.
This was very disconcerting for them, and took ages to track down.

 

[Coloratura]

I'm running High Sierra on my early 2009 iMac, having just upgraded from El Capitan, and it has received a significant boost in performance. I was worried about not getting security updates once Mojave was released in September (I'm assuming it will be released then), and so I was going to try and upgrade to Sierra, and someone (I forget who) said I should jump straight to High Sierra instead, because it works better with old hardware than Sierra, and I figured why not?

So I backed everything up, and used a patcher. I know it's not officially supported, so I did this at my own risk, but I can say on my end that everything seems to be working without a hitch. The 8 GB of RAM is likely what's helping that work so well.

There's no way in Hades I'm going to attempt the jump to Mojave, that would really be pushing it, but now I know I can safely keep using my iMac, and receive those security updates, as I save up for a much newer machine in the next year or so.

Now I'm not saying anyone with an early 2009 iMac should do the upgrade, just that for me it seems to have worked out quite well. So far, no bugs. Wireless works, printers work, USB ports work, everything loads just fine. In fact, one of the games I was playing before feels a little smoother this time around, though not by much considering the dismal (by comparison to modern) graphics card I have. Still, I'm rather pleased with how this has turned out. It makes me look forward to when I can have the better hardware to really support the later operating systems.

 

[TimothyR734]

I have mid 2009 iMac and I did a clean install of macOS Mojave if you like the performance of High Sierra with Mojave its much snappier don't get me wrong High Sierra is good the only con is light mode has glitches but darn mode is very nice

 

[gugy]

Hi, my MacPro 2011 won’t restart or shut down.
I have High Sierra and can’t install the latest update. My Mac Pro won’t accept upgrade to Mojave because my GPU is not supported so I have to stick to High Sierra.
I have boot in safe mode, reset the PRAM and unplugged from the wall. Can’t get it to work. Everyday, I need to hold the power button to turn it off.

Any recommendations?
I’m considering reinstalling the OS.
I’m certain it’s an OS issue. I was able to shut down using an USB recover drive stick but when I use the Computer OS, it won’t work.
Thanks

 

[mia-rafael]

wow we had the same issue here in our military base, un plug it for 2 mins to drain any blah power then re plug it into the wall and try again

 

[gugy]

wow we had the same issue here in our military base, un plug it for 2 mins to drain any blah power then re plug it into the wall and try again

Tried this already. Did not work.

 

[astunkel]

I'm using a 2012 15" MacBook Pro. Today, I upgraded to 10.13.6. During the reboot of the machine, the computer had a beep, but it did finish the install and restart. All seemed to be fine, but it now says the battery needs to be serviced.

It did not say this prior to the update.

 

[Sciuriware]

I'm using a 2012 15" MacBook Pro. Today, I upgraded to 10.13.6. During the reboot of the machine, the computer had a beep, but it did finish the install and restart. All seemed to be fine, but it now says the battery needs to be serviced.

It did not say this prior to the update.

I was told that the new software is more critical about battery quality.
If it loses charge too quickly, have it replaced. A 2012 MacBook should have a way longer lifetime than 6 years.
;JOOP!

 

[Tozovac]

Just updated the Wiki first post. Got Logic Express 9.1.8 to work (I hope) following these instructions:

https://discussions.apple.com/article/HT207786

Now it doesn't crash upon opening, starting a new file, recording, playing, etc.

 

[pijnxiii]

Things 3 returns an error message quite often when quitting the application.
The Interface is very slow and sluggish animations on a rMBP 13 inch 2015 - feels like there is not graphically accelerated.
Safari - opens slow
CleanMyMac 3 - not working - probably waiting for Beta to come out
Boxy works
YakYak - works
DayOne2 - works
iMessage Cloud Synch does not work yet - maybe it will if I install ios11 on my phone which I don't plan to
Fantastical 2 - works

TunnelBlick - not working
Photos - crashes once in a while

Mac is running hotter then previously.

