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Well if you follow what happened with the 780 ROM it turns out all Mac ROMs past the 680 are made by him anyway so I guess it doesn't matter who you buy it from. I don't recommend those other people for other reasons such as the fact they are selling something that isn't theirs. It may not be illegal but it's not fair to the modder who put the ROMs out there.

The others are flashing same rom on all cards. As a result, fans are noisy, card is overheating, performance is horrible, specific ports are not working. In the worst case it's going to produce a brick and there is no magic BIOS switch on GTX cards to bring the original rom. Such cards will require soldering and chip transplant.

This is one of the victims: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rd-list-finally.2124795/page-17#post-26287231
 
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Well if you follow what happened with the 780 ROM it turns out all Mac ROMs past the 680 are made by him anyway so I guess it doesn't matter who you buy it from.

Well, you're right with the fact that you'll end up with an MVC ROM on an Nvidia GPU when buying from a random eBay seller, but it's most likely going to be an inferior product.

If one follows an advice like yours, chances are very high he'll end up with a buggy GPU thanks to the foreign VBIOS. There's a reason for the sheer endless number of ROM revisions on TechPowerUp, GPU vendors don't write them for fun. The only correct way is to attach the EFI binary to the card's own VBIOS.
 
It's pure speculation on my part, but MVC has been able to create UGA ROM's using older roms as a reference, so he/they maybe able to bypass this using a highly edited UGA rom.

These firmware checks wouldn't apply.

I don't really know why nVidia/AMD would want to prevent users from modding roms, as most cards are sold to crypto miners, and we want to lower voltage and raise clock rates in order to get the most MH/s at the lowest power usage. Maybe their board partners are seeing very high RMA's and raising noise with AMD/nVidia about modders returning too many cards.

My understanding is that only the VBIOS part cannot be modded. But the EFI part didn't affected. They still need to bypass some security measurement in the NV flasher to flash a ROM that has no proper signature. But the card will load the VBIOS part without any problem.
 
The others are flashing same rom on all cards. As a result, fans are noisy, card is overheating, performance is horrible, specific ports are not working. In the worst case it's going to produce a brick and there is no magic BIOS switch on GTX cards to bring the original rom. Such cards will require soldering and chip transplant.

This is one of the victims: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rd-list-finally.2124795/page-17#post-26287231
Well why did you take only part of my quote? I end the quote saying that it's a bad idea because their "DB"s.
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Well, you're right with the fact that you'll end up with an MVC ROM on an Nvidia GPU when buying from a random eBay seller, but it's most likely going to be an inferior product.

If one follows an advice like yours, chances are very high he'll end up with a buggy GPU thanks to the foreign VBIOS. There's a reason for the sheer endless number of ROM revisions on TechPowerUp, GPU vendors don't write them for fun. The only correct way is to attach the EFI binary to the card's own VBIOS.

Well, you're right with the fact that you'll end up with an MVC ROM on an Nvidia GPU when buying from a random eBay seller, but it's most likely going to be an inferior product.

If one follows an advice like yours, chances are very high he'll end up with a buggy GPU thanks to the foreign VBIOS. There's a reason for the sheer endless number of ROM revisions on TechPowerUp, GPU vendors don't write them for fun. The only correct way is to attach the EFI binary to the card's own VBIOS.
Well why would you only take part of my quote? I literally end it by saying it's a bad idea because those people are "DB"s. If your going to criticize something I say, please use the entire quote especially if your are trying to make it look like I'm encouraging giving business to people who steal.
 
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Boy, didn't expect this flurry of activity since I revived the thread...

This is probably resolved many months ago, so why is this thread bumped?
What pl1984 said. :) This is the thread to discuss MVC customer service (in a civil way). I didn't know he was banned from this forum, though.

Why not reply to one of his posts on Netkas.org. I’m sure he will respond quickly, for everyone to see.
Because I likely need personal (physical) service from him, and possibly resolve payment issues. I also happen to live in the same city, which makes it quite easy, if he was responsive. And I find it a bit ridiculous to need to post it in a public forum. 3 of his email addresses and a private message on netkas should be more than plenty to get his attention.
(He was plenty responsive via questions@ and orders@macvidcards.com until the purchase, and did respond to my private netkas message with "Hey, was out of town, will look for your email" - that was 2 weeks ago.) Thanks JeffreyA for the idea, I emailed him on his personal paypal email.


