"Made in USA"

[Dranix]

This anecdote has nothing to do with computer build quality.

I could have named the really sucking Sun-servers we had to life long with

It's like saying, US raised beef is low quality compared to wagyu, therefore, I fear the quality of US raised chicken.

i would fear both. You put just way to much hormones and meds into the animals. But I guess thats a typical us thing like "cheese" in cans.

Computer manufacturing, especially since it's an in-house Apple factory, is by no means relevant to the manufacturing of automobiles or the US-based companies that make them.

It's not inhouse - it's a Flextronic factory.

 

[ybz90]

I could have named the really sucking Sun-servers we had to life long with




i would fear both. You put just way to much hormones and meds into the animals. But I guess thats a typical us thing like "cheese" in cans.




It's not inhouse - it's a Flextronic factory.

You miss my point entirely. The capabilities of a car manufacturer to biuld an entirely different product with different engineering requirements has no bearing on the capabilities of Apple, or Flextronics, to deliver their product. It just doesn't make sense to extrapolate from two unrelated things.

(Also, as a bioengineer, I have very strong opinions on the food industry, especially the ignorant reticence of EU nations with regards to GMOs. But to each his own! That's another whole can of worms.)

 

[calaverasgrande]

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[tomwvr]

Considering the quality of us made cars I had (and still have) fear of the typical bad quality. The us is not really known for high quality manufacturing.

Sorry Dranix - I have had 10 cars in my life all but two were fords and the other two were Dodge and GM. The fords all lasted to over 200k miles (if not wrecked) and never gave me any problems. The Dodge lasted to 140k before the tranny went out and the GM - well it was a POS, replaced the engine after 90k miles.

I consider a car that gets 200k miles to have done well.

Tom

 

[Dranix]

Sorry Dranix - I have had 10 cars in my life all but two were fords and the other two were Dodge and GM. The fords all lasted to over 200k miles (if not wrecked) and never gave me any problems. The Dodge lasted to 140k before the tranny went out and the GM - well it was a POS, replaced the engine after 90k miles.

I consider a car that gets 200k miles to have done well.

Tom

You honestly consider 320000km a good performance? Even the small VW Polo of my sister did easily reach over 500000km before she sold it and it still rolls.

For normal Diesels 500000-600000km is actually the *expected* lifetime for a car here in germany. But I guess that explains the difference in evaluation.

 

[GreenWater]

This is a topic that often comes up on other forums. Whether or not "made in USA" should or does affect your buying choices. (for some guitarists and bassists it does).
I won't go into all the pros and cons of that or the various political affiliations and their positions. I'd rather hear what YOU think.

There are many products built here which are inferior in design and manufacture but in the case of Apple, I am confident they will impose strict standards of quality control and their design is second to none.

 

[tomwvr]

Most cars in the US run on Gas not Diesel and yes 200k miles is good considering how many cars are on the road, and how many miles we drive in the US. I travel 50 miles ONE way to go to work each day and I know many people that travel over 100 miles one way.

Tom

 

[Swampus]

I would prefer Apple make all of its products in the USA, or really any country with better worker and environmental protection. And yes, I would pay a little more.

This. Adding that I'd be just as happy to see China with a stronger working class and better environmental protection.

Anyway, I voted "yes, more likely" in the poll. This combined with the recent news that the CPU is upgradable makes it a little more attractive than my initial impression.

 

[jav6454]

This is a topic that often comes up on other forums. [...]

Should it affect my buying decision? If I (or you) want a Mac Pro, would you care where it's made?

 

[iPadPublisher]

I put it in the nice-to-know category but would have purchased mine anyway.

Same here. I'm ordering mine in a few weeks... would have no matter what, but I am glad to see them being assembled here.

 

[Beardy man]

Should it affect my buying decision? If I (or you) want a Mac Pro, would you care where it's made?

Well, living in Europe, whenever I've ordered Apple stuff made in China it's turned up in less than a week. I can appreciate that the lower volumes of the MacPro mean the lines will never churn out millions of units but at the moment even Apple stores are quoting March before they get stock into the physical stores. This for a product launched in December. Can't see the Chinese factories taking so lon g to get stuff out of the door. ;-)

As a (normally) firm anti-early -adopter I need this one before the 2014 varient will be around but I'm not going to buy until the current 1st gen has been in the wild for long enough to shake the bugs out. At this rate though, I'm not sure when the shipping date will drop to a reasonable delay (like "ships in 1-2 weeks").

 

[hamiltonDSi]

No.
Perhaps "Made in Japan" will affect my choice.
Damn that country knows how to build lasting electronics.

 

[wildmac]

The more I think about it, it doesn't effect the decision at all. All the bluster above aside, the decision point is all about CPU, GPU, and other technical bits, and there's not a direct competitor to choose against.

