MP 1,1-5,1 MacPro5,1: BootROM thread | 144.0.0.0.0

[crjackson2134]

I'll check, but I'm on 10.13.6 which was working perfectly. It even popped up when we had the generic bootrom installed. That may have caused the issue since it was connected to the internet. I'm hoping it will correct itself with time, but I'll check other OS's and she what happens.

 

[h9826790]

I can't tell exactly when this changed, but I have all the previous full installers here and I'll check when Apple changed this.
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Not only RX470, but on other topic @Squuiid reported the same, with unflashed GTX1080.

This is an unexpected change. Hopefully it’s a byproduct when they trying to fix something, but not intentionally raise the hurdle for 10.14 installation.

If they really changed the METAL check algorithm, those old DP installer may become super important. We may able to use those installer to install the official release later. Or even simple replace the METAL checker by the old one.

Anyway, I wonder will the installer report any error if we remove the whole METAL checker. You know, sometimes those artificial restriction can be bypassed with some very stupid way.

also where are you running the full installer from? in your System profiler shot it looks like your in Mojave already

the installer may only be setup to properly check for metal video cards when run in 10.13.6.

in-fact one of the known issues in the DP7 release is (I wonder if that bug report number matches anyones bug report here? )

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Good point. This is totally possible.

I won’t be at home until Saturday, can’t test anything. But if anyone has the Sapphire PULSE RX580, may be just try to launch the DP7 full installer inside 10.14 beta and see if it can launch properly.

 

[tsialex]

Like with @LightBulbFun, no problem with HD7870 flashed with HD7950 Mac EFI.

 

[h9826790]

Any flashed 1080 user can confirm if their Mac can launch the DP7 full installer properly? Flowrider?

 

[tsialex]

I'll check, but I'm on 10.13.6 which was working perfectly. It even popped up when we had the generic bootrom installed. That may have caused the issue since it was connected to the internet. I'm hoping it will correct itself with time, but I'll check other OS's and she what happens.

I had sometime at lunch and did the same 138.0.0.0.0 personalising with my own MP BootROM, iCloud/iMessage/FaceTime working as nothing happened. So, it's a safe process - pending CAT troubles.

 

[handheldgames]

also where are you running the full installer from? in your System profiler shot it looks like your in Mojave already

the installer may only be setup to properly check for metal video cards when run in 10.13.6.

in-fact one of the known issues in the DP7 release is (I wonder if that bug report number matches anyones bug report here? )

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If that was your bug report? congrats!

On the 5,1/rx470, was upgraded from high sierra to b6 on Monday. Upgrading to b7 the Tuesday. Today, Wednesday, I downloaded the full b7 to be reinstalled / forcing the upgrade to EFI 0138.

I've run the upgrade process from Applications and Documents, generating the same error in finder or in terminal.

 

[h9826790]

If that was your bug report? congrats!

On the 5,1/rx470, was upgraded from high sierra to b6 on Monday. Upgrading to b7 the Tuesday. Today, Wednesday, I downloaded the full b7 to be reinstalled / forcing the upgrade to EFI 0138.

I've run the upgrade process from Applications and Documents, generating the same error in finder or in terminal.

So, no more High Sierra on your Mac?

 

[LightBulbFun]

If that was your bug report? congrats!

On the 5,1/rx470, was upgraded from high sierra to b6 on Monday. Upgrading to b7 the Tuesday. Today, Wednesday, I downloaded the full b7 to be reinstalled / forcing the upgrade to EFI 0138.

I've run the upgrade process from Applications and Documents, generating the same error in finder or in terminal.

nah thats not my bug report

the only 5,1 related bug report I have/had is the microcode one

as for the metal bug, try launching the DP7 installer from 10.13.6 and see if you run into the same issue?

 

[h9826790]

Like with @LightBulbFun, no problem with HD7870 flashed with HD7950 Mac EFI.View attachment 776129

Sorry, I am too lazy to search for the old post (especially I am just using my iPhone right now). Does the 10.14 give you the same METAL version for the 7870 as in 10.13?

From memory, the RX470’s METAL version will be upgraded in 10.14. That may be the difference.

If the METAL checker assume the installer will be ran in 10.13, and only check if the system info report something like METAL 1v3 is support (but can’t understand what is METAL 2v1 etc). This may cause the issue on the newer card, but not the older card.

 

[crjackson2134]

I had sometime at lunch and did the same 138.0.0.0.0 personalising with my own MP BootROM, iCloud/iMessage/FaceTime working as nothing happened. So, it's a safe process - pending CAT troubles.

It actually just started working in all OS versions. It prompted me again 2nd time today or each OS, to login to iCloud services.

After the 2nd time, on each OS, it just started on it's own. So problem solved.

Sending a PM for something else though...

 

[flowrider]

Any flashed 1080 user can confirm if their Mac can launch the DP7 full installer properly? Flowrider?

As reported in my earlier post, it did. But I chose to only install the updated FW. I did not install Mojave because there is no Web Driver for my MVC flashed card yet.

And, as I said earlier, this was reassuring for me.