I got extra 12 GB after the upgrade - not really sure how?...

what to do with photos app

 

[mia-rafael]

what to do with photos app

clean my mac is the joker if you ask me, you give this app root access and your doomed

 

[DocoBob]

clean my mac is the joker if you ask me, you give this app root access and your doomed

I know! Its very suspicious so I am sure that You Are Right!

 

[anahata]

Anybody check out Adobe Acrobat Pro V11.0.22 yet?

Lou

Is there an answer to this question? Apologies. I know that it's an ancient thread here.

 

[Alex5580]

I tried running the installer I keep getting this

 

[CoastalOR]

I tried running the installer I keep getting this

High Sierra can not be installed.

 

[Alex5580]

High Sierra can not be installed.

Even when I’m using the dosdude patcher?

 

[SAKart]

THIS IS A WIKI ARTICLE. YOU MAY EDIT IT BY CLICKING THE EDIT BUTTON NEAR THE END OF THIS POST...

Please make edits and comment if you experience a different result from someone else who has listed an app that works/does not work.

PLEASE KEEP IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

Untested

• Bias Peak Pro 7
• Quicken 2007
• Steinberg Cubase Pro 9
• TechTool Pro 9.0 & 9.5
• Toast 14
• VMware Fusion 7.1.3

Works

• 1Password 6.8+
• 2Do (v 2.3.7)
  • Updated to fix black screen
• 4D
• Adguard (v 1.4.1)
• Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
• Adobe CS5
  • Photoshop
  • Dreamweaver
• Adobe CS6
  • Photoshop
  • Dreamweaver (with Legacy Java installed first)
  • Fireworks
• Adobe CS6 Suite (with legacy Java installed first)
• Adobe CC 2017
  • Dreamweaver
  • Lightroom
  • Photoshop
  • InDesign
• Adobe Photoshop Elements 10
• Affinity Photo
• Airmail 3
• Alarm Clock (Robbie Hanson's, v.2.4.5)
• Alfred v3.4.1(860) (power tools untested)
• Alfred 3.5
• Aperture (
  • Issue: has some problems importing Canon 5D Mk2 RAW files in PB2?
  • Issue: with full screen mode where pointer-following metadata preview box stays displayed leaving trail of subsequent boxes following mouse pointer.
• Arq (v 5.8.5)
• ATOMIC 1.0.2
• Avast Mac Security 2016 (v 12.7)
• Avid ProTools (v 12.8)
  • Tested: installer, start-up, replay of up to 7-two channel tracks with one Master-fader track and busses linked to one record Stereo track. Everything else not yet tested
• Autodesk Fusion 360 (fixed in PB2)
• Amazon Music (v 5.6.2)
• Banktivity Version 6.2 (77)
• Bartender
  • Issues: Works only with SIP disabled, but does not hide the notification center
  • Runs but is non-functional.
  • V3 fixes all issues, but has slightly different behaviour.
• Base (v 2.4.12 (2113))
• Battle.net
• BBEdit
• Bear
• BetterTouchTool (v 2.2.3)
• Blackmagic Disk Speed Test
• Blogo
• Box Sync
  • Issues: Works on drives upgraded from HFS+ to APFS and HFS+ drives, but does not work if initially installed on an APFS drive
• BusyCal
• BusyContacts
• CalcVerter
• Calibre (v 3.2.0)
• Carbon Copy Cloner
  • Issues: Warning about possible incompatibility, ver 5.0.3 works
• cDock (0.12.2)
• Chatty
• CHM View
• Cisco AnyConnect
• Cisco Jabber (v 12.8.1)
• Cities Skylines
• Citrix Receiver (v 12.5.0)
• Coda (v 2.6.6)
• Canon Digital Photo Professional 4 (v 4.6.10)
• Canon EOS Utility 3 (v 3.6.11)
• Canon EOS Utility 2 (v 2.14.31)
• Canon MP Navigator EX (v 3.1.5)
• Capture One Pro 10.1.26
• ClamXAV (v 2.14)
• CleanMyMac (v 3.9 Beta 1)
• Coconut Battery (v 3.6.3)
• CodeWeavers CrossOver 16.2.5
• ControlPane
• Continuity Activation Toolkit