PS Everyone's needs vary. For me, a beefed-up cMP was a very good choice because I was able to source a 4,1 octocore (flashed to 5,1) and 2 Dell U2410 monitors pro-bono from clients, and for $650 extra got myself a workstation that serves my needs very well. (Though currently it's up to $1000 after having to buy a replacement GPU...)
I really prefer having an EFI, CUDA-capable GPU and appreciate what MVC's been doing - also the reigning thought in the cMP-GPU community is "nothing but nVidia" - but that nonflashed AMD RX580 has been quite happy and stable.

(PSS Two years ago I threw away half a dozen Apple GT120's at a client that downsized. They sat in a cabinet for years and no one was gonna go through the hassle of eBaying each one for $20-$40. Still beating myself over that!)
 
I was attempting to communicate with MVC via his personal address. He never responded. I gave up a few months back, and replaced the (MVC flashed) 960 in the Mac Pro, and put the 1080 into a windows machine, which I've been using as my main CAD machine. I think Windows is fine for documents, email, even CAD, but still can't get used to software development under Windows--I much prefer my Mac for that. As it happens, I was eyeing some of the Ebay sellers of flashed cards over the past few days.
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A big, hearty Thank You for the image!

For those following the thread, I did send my proof of purchase. I think MVC, despite his terrible customer service and unreliability, does add value to the ecosystem, and I prefer to encourage his activies.
Given all the problems I've read about I wouldn't purchase anything from him.
 
Given all the problems I've read about I wouldn't purchase anything from him.
Well if you don't you will be kinda stuck with a GTX 680 or R9 280X as your fastest card if you want boot screens. You can of course buy off one of his competitors on ebay but expect quality to be hit or miss as all they are doing is flashing a dump of his ROM. I actually left one of those guys negative feedback recently for bad customer service.
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Well if you don't you will be kinda stuck with a GTX 680 or R9 280X as your fastest card if you want boot screens. You can of course buy off one of his competitors on ebay but expect quality to be hit or miss as all they are doing is flashing a dump of his ROM. I actually left one of those guys negative feedback recently for bad customer service.
Even though I have dumps for other cards now. I can't just send them since it would A be a dick move B I'm probably going to face another wave of fanboys harassing me. Maybe if MVC stopped offering to flash cards or sell them for whatever reason, I'd consider posting the 780 ROM again at least. But, until then I don't want him to be under the impression that I'm trying to cut down his business.
 
I bought my 4,1 back in 2011 because I feared Apple might discontinue the MacPro. I thought with the upgradability, it would last me a long time, and it has. Seven years and counting.

But I can't say I feel upgrading the CPU and GPU was amazing. The former (from 2.66 quad to 3.33 hex) only improves render/export times, otherwise I don't notice it much and the CPU runs a little hotter now according to iStats.

I threw a 5870 in there because the GT120 started spiking when I upgraded my DAW (Cubase 9), and it has helped a bit (although I suspect the issue was with the DAW) but again, otherwise I don't notice it much.

Frankly, I think maxing out memory and storage has been great, but on my next computer I wouldn't bother with the CPU and GPU. Everything works fine here, but is there a material difference? No, not really.

YMMV, of course. For me, however, I'd happily buy a new MacPro with limited expandability. As long as I can add memory, all good.
 
I bought my 4,1 back in 2011 because I feared Apple might discontinue the MacPro. I thought with the upgradability, it would last me a long time, and it has. Seven years and counting.

But I can't say I feel upgrading the CPU and GPU was amazing. The former (from 2.66 quad to 3.33 hex) only improves render/export times, otherwise I don't notice it much and the CPU runs a little hotter now according to iStats.

I threw a 5870 in there because the GT120 started spiking when I upgraded my DAW (Cubase 9), and it has helped a bit (although I suspect the issue was with the DAW) but again, otherwise I don't notice it much.

