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George Waseem

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My iPad 4 seems to perform pretty well with iOS 9, the only thing that made me angry was that some animations looked bad and some lag and stuttering were visible and noticeable. I tried the Reduce Transparency setting and the results were magical, great animations (app switcher is amazing), good battery, stutter and lag reduced. The iPad feels amazing and the performance is outstanding. I recommend every one to try out the Reduce Transparency setting, it may work on other iPads too.
 

danleon950410

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It's not fair to have to sacrifice some UI features in order to gain some speed on mobile devices.
However, it's true that most of the performance issues are due to the rendering of transparencies, as it seems to be heavy stuff for some processors.

But, this trick you just mentioned has been useful to me. Thanks!. This post has been helpful for me and my iPad Mini.
 

XTheLancerX

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It's not fair to have to sacrifice some UI features in order to gain some speed on mobile devices.
However, it's true that most of the performance issues are due to the rendering of transparencies, as it seems to be heavy stuff for some processors.

But, this trick you just mentioned has been useful to me. Thanks!. This post has been helpful for me and my iPad Mini.
I agree, disgusting looking UI but smooth experience, or nicer looking UI but horrendously choppy experience. Hate it. Oh and reduce transparency has a bug where the light keyboard had no key tap indicators and it's super annoying.
 
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danleon950410

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I agree, disgusting looking UI but smooth experience, or nicer looking UI but horrendously choppy experience. Hate it. Oh and reduce transparency has a bug where the light keyboard had no key tap indicators and it's super annoying.
Yeah you're right, it's annoying as hell. And totally! I wouldn't mind having a carboard UI with a nice and smooth experience.
 

LimonJoe

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Magical? Really?

Right? It isn't, really. If you disable animations by turning on the reduce motion setting and enable the reduce transparency option, jus less superfluous crap the system has to render. iOS is a much better experience with reduce motion and reduce transparency both enabled.
 

Bhavesh Parmar

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The difference is similar to 30fps vs 60fps videos. Subtle but appreciable. Thanks! Why Apple provides horrible UI with 'reduce transparency on' is I can't understand.
 

Jayson A

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All of these blur effects rendered perfectly in iOS 8 without Metal, so clearly metal has an issue with blurring consistently at high speeds.
 
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LordQ

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I wish there would be a way to keep blur on the homescreen only, and animations on opening/closing apps à la iOS 7.
 
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Michael Goff

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Did they ever fix the bug where turning in reduced motion makes the multitasking menu go one-by-one?
 

gwhizkids

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All of these blur effects rendered perfectly in iOS 8 without Metal, so clearly metal has an issue with blurring consistently at high speeds.
You can't make this statement. You don't know what other changes, including in your own setup,might be contributing.
 
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Jayson A

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You can't make this statement. You don't know what other changes, including in your own setup,might be contributing.

Hahahahaha. I CAN say this because:

1. I've restored and setup as new... still no change
2. Devices that are incapable of running Metal, do not have these frame drops that