Lou

 

[LightBulbFun]

Sorry, I am too lazy to search for the old post (especially I am just using my iPhone right now). Does the 10.14 give you the same METAL version for the 7870 as in 10.13?

From memory, the RX470’s METAL version will be upgraded in 10.14. That may be the difference.

If the METAL checker assume the installer will be ran in 10.13, and only check if the system info report something like METAL 1v3 is support (but can’t understand what is METAL 2v1 etc). This may cause the issue on the newer card, but not the older card.

AFAIK all officially supported AMD Cards in Mojave support Metal 2v1 (its been a few betas since Iv last booted Mojave on my MP5,1 but when I did my 7950 reported 2v1)

its just NVIDIA Kepler cards that have report Metal 1v4 in Mojave.

I suspect as you state, the Mojave installer App cant handle checking for metal support when running in mojave it self... I dont think anyone else here has run the DP7 installer from DP6 otherwise.

 

[tsialex]

Sorry, I am too lazy to search for the old post (especially I am just using my iPhone right now). Does the 10.14 give you the same METAL version for the 7870 as in 10.13?

From memory, the RX470’s METAL version will be upgraded in 10.14. That may be the difference.

If the METAL checker assume the installer will be ran in 10.13, and only check if the system info report something like METAL 1v3 is support (but can’t understand what is METAL 2v1 etc). This may cause the issue on the newer card, but not the older card.

If I’m remembering correctly 10.13.6 shows Metal Supported for HD7870 and family 1v3 for GTX 680. I’ll check that when I’m back home.

 

[Pavo]

AFAIK all officially supported AMD Cards in Mojave support Metal 2v1 (its been a few betas since Iv last booted Mojave on my MP5,1 but when I did my 7950 reported 2v1)

its just NVIDIA Kepler cards that have report Metal 1v4 in Mojave.

I suspect as you state, the Mojave installer App cant handle checking for metal support when running in mojave it self... I dont think anyone else here has run the DP7 installer from DP6 otherwise.

I ran the full installer from DP6 with RX480 installed and upgraded firmware and the macOS to DP7 without any issues.

 

[crjackson2134]

If I’m remembering correctly 10.13.6 shows Metal Supported for HD7870 and family 1v3 for GTX 680. I’ll check that when I’m back home.

That's what I get with the HD7970 as well. It only says "Supported" and no family level in the profiler report.

It's the same in 10.13.6 & 10.14

 

[h9826790]

As reported in my earlier post, it did. But I chose to only install the updated FW. I did not install Mojave because there is no Web Driver for my MVC flashed card yet.

And, as I said earlier, this was reassuring for me.

Lou

Oh, thanks and sorry, I completely forget that post. I actually read it and liked it

It’s interesting to know that even Mac EFI card won’t show the progress bar. It seems Apple simply take that part away from the firmware updater but not making it more capable.

 

[MriX]

That's what I get with the HD7970 as well. It only says "Supported" and no family level in the profiler report.

It's the same in 10.13.6 & 10.14

Same here with R9 280X. No Metal version shown, only with my old GTX680

 

[tsialex]

Oh, thanks and sorry, I completely forget that post. I actually read it and liked it

It’s interesting to know that even Mac EFI card won’t show the progress bar. It seems Apple simply take that part away from the firmware updater but not making it more capable.

The new capabilities are not related with that, the new firmware flasher can receive payloads from elsewhere.

 

[Matty_TypeR]

On my Sapphire pulse RX580 it says metal supported GPU family1v3 is that metal version 3?

 

[tsialex]

On my Sapphire pulse gtx580 it says metal supported GPU family1v3 is that metal version 3?

580? Fermi?

 

[Matty_TypeR]

sorry no RX580, used to have gtx 580 will edit

 

[h9826790]

The new capabilities are not related with that, the new firmware flasher can receive payloads from elsewhere.

I mean Apple make the new flasher more capable simply by removing the progress display ability completely (so now, even Mac EFI card won’t display the progress), but not making it can accept firmware flashing on top of the old flasher (which can display the progress with Mac EFI card).

Or this “no progress display issue” only exist on the MVC flashed card? Those Apple licensed card (e.g. HD7950 Mac Edition card) is not affected (still has progress display).

 

[tsialex]

I mean Apple make the new flasher more capable simply by removing the progress display ability completely (so now, even Mac EFI card won’t display the progress), but not making it can accept firmware flashing on top of the old flasher (which can display the progress with Mac EFI card).

Or this “no progress display issue” only exist on the MVC flashed card? Those Apple licensed card (e.g. HD7950 Mac Edition card) is not affected (still has progress display).

No, white screen with EFI and black screen without. They just removed the progress bar and the test for EFI support - the real changes are elsewhere.

 

[handheldgames]

The new capabilities are not related with that, the new firmware flasher can receive payloads from elsewhere.

Interesting, can it flash without holding the power button for an extended period of time at startup?

 

[tsialex]

Interesting, can it flash without holding the power button for an extended period of time at startup?

To my knowledge, not yet. I’ve investigated something else but it’s a NDA one.