• CoverFlow (RC1.2)
  • Issues: Same as on Sierra:
    • Crashes when exiting app's custom full screen mode (the one provided by the system works fine though)
    • May crash while scanning albums
• CrashPlan
• CrossOver 16
• Cyberduck
• Day One 2 (v 2.3.4)
• Dash for Mac (v 4.04)
• DefaultFolder X beta 5.1.6b2
• Deliveries 3.05
• Discord
  • Issues: Same problem as Slack - top of screen is cut off in windowDoomnseeker
• Doomseeker
• Dorico
• Dropbox
• EagleFiler (v 1.8b4)
• EasyFind (does not support fast search on APFS, but Find Any File does)
• Eclipse 4.8M3a
• Etcher
• EtreCheck (v 3.4.4)
• Evernote
• Fantastical
• FastScripts (v 2.6.11)
• FileMaker Pro 16
• FileZilla 3.29.0
• Final Cut Pro X
• Final Draft 10
• Find Any File (current beta version supports fast search on APFS)
• Firefox 56.0.2
• F.lux
• Folx Download Manager
• Forecast Bar (with public beta 2, and app preferences now working)
• ForkLift (v 2.6.6 (680))
• FruitJuice (v 2.3.2)
• gfxCardStatus (v 2.4.4i - note: this is a fork from the original - link here: https://github.com/steveschow/gfxCardStatus/releases)
• GarageBand 3rd Party Plugins (Have an orange "!" over their names when loaded as Audio Units)
• Garmin Basecamp 4.6.3
• GIMP
• GitHub Desktop (Native, Build 223)
• GitHub Desktop (Electron, Version 0.7.2)
• Go2Shell (v 1.2.2 - from App. Store)
• Google Chrome
• Google Drive
  • Issues: Works on drives upgraded from HFS+ to APFS and HFS+ drives, but does not work if initially installed on an APFS drive
  • 8th Sept: Google drive is replaced by "Backup & Sync" which works on APFS
• GoToAssist
• Guitar Pro 7
• Handbrake
• Hazel (v 4.1.3)
• HipChat (works on ß4)
• HomeInventory (v 3.7.0)
• HP Laserjet 1012 (stock drivers)
• Hyperdock 1.7
• iA Writer (v 4.0.3)
• iBackup (v 3.1)
• IBM Notes 9.0.1
• iClip
• iFlicks 2
• iHeart Radio
• Intel Power Gadget (v 3.0.3)
• iPartition v3.4.5
• iPhoto (v9.6.1)
• iStat Menus
• iStat Mini
• iStat Pro
• iTerm 2
• iWeb 3.04
• Java (SDK/JRE) 9.0.1
• JPEGmini Pro
• Jump Desktop
  • Issues: Works but if using iCloud sync, go into sync folder and download all jump files first
• Keka
• KeePassX 0.4.4
• Kodi
• LastPass
• LaunchPad Manager (v 1.0.7)
• Leaf RSS Reader
• Letter Opener for macOS Mail - beta works. Get it here.
• LibreOffice 4.5.3
• LightCapture
• Liteicon version 3.8.1 works
• LittleSnitch (v 4.0.3)
• Logic Pro X but no 'visible' text in the 'save as' window)
• Logic Express 9.1.8 using this link from apple (disable iCloud drive from Finder search)
• LogMeIn Client
• MacVim 8.0.1272
• Magnet
• Malwarebytes (3.0.3.433)
• MAMP Pro
  • Issues: Minor Performance Issues
• MeisterTask
• Microsoft Excel 2016
• Microsoft Office Suite 2011
• Microsoft OneDrive (working again as of DP3)
• Microsoft OneNote 2016 (works for me in v15.39. Issue using copy/paste. Unable to use TextExpander)
  • Issues: No Longer Working
    • See Page 6 of this thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-not-work-thread.2048660/page-6#post-24723172)
• Microsoft Outlook 2016 (v 15.35+)
• Microsoft PowerPoint 2016
• Microsoft Remote Desktop
• Microsoft Word (v15.38)
• Minitube 2.8
• Monity (Did not work in PB1)
• Moneydance (2017.5 b 1639) HS solves long running print problem.
• Moom (3.2.8)
• MP3 Trimmer
• NetSpot
• News Explorer
• Nisus Writer Pro
• NordVPN
• Notability
• OmniGraffle
• OmniFocus
• OmniOutliner
• On1 Photos Raw 2017
  • Issues:Works in standalone but not as extension to Photos
• Onyx ver. 3.36
• Opera
• Opera Neon
• Outside
