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Magic Mouse = ****?

I cannot be without my numeric keypad. I use Finale 2009 for my music composition, and the keypad is central to input from the keyboard since you select note values and whatnot from it. So I will only use the USB keyboard. FWIW, it's the best keyboard I have ever used. Can't stand the deep travel of keys on other keyboards anymore.

As for the mouse, here's how I see it.

Mighty Mouse:

Pros: Side buttons, nice round shape, scroll ball feels more familiar to a lot of users.

Cons: Mainly the scroll ball gets dirty, but that's an easy fix. Still annoying.

Magic Mouse: (After one use, mind you)

Pros: No scroll ball to get dirty, very beautifully made, support for momentum scrolling.

Cons: A little too flat for my tastes (still comfortable though), no side buttons (yet; don't know if there are sensors that just aren't utilized yet), gestures will feel weird to anyone not used to a multi touch trackpad, wireless only.
 
i hate apple's keyboard and mice.

i use a wireless full size microsoft keyboard, and a wireless 7 button mouse with hyperscroll and thumb wheel. far better input options than what apple offers.
 
Aniday said:
Dunno about photoshop but yes, you do have to lift a finger to right click. I think left clicks register fine with two fingers resting on it.

I don’t think it’s worth the price if the mouse doesn’t do exposé. When I was demoing it I kept wanting to do some swipe for exposé like a trackpad.
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No, no you dont. I just tried it myself and I had no problem right clicking with both fingers on the mouse.

As for expose, I immagine that this may be possible in the future

mac2x said:
I cannot be without my numeric keypad. I use Finale 2009 for my music composition, and the keypad is central to input from the keyboard since you select note values and whatnot from it. So I will only use the USB keyboard. FWIW, it's the best keyboard I have ever used. Can't stand the deep travel of keys on other keyboards anymore.

As for the mouse, here's how I see it.

Mighty Mouse:

Pros: Side buttons, nice round shape, scroll ball feels more familiar to a lot of users.

Cons: Mainly the scroll ball gets dirty, but that's an easy fix. Still annoying.

Magic Mouse: (After one use, mind you)

Pros: No scroll ball to get dirty, very beautifully made, support for momentum scrolling.

Cons: A little too flat for my tastes (still comfortable though), no side buttons (yet; don't know if there are sensors that just aren't utilized yet), gestures will feel weird to anyone not used to a multi touch trackpad, wireless only.
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I didnt like how flat it was at first, but now I love its design. I honestly feel like its the best mouse I have ever used. Mind you I'm coming from a Logitec MX Revolution. This mouse is elegant, tracks amazingly, and the way it handles scrolling. especially with the software is really intuitive. It feels just like my iphone.
 
As far as I can tell, Apple allows customers to opt for the full-sized USB keyboard with numeric keypad and Mighty Mouse (now renamed Apple Mouse) for free. ie: trade down for free. Apple isn't forcing their Magic Mouse or Bluetooth keyboard down your throat.

Dissing the Magic mouse for something it wasn't designed for is pointless. There are, of course, people who liked (indeed loved) Apple's older mouses for whatever purpose they served. Apple, however, needed a brand-new, revolutionary mouse to 1) counter the majority public perception that Apple make lousy mice. 2) Showcase their collective know-how in multi-touch technology 3) Launch a product nobody else even properly conceptualized, much less bring to market.

Apple figures the large majority of customers will be quite pleased with the Magic Mouse (or at least they can't be less pleased than they are with the Mighty Mouse).

Those who aren't would likely have found their own solutions anyway (ie: 3-rd party mice & keyboards) and would likely stick to them for their particular applications.

So, for those of us who like it (or love it), GREAT! For those of us who don't, sorry. Can't please everyone, I guess. On the same token, most standard PC keyboards & mice don't exactly excite the way Apple's do (I'm taking about the ones that come bundled with your computer)

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
The Magic Mouse - my quick review...