Unless you consider a Hackintosh "built in the USA..."

 

[calaverasgrande]

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[rk25123]

It definitely affected my choice, I would have bought one if only it wasn't made in the U.S.A.
I want efficient precise tiny-handed Chinese slaves assembling my electronics, not some lousy drunken American bumpkin.
No offense intended.

 

[RUGERMAN]

worst cars

Considering the quality of us made cars I had (and still have) fear of the typical bad quality. The us is not really known for high quality manufacturing.

Just saw an article in C.U. on the 5 worst cars: 4 were Japanese companies.

 

[quagmire]

Considering the quality of us made cars I had (and still have) fear of the typical bad quality. The us is not really known for high quality manufacturing.

Considering the Camry, Accord, Sonata, X3, X5, etc are likely to be built in the US, it doesn't mean the US can't manufacture cars.

Just until very recently, US companies were too cheap to actually take the time to make a good car(trucks are a different story). Reading Bob Lutz' book, " Car guys vs Bean Counters" reveals quite a bit into the corporate problems at GM( which some still exist today sadly). When Lutz came to GM and went to suppliers asking them if they could built a part to within these set tight tolerances, they went, " Of course we can!" Lutz then said why there weren't doing it then. Which then they replied, " Because you never asked us to. You always asked us to make the part as cheap as we could!".

There were also people known as vehicle line executives( or VLE's) where they were in charge of overseeing a development of a vehicle. They were evaluated on how well they did their job not on how good the product was, but how cheap it was to make, etc. If there was something that the car was lacking, but they wouldn't fix it if it meant a bad mark on the VLE's report car because it increased the cost of the car. There was a huge culture problem at GM. Now GM products(mostly) have improved drastically. My family has never had any major issues with our five GM products.

 

[nathan43082]

No.

 

[calaverasgrande]

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[JoeG4]

CThere was a huge culture problem at GM. Now GM products(mostly) have improved drastically. My family has never had any major issues with our five GM products.

Sometimes people have really weird visions of what makes a quality car too. I once had a friend that went on for ages about how Hondas are of such high quality because he didn't have to try to shut the door repeatedly when he closed it. I later figured out my (domestic brand) car wasn't too great in that regard. Why? When the air conditioning is on full blast (drawing full air in, of course), the air wants to get out of the car. Problem is, if the other doors/windows are closed and the seals are really good, the door will be harder to close as the air wants to escape there.

There was actually an episode of king of the hill where this is mentioned haha.

It turned out his Accord was having door seal issues, too. Whenever he turned into his driveway it'd cause the chassis to flex enough his door would squeak. *scratches head* Usually when I jack up say, the left rear of my car, it'll lift the whole dang rear in the air.

Weird how that works.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

It definitely affected my choice, I would have bought one if only it wasn't made in the U.S.A.
I want efficient precise tiny-handed Chinese slaves assembling my electronics, not some lousy drunken American bumpkin.
No offense intended.

Nice comment.

 

[wesk702]

It's given it more of a little cool factor than being assembled and shipped from China. Only downside is, unionized breaks, enforced max work hour laws, and impossible to fire employees will result in me getting my computer in February instead of last week.


I'm joking



But, I do wish I had it now

 

[Micky Do]

USA is irrelevant

I won't be buying a Mac Pro because I have no need for one. If I did, where it was assembled would not be a factor.

The only thing I own with a 'merican brand name is a Mac Mini, purchased because it fitted my needs and budget.

Being the product of two countries that for a time were united as part of one, who was assembled in a third, I can call myself a national of all three. I concurrently carry the passport of two countries, and have lived and worked in several others.

I have no time for nationalistic tosh.

In these globalised days, countries that brainwash their citizens into believing that they are some kind of super/self important power are increasingly irrelevant.

 

[Gav Mack]

Considering the quality of us made cars I had (and still have) fear of the typical bad quality. The us is not really known for high quality manufacturing.

In automobiles perhaps, but defence and aerospace products I have to disagree - same to a much smaller extent with us Brits. High end engineering we are both very much still up there.

Aside from the assembly of the imported items from the video it seems the can shell itself is certainly finished and machined in the video but I got the impression it was manufactured locally too.

I take my hat off to them for doing it - a top line Apple product should have its final touches and put together in the states. You couldn't have Aston Martin making cars outside Newport Pagnell or Ferrari not in Maranello...!

 

[JoeG4]

lol, american electronics. Most of the electronics test gear in my university's labs are old units made in the US by HP and Tektronix and such.

That stuff still works great and has suffered tremendous abuse from people learning on it.

Then again, the new stuff is obscenely expensive and most of the new lower end stuff is rebranded rigols and such.