• Pacifist 3 (v 3.5.12)
• Path Finder (7.6b1)
• PDF Expert
• Paperless (v 2.3.9)
• Paprika
• Paragon NTFS For Mac 15
• Parallels Desktop 11
• Parallels Desktop 12
  • Issues:
    • GUI / Minor Performance issues only
    • Unable to select Allow in System Preferences > Security & Privacy to installI
• Parallels Desktop 13
• Parcel
• PCalc
• PCS60 (SpliceCom phone software)
• PDFPen Pro 9
• PDFScanner (v 1.11.7 - Beta 2)
• Peak hour
• PHPStorm 2016.2 and 2017.1
• Pixelmator
• Plantronics Hub (v 3.9.2)
• Pocket
• PopClip (v 1.5.7)
• Private Internet Access
  • Must upgrade client to newest version. (currently v72)
• qbittorrent (v 3.3.14)
• QuickBooks Online
• Quicken 2017
• Quicksilver
• QuickSleep
• Quicktime (latest version) — works intermittently: recorded screencasts periodically fail to stop and cannot be saved
• QuickTime Pro 7
• Quip
• RapidWeaver 7
• Reeder (v 3.0.5)
• Remote Buddy
• RingCentral for Mac
• Robert-Collins French English Dictionary 2016 (v 3.0.1)
• ScanSnap Manager by Fujitsu
• Scapple
• Script Debugger
• Scrivener 2.8.1.2. *Despite other reports that it does not work, user cdcastillo confirms it is working*
• Shimo VPN
• Sigma Photo Pro V5.5.3
• Silverfast 8.8 (Scan Software with individual "custom" versions for each scanner model and type and not compatible with any other, even from the same brand!) works OK (according to their own information)
• SketchUp Pro 2017
• Skim 1.4.30
• Slack
  • Issues: Top of screen is cut off in window
• Sequel Pro 1.1.2
• Skitch (v 1.0.12)
• Skype 7.58
• smcFanControl 2.6
• Snagit
• Simplify3D (fixed: completely remove and reinstall the app.)
• Sonos Controller For Mac (v 7.4)
• Snapz Pro X v2.6.1
• SpamSieve (v 2.9.29b4)
• Spark
• Spotify
  • Issues: 'Traffic lights' invisible (fixed in PB2)
• Steam
• Storyist (v 3.4.3)
• Subler (v 1.3.3)
• Superduper 3.0
• Team Viewer (v 12.0.82953) - it want's to add a helper to let you remote into your own Mac, if you skip over this the app will crash, just let it do it and everything runs fine afterwards
• Telegram
• TextExpander
• Textual 6 (v 6.0.10 stable, v 6.1.0 beta)
• TextWrangler
• Timing v1.8.1 should work according to author. There is a new v.2 for HS as well
• Transmission
• Twitch App
• The Clock 3.1
• The Unarchiver
• Things 3 (v 3.1)
• Thoth
• Thunderbird 52.4.0
• Toast Titanium 15.1
• Todoist 7.0.2 (Widget does not work in Notification Center)
• TorGuard
• Total Finder (v 1.9.7)
  • Issues: Except for Visor
• Transmit
• TunnelBear (v 3.0.14)
• Tunnelblock (v 3.7.2 beta 02)
• Tweetbot
• Twitter
• Ulysses 2 (v 2.8.2)
• Unibox
• Unity 5.6
• uTorrent
  • Issues: Only works on DP1 & DP2; PB1. Instantly crashes on DP3. Works again on DP4.
• Viber 6.9.5
• VirtualBox v5.1.28 r117968
• VLC (v 2.2.5.1)
• VMware Fusion Pro (v 8.5.7)
  • Tested with Boot Camp Win 10 Pro x64
• VMWare Fusion Pro (v 8.5.8)
  • Works perfectly running Windows Pro 10, under macOS PB 10.13
• VMWare Horizon Client (4.6.0)
• VNC Viewer v6.0.1
• Vuze (v 5.3.0.0) [version before forced ads]
  • Issues: slight beach-ball delay in GUI responsiveness)
• Wacom Tablet Driver 6.3.24–1 ("Latest Drivers" Version released 8/31/2017 — Requires permissions granted in System Preferences> Security & Privacy)
• World of Warcraft 1.12.1
  • Need to press Cmd-M a couple of times if using a Retina machine
• Yoink 3.3
• Yojimbo (v 4.0.4)
• Yummy FTP Pro (v 1.11.14)
• Zoho Notebook
  • Version 2.0 fixes crashes
• VOX Music Player
• Zandronum (3.0-alpha-r170625-1906M)