The Good :) :
  • It's looks - stunning
  • Tracks Smoothly (The Mighty Mouse was terrible)
  • Pairs easily
  • Multi-touch is great

The Bad:( :
  • No Middle Click - I use this function all the time browsing
  • Tracks far too slow with two screens - unbearable. Installed third-party Mouse Zoom, which helps a lot, and am waiting for USB Overdrive to be updated (Can still fix this Apple - as it's just a software issue)
  • Could have done with being USB rechargeable rather than AA's

The Ugly :mad: :
[*]Not very Ergonomic - My hand hurts a lot in several different places after using it for an hour or two - might have to consider going back to my Logitech.
 
mac2x said:
momentum scrolling.
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Oooohhhh. Is that what this is? Momentum scrolling. I actually though it was the way I had it setup by mistake or something.

This is what I was fiercely against.

With the scroll bar I know I can scroll into 100%, 400%, anything. With the magic mouse I was finding it impossible to gauge the pressure to hit a desired zoom depth. Its just not accurate.

I've actually had two Might Mouse replacements under warranty. I've seen the videos, got the cleaning cloth, done everything. Sometimes, the scroll ball itself actually goes dead and no matter how well you clean it its gone. I'm not sure what I keep doing to break them but I'm on 3 in the last 18 months now.

I love the mighty mouse, but they really should make it take-apart-able.
 
fourcolourblack said:
I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore.
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I am not exactly sure what the bottom right key is but you can do all the key commands on a laptop keyboard.

Forced line break = Shift Return
Column Break = fn Return
Frame Break = fn shift Return

Enjoy.
 
Magic Mouse rocks

I brought my magic mouse at the Apple store in Ginza - Tokyo, Japan, 2 days ago.
First impressions: It's a delightful piece of industrial design. The weight feels great. I love the scrolling function: I can run my finger 3/4 the length of the mouse to scroll through internet pages and documents. The 360 degree scrolling on documents works very well. (And no cleaning of the wretched magic mouse nipple! I brought two of these and ended being very frustrated with the clogging of the nipple)
Just like the Mighty Mouse the left and right buttons work very well. I've found the tracking of the Magic mouse to be better. The tracking is very good.

I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.

Ergonomics I have yet to come across problems, for me. Yes it's not the most comfortable mouse to hold, but I've used so called ergonomic mice before and found them to be clumsy as I have to move my whole arm to move them. So the Magic mouse is working better as I can rest my wrist on the table and move the mouse across, which for me is how I like to interact with my Design programmes. (I'm an Architect and Designer)

Overall, I'm delighted with the Magic Mouse and am highly recommending to all my friends and to you all on the Mac Forums.

Enjoy!
 
form before function

The Magic Mouse might as well be called the Magic ****!! I don't understand Apple's design philosophy these days. We all know that Steve Jobs is enthralled with the concept of symmetry and simple design, however I think the form before function goes way too far!

Please don't take it that I am an Apple basher. I, for one, love Apple products for their quality, consistency, ease of use, and eye catching designs. However, I am dissapointed with some (not all!) of the products as of late when it comes to ergonomics.

I absolutely love my 24'' iMac that I have, but the Mighty Mouse that was paired with it was horrendous. It was slick, so when my hands became sweaty it slipped around. The round shape did not conform to either left or right hand (supposed to be an ambidextrous design?). It would not click if the mouse got caught on some paper or a wire. One cannot right and left click simultaneously. The ball had no momentum motion. The wire was way too short. It was way too light. It goes on and on...

I then purchased a Macbook. The edge closest to the user is so sharp! It just digs into the wrists! An emo's dream computer come true! :eek:

The new 27'' come with non-numeric keypads. Its super tiny! Does it make sense to put that together with a desktop iMac? Has math and entering numbers just slipped off the face of the earth? Then the issue with the Magic Mouse. The edges are too sharp. Its too low profile: it does not conform to the natural arch of the palm. Being symmetrical it isn't optimized for comfort for either a lefty or righty. The mouse takes life of its own when you try to use two finger gestures.

Again, I am in love with my computers, but I just wish Apple had a keener eye on ergonomics and comfort. I am sure comfort/ergonomics can be incorporated harmoniously with sleek design.
 