Frankly, I think maxing out memory and storage has been great, but on my next computer I wouldn't bother with the CPU and GPU. Everything works fine here, but is there a material difference? No, not really.

YMMV, of course. For me, however, I'd happily buy a new MacPro with limited expandability. As long as I can add memory, all good.

Well the forthcoming Mac Pro will surely support eGPU via the Thunderbolt 3 ports, so you'd still have the ability to use newer and faster GPUs.
 
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It's pure speculation on my part, but MVC has been able to create UGA ROM's using older roms as a reference, so he/they maybe able to bypass this using a highly edited UGA rom.

These firmware checks wouldn't apply.

Thats not how code signature checking works.

Modern peripherals will not run a BIOS that isn't signed with the vendor's code signing key. If you hack a bios, the code signature check will fail and it won't load.

The days of custom hacked firmware are over.


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actually, if the ROM (not bios) can be re-burned, then maybe. But i doubt it, moving forward.
 
Well why would you only take part of my quote? I literally end it by saying it's a bad idea because those people are "DB"s. If your going to criticize something I say, please use the entire quote especially if your are trying to make it look like I'm encouraging giving business to people who steal.

Because I was just talking about technical reasons which you forgot to mention. I understood your post as "it doesn't matter where you buy, you'll end up with exactly the same product", which isn't true.

I completely agree with the rest of that post. ;)
 
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Because I was just talking about technical reasons which you forgot to mention. I understood your post as "it doesn't matter where you buy, you'll end up with exactly the same product", which isn't true.

I completely agree with the rest of that post. ;)
Sorry for jumping the gun a bit there. As you may have noticed, I've been getting attacked for sharing my opinions on the internet. Fortunately, it seems the main culprit has been banned. I still do not agree with your post. Both MVC and ebay "pirates" are using the exact same ROM with likely the exact same flashing procedure. The only way I could see something going wrong is if an ebay pirate is flashing a ROM for an EVGA ICX card onto a ASUS Strix Card. If you flash for example a SC ICX ROM onto a FTW ICX card there is little chance for any ill effects other than a reduced base clock which you could correct via overclocking in Windows. For example, I have an MSI founders edition 1080ti. It is the exact same PCB as a Nvidia Founders edition. At stock, there is a slightly different bios on it to identify it as a MSI 1080ti (check techpowerup). I get my 1080ti back from MVC and guess what has a modded Nvidia Founders Edition bios (I poked around in GPUZ for a few minutes to figure that out). There was no ill effect of that other than the card not identifying itself as an MSI card. The cooler is the same,clock speeds are the same, and even the display out are. The point is that as long as they don't flash like a founders edition bios onto a icx card (which have different fan curves) there shouldn't be any ill effect and the end product is the exact same as MVC's. I still don't recommend buying from those people tho. They did still steal it even if it's not against the law for them to do so.
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Sorry for jumping the gun a bit there. As you may have noticed, I've been getting attacked for sharing my opinions on the internet. Fortunately, it seems the main culprit has been banned. I still do not agree with your post. Both MVC and ebay "pirates" are using the exact same ROM with likely the exact same flashing procedure. The only way I could see something going wrong is if an ebay pirate is flashing a ROM for an EVGA ICX card onto a ASUS Strix Card. If you flash for example a SC ICX ROM onto a FTW ICX card there is little chance for any ill effects other than a reduced base clock which you could correct via overclocking in Windows. For example, I have an MSI founders edition 1080ti. It is the exact same PCB as a Nvidia Founders edition. At stock, there is a slightly different bios on it to identify it as a MSI 1080ti (check techpowerup). I get my 1080ti back from MVC and guess what has a modded Nvidia Founders Edition bios (I poked around in GPUZ for a few minutes to figure that out). There was no ill effect of that other than the card not identifying itself as an MSI card. The cooler is the same,clock speeds are the same, and even the display out are. The point is that as long as they don't flash like a founders edition bios onto a icx card (which have different fan curves) there shouldn't be any ill effect and the end product is the exact same as MVC's. I still don't recommend buying from those people tho. They did still steal it even if it's not against the law for them to do so.
Also, I did read something about how if you have a buggy bios you need a new microsoldered eeprom. That is not the case. I could fix that in about 2 minutes with nvflash and a download of a known good dump off techpowerup.
Edit: I always type out eeprom as eprom which are technically two different things. Corrected it to prevent confusion.
 