Does Not Work

• 2Do 2.3.6
  • (Loads to a Black Screen)
• Adobe Illustrator CC (and Earlier)
  • Installation and launch errors on APFS. No workaround.
• Adobe Photoshop CS4 (11.0.2)
  • (Save file dialogue box is garbled)
• Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5.7
  • "An error occurred while trying to change modules" - no photos accessible or visible
  • Getting random crashes in Develop and Print modules. If happens just after I select a menu item. I have to reboot M/C to get it to clear for a while. Now tried deleting Pref file to see if anything changes.
  • then crash after a minute [this and previous, 2012 iMac; NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M]
    • FIXED! by deleting plist from Library Preferences (seems like this is rare problem)
• Autodesk AutoCAD 2017
  • Won't install on an APFS system
• Camouflage
• Circus Ponies Notebook
  • crashes after a few seconds
• Civilization V
  • menus work, crashes creating/loading game
• DiskWarrior 5.0
  • can not see APFS drives, but works on older format drives. The new 5.1 version "partially" works seeing, but still not able to rebuild APFS volumes. The future 5.2 (no info yet when available) should finally be able to rebuild APFS volume (Information of the makers)
• Diablo III
  • on some GPUs mouse problems on fullscreen
  • playable for a limited time on older GPUs then myriad rendering problems
  • affected by other programmes running Flash
• Duet
• Eazydraw 8
  • won't launch, silently quits)
• Fiery driver for Canon imagePass B2 Fiery board
  • for ImageRUNNER Advanced printers
• GoToMeeting 8.6
  • Launches, displays error, and then locks up.) me too...
• GPGsuite 2017.1 (GPGmail)
• iDisplay
• iFileX 1.3.1
  • Find Any File is very similar and works, see website
• Letter Opener for macOS Mail 9.1.7
  • But beta works. See here.
• Line 6 -
  • Pod Farm 2 Sound plugins are disabled/not supported in Logic Pro or Garageband
• LittleSnitch 3.7.4 (v 3.8 or 4.0.3 OK)
• LogMeIn Rescue and anything that uses CodeWeavers CrossOver
• Luminar
  • graphical issues, and many buttons don't work
• MachineProfil 1.2.2
• Mailbutler Mail.app Addon
  • (Working Version in Beta)
• Mailplane 3
• MakeMKV 1.10.6
  • displays a fatal error program will now exit, then exits
• Microsoft OneNote
• • switch to early build for working version
• Mindnode
  • major display issues
• MonthlyCal (Notification Center extension)
• NetNewsWire 4.03
  • (slow to open, then a black window)
• OmniDiskSweeper
  • (Deprecated)
• Omnigraffle 5
  • (crashes on launch)
• Osirix App 3.9.4
  • (crashes on launch)
• Pages '09
  • (some fonts don't display properly)
• Papers 3.4.10
  • (crashing when editing metadata, or when searching by author)
• Paragon NTFS 15 Preview (15.0.911 OK)
• Path Finder (7.5)
  • Spinning Beachball of Death
• PDF Expert crashes when annotating
• PowerPhotos 1.2.3
  • (Error: Library must be upgraded from 2.0 to 3.0, despite it already being 3.0)
• Retrospect Client 14.1.0 (138)
  • 'No network connection" even though network works fine. Edit: Reboot fixed this
• Robert-Collins French English Dictionary 2015 (2.0.2)
• Scrivener (ver 2.8.1.2) ‡ (see notes directly below)
• Simple Floating Clock
  • non-starter
• Snood Plus V1.5 (cursor arrow in pixel box)
• Sophos AV
  • (Login items cause kernel panic at startup)
• SoftRAID 5.6.1
  • (Kernel panic, newest beta version should work)
• Swift Publisher 4
  • (crashes after New Document dialog)
• Swift Publisher 5
  • (UI doesn't resolve after New Document Dialog)
• TermHere 1.2.1(9)
  • (No updates yet. Checked on Sept. 25, 2017)
• TotalFinder 1.8.2
  • (Doesn't open at all)
• Trainerroad v1.0.0.x
  • (Doesn't open at all, asks to download some command line dev tools)
• Transmit Version 5.0 (45656)
  • (Crashes on activation of Panic Sync & periodically prompts to enter license after successfully licensing.)
• Ulysses 3
  • (crash on startup)
• VMware Fusion Pro
  • (Works for me with the latest update? —jessejarvi, works with v.8.5.8 for me which is latest -hexalellogram), doesn't work for me with 8.5.8 -drmito
• Winclone 6.0.1
  • (error stating it works under 10.12 or earlier only). 6.0.5 OK