I've never been able to comfortably design with any of Apple's mice, and the Magic Mouse is no exception. I'll stick to my MX Revolution thats been keeping me happy for years now.
 
Magic Mouse in ArchiCAD

I am also an ArchiCAD user. How did you manage to do the Space bar assignment? Could you describe the process?


I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.
 
Why not take a look outside the world of Apple for once? Its sad to see people wanting to "upgrade" to a mighty mouse.

Try other brands, you will be surprised at how much better they are. Everything you own doesnt have to be made by Apple.
 
janitorC7 said:
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I didnt like how flat it was at first, but now I love its design. I honestly feel like its the best mouse I have ever used. Mind you I'm coming from a Logitec MX Revolution. This mouse is elegant, tracks amazingly, and the way it handles scrolling. especially with the software is really intuitive. It feels just like my iphone.
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After using a Magic Mouse for a while, I can say that I would never go back. It works extremely well.
 
When I got my first Magic Mouse it "felt" different than the mighty mouse and I used and I had to stop and think about whether or not I liked it. I've been using it now for a couple months and I have completely adjusted. In fact, I picked up a mighty mouse the other day and tried to use it and it "felt" different. The discomfort was similar to when I first picked up the Magic Mouse.

I find that I prefer the Magic Mouse now so I don't think I'll be going back to the mighty mouse. Like others, I miss the middle button. I ended up turning off the side buttons because it was getting to the point where it was annoying me because they were triggering spaces when I didn't want them to. Maybe someone can program a middle mouse button for the Magic Mouse using two fingers and a click.
 
Magic Mouse has two flaws that I've noticed:

The battery life is too short.
There's no solution other than turning the mouse off when it's not in use.

unintended scrolling.
Maddening while working on long blocks of text.
Apple needs to provide an option for scrolling only while a given key is pressed.

I've had no other problems with this mouse in PS, AI, ID, FL, DW, and it's certainly a vast improvement over the mighty mouse with the scrollball clogging issue.
Actually, I love the Magic Mouse; it just needs a better battery and a more comprehensive control panel.
 
hello everyone,


pawelf said:
I am also an ArchiCAD user. How did you manage to do the Space bar assignment? Could you describe the process?


me too. bman07, i like my :apple: magic mouse but would use the spacebar for pan in future. so, could you describe the process, please? :)


I consider myself to be a poweruser. I've used the magic on Sketchup works flawlessly. Same on ArchiCAD, however since there is now third button, I've programmed my keyboard spacebar to be used for pan.
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fourcolourblack said:
I've put this in the design threads for a reason.

Got a new iMac at work, and I lasted about 5 minutes with the new Magic Mouse and tiny keyboard. This has to be the least design conscious design decision apple have ever made reducing the keyboard size and removing the mouse third button.

I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore. Also, the default shortcut to select all text below isn't possible because of this missing.

The third mouse button was probably just to my tastes, but this scrolling surface is just rubbish. The ball is accurate and lets you scroll side to side with one finger. I just found the new mouse encourages you to half remove your hand and swipe with two fingers.

Anyone else perfectly happy with their full sized keyboard and mighty mouse?
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OMFG - why didn't you order the full-size keyboard like I did with my new iMac. It doesn't cost you anything extra. My god!
 
Magic Mouse

My wireless Mighty Mouse finally bit the dust. The left click stopped working, and the entire mouse only functions as a big right-click now.

I bought a magic mouse, fully prepared to return it within a few days, but I love it now! I use it at work and at home for photo editing in aperture 3 and PSCS4, design work in PSCS4, video editing in FCP and AECS4, and other varied uses. Very few cons, but tons of pros!

-It tracks smoothly, feels solid yet light weight

-The contact pads on the bottom are 100X better than the mighty mouses, which would gunk up after 10 minutes use

-The touch scrolling is fantastic, especially the momentum.