Well if you don't you will be kinda stuck with a GTX 680 or R9 280X as your fastest card if you want boot screens. You can of course buy off one of his competitors on ebay but expect quality to be hit or miss as all they are doing is flashing a dump of his ROM. I actually left one of those guys negative feedback recently for bad customer service.
If I need something more capable then I would be using a PC. I see few reasons why I would remain using a Mac for work which requires something more capable. If Apple isn't interested in doing so why should I?
 
If I need something more capable then I would be using a PC. I see few reasons why I would remain using a Mac for work which requires something more capable. If Apple isn't interested in doing so why should I?
Well personally I don't do anything graphically intensive on MacOS. The graphic drivers and opengl support on macos is straight up garbage, in my opinion. The only reason why I even bother putting in a high end video in my MacPro is that I don't want two computers on my desk (I could just get a KVM switch) or make a hackintosh. I would probably be able to make one just fine. I just don't want to deal with the hassle of apple breaking it on every update or having to deal with the dozens of issues that community faces with drivers and stuff.
 
Well personally I don't do anything graphically intensive on MacOS. The graphic drivers and opengl support on macos is straight up garbage, in my opinion. The only reason why I even bother putting in a high end video in my MacPro is that I don't want two computers on my desk (I could just get a KVM switch) or make a hackintosh. I would probably be able to make one just fine. I just don't want to deal with the hassle of apple breaking it on every update or having to deal with the dozens of issues that community faces with drivers and stuff.
Can I assume you boot your Mac into an alternative OS (Windows perhaps)?
 
Can I assume you boot your Mac into an alternative OS (Windows perhaps)?
Almost all the time if I plan to do something that is GPU intensive, such as playing Fortnite. Everything else is done in MacOS as I hate Windows with a passion.
 
The only way I could see something going wrong is if an ebay pirate is flashing a ROM for an EVGA ICX card onto a ASUS Strix Card.

It's not a theoretical problem. We know from people posting here that things exactly like that are happening. The Ebayers just take the ROM they can get ahold of and then flash it only any damn card they think it will work on. All of the problems described above were real symptoms that people have reported.
 
It's not a theoretical problem. We know from people posting here that things exactly like that are happening. The Ebayers just take the ROM they can get ahold of and then flash it only any damn card they think it will work on. All of the problems described above were real symptoms that people have reported.

Exactly, I wouldn't even presume that the eBay card sellers are even flashing 780 roms to 780 cards, etc. etc. If I was an eBay scammer interested only in making the quick $$$ I would flash whatever roms I had on hand onto whatever cards I could get my hands on, and as long as it shows a boot screen who cares about the fan speeds, dead ports, etc. when you can just blame those kinds of problems on the buyer's computer and call it a day. As long as the buyer has a boot screen there is no easy way to prove any of the other problems are the seller's fault. And surprise, surprise that is pretty much what is happening.
 
Exactly, I wouldn't even presume that the eBay card sellers are even flashing 780 roms to 780 cards, etc. etc. If I was an eBay scammer interested only in making the quick $$$ I would flash whatever roms I had on hand onto whatever cards I could get my hands on, and as long as it shows a boot screen who cares about the fan speeds, dead ports, etc. when you can just blame those kinds of problems on the buyer's computer and call it a day. As long as the buyer has a boot screen there is no easy way to prove any of the other problems are the seller's fault. And surprise, surprise that is pretty much what is happening.
OK, let's not go too far with the assumptions. If you flashed like a 760 with a 780 bios it would brick. eBay also has very good buyer protection so if things went wrong you could always pull out. That is banking on the customer knowing they have been screwed.
 
If you look at the screenshots of these guys - many of them won't even pass LuxMark!

It shows "Image validation: Failed" - it's a clear evidence something is wrong.
 
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