**Promise SanLink 2 Thunderbolt 10gb Network interface unit no longer works (detected but no DHCP address received and manual configuration does not achieve network connectivity)

‡ Scrivener 2.8.1: Keith Blount (the developer of Scrivener) has said that Sierra *might* be the last version of macOS to run Scrivener 2.8.x, so it *might* never run on High Sierra.

Some members (e.g., cdcastillo) report the 2.8.1.2 DOES work on High Sierra

http://www.literatureandlatte.com/f...&sid=0218f70d1154e3c2acf373d1edd3f044#p234159

Scrivener 3 for macOS is ready for release (and has been since April 2017), but it is being held up by the wait to launch a compatible version of Scrivener 3 for Windows.

https://scrivener.tenderapp.com/hel...ompatibility-with-scrivener-for-windows-plans

CLICK EDIT RIGHT BELOW THIS TO MAKE CHANGES. YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN. IF YOU'RE USING AN IOS DEVICE, THE EDIT BUTTON IS LISTED UNDER TOOLS.

Mac Mini 2014, 3 GHz Intel Core i7, High Sierra, CS4 Master collection. Adobe Illustrator (14) & Photoshop (11). I haven't tested the other Master Collection applications. Type Styler 11.4, SuitCase Fusion 12.1.7, AccountEdge Pro 2018, TurboCad MAC Deluxe Pro 10.0.6.

 

[vorob]

Thank you for this list. I just bought MacBook Pro retina 2012 and now I am experimenting with High Sierra. Wanted to stay on this os, because of compatibility with 32 bit apps and games.

So far, I’m only bothered with video editing app, something simple and free that supports mkv files from obs and can encode with gf650m.

 

[Sciuriware]

Thank you for this list. I just bought MacBook Pro retina 2012 and now I am experimenting with High Sierra. Wanted to stay on this os, because of compatibility with 32 bit apps and games.