-SOO SLEEK

-I have actually gotten quite used to the ergonomics of it, it feels great under-hand

-No stupid scroll ball to get gunked up! +10000000 for this

-My only complaint is with zooming in after effects. I find myself always accidentally zooming in to like x30 when working on a project in AE due to the touch scroll. The slightest misstep of the fingers throws me out of whack.

Over all, I was very wrong with my first impressions of the mouse
 
How can you NOT like the Magic Mouse? And who cares about number keys off to the side? They're still on top. It's not like they're difficult to hit.
 
Mighty mouse was rubbish mouse. Magic mouse feels great to me. Scrolling works a lot better than that silly little ball, right clicks work without lifting your left click finger off the mouse again- great. I personally love the momentum scrolling but it can be turned off if you really hate it.

Saying all that I use a Microsoft trackball for proper work- and a full size split beige keyboard (complete with 90's wire!)
 
Gav2k said:
Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.
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You think a number pad would kill battery life on a wireless keyboard?

I have a wireless keyboard...with a number pad... and it lasts 3-4 months on a full charge with daily use.

Do you think if I got rid of my number pad I could squeeze out another month?

I should add that, I input more data than someone who is using a spreadsheet.
 
Mmm. I actually quite like the flat and small keyboard. I think it's the best keyboard I've ever had. I like the shallow key travel. i actually type faster on this keyboard than I ever have on an Apple keyboard. Personal preference, I guess. For most people, not having the numeric keypad is a plus, because now the keyboard is centered in front of the screen with more room for the mouse. I always hated that the keyboard would be off-center. But I can see some professionals need the full keyboard. But that's choice for you.

Magic mouse? I find it to be the best mouse Apple has done. It's flat, yes, but I actually have less pain in my hands and wrist, because I'm actually not clutching this mouse. Also I'm having less cold hands. My muscles are quite relaxed, because this mouse forces me to lightly hold and keep my hand flat on the table. Surprisingly, I find this position to be quite ergonomic, because no muscle is tense. Again, personal preference.
 
I'm very happy with my full size keyboard and wireless mighty mouse. I have the 2.8 version iMac. Tried the smaller keyboard and no way. I haven't used a magic mouse enough to know if I would make the switch.
 
I can see why the keyboard shortcuts thing might be annoying, but I don't really do much with textual design, and so find that the small keyboard is quite nice to use. Considering that I have never had such a big screen, it's nice that I've also never had so much free desk space!

As far as the mouse goes - yeah, it does take some getting used to. Personally, I've disabled swipe and boosted the tracking speed and now I'm quite happy. Plugged my old mighty mouse into my laptop the other day, and was surprised how cheaply made it felt and how imprecise it seemed in comparison. I had also forgotten how annoying it was when the roller ball constantly gets stuck... :mad:
 
The iMac's small keyboard felt different to me than the MBP, I had gotten used to the MBP keyboard, then had to get used to the iMac one it seemed. As for the Magic Mouse, I don't know- it has hard edges so I have learned not to lay any weight of my hand on it (not ergonomic), it feels less like a mouse, and more like a half used bar of soap.

I have a different mouse that I use in Bootcamp, and I have to admit I still have problems pressing CMD for CTRL in Windows (pulls up the start bar), annoying when trying to copy and past- this is an age old problem, I suppose my brain is saying make up your mind where CTRL is at buddy.

For those using CAD programs, I can't remember if it is the same or not, but if you want to "pan around", hold down the letter "i", pressing space locks an object in 3D Max, but I've always used "i" pressed (it centers to the location of the mouse cursor.)

I use a SpacePilot, but I'm used to all my shortcuts in 3DMax, you have to know them if you want to build quickly and efficiently.

On the topic of the mouse and keyboard- again, I think they are absolutely beautiful designs, but they need some additional refinement. I would like to see a full sized bluetooth keyboard, and the sharp edges on the magic mouse smoothed out a bit. One more gripe, the keyboard isn't so bad with batteries, but the magic mouse is horrible, I believe I put new batteries in (name brand) 2-3 days ago, and it's down to 75% already. It goes through batters like a squirt gun through water.
 
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