So far, I’m only bothered with video editing app, something simple and free that supports mkv files from obs and can encode with gf650m.

I think the best move is to rely on 3rd party software; on my old iMac that's the best solution.
;JOOP!

 

[vorob]

I've installed iMovie 10.1.12 and it works flawlessly with H.264, even in 4K. However, it struggles with HDR videos from my iPhone 13 Pro, as they appear overly bright.

 

[vorob]

As a primarily Windows user, I only use Mac for experimentation, as I enjoy exploring various tech devices and have a soft spot for retro tech. I've dabbled with the iBook from 2005, a MacBook with a Core 2 Duo processor from 2006, and now this Retina model from 2012 running High Sierra.

A common issue I've found with Apple computers is the challenge of finding suitable software. It seems that software, especially games, tends to work optimally for 2-3 OS upgrades before encountering compatibility issues due to changes made by Apple or simple software obsolescence.

The main challenge lies in the assumption made by both Apple and software developers that users are on the latest OS. This can make it difficult to find older versions of apps, even on developer pages or GitHub. Information about which OS versions are supported is often scarce, requiring users to search extensively or seek assistance from forums like this one. The same issue applies to the App Store, where although I can access it on High Sierra, I am often unable to install anything due to compatibility restrictions, even when the desired app is available.

On Windows, on the other hand, I can run software from XP or even 9x era in Win 11. I understand that this is quite extreme, and backwards compatibility is one of Microsoft's selling points for this OS; however, it's strange to see unsupported software on an operating system from 2017 that feels like it was just yesterday.

 

[EugW]

As a primarily Windows user, I only use Mac for experimentation, as I enjoy exploring various tech devices and have a soft spot for retro tech. I've dabbled with the iBook from 2005, a MacBook with a Core 2 Duo processor from 2006, and now this Retina model from 2012 running High Sierra.

A common issue I've found with Apple computers is the challenge of finding suitable software. It seems that software, especially games, tends to work optimally for 2-3 OS upgrades before encountering compatibility issues due to changes made by Apple or simple software obsolescence.

The main challenge lies in the assumption made by both Apple and software developers that users are on the latest OS. This can make it difficult to find older versions of apps, even on developer pages or GitHub. Information about which OS versions are supported is often scarce, requiring users to search extensively or seek assistance from forums like this one. The same issue applies to the App Store, where although I can access it on High Sierra, I am often unable to install anything due to compatibility restrictions, even when the desired app is available.

On Windows, on the other hand, I can run software from XP or even 9x era in Win 11. I understand that this is quite extreme, and backwards compatibility is one of Microsoft's selling points for this OS; however, it's strange to see unsupported software on an operating system from 2017 that feels like it was just yesterday.

What you say is all true, but for applications on the Mac App Store, you can also install older versions of the software on older versions of macOS. The difference though is I believe you need to already have it listed in your purchase history. You don't have to install it on the same machine though. I hope I'm not mis-remembering, but IIRC, as long as you're signed in with the same Apple ID, if it's in your history, you can install it on any Mac of that era.

IOW, if you got/bought some software back in the High Sierra days (or earlier) from the Mac App Store, even in 2024 you can install those old versions on High Sierra Macs, as long as you're signed in with the same Apple ID. However, you have to install it from your purchase history, not the main current app page.

OTOH, if it is not in your purchase history (like in your case where you are just dabbling with Macs occasionally), you may be out of luck.

 

[vorob]

Yo are completely right, if you had this app, you can install old version. But if you are new and using old OS, there will be only torrent way to find old apps

 

[MacBiter]

Yo are completely right, if you had this app, you can install old version. But if you are new and using old OS, there will be only torrent way to find old apps

Not so. I found an older version of Pages for High Sierra (v4 won't run there) on the Internet Archive, aka Wayback Machine. Just use the search field to see if what you want is there.

https://archive.org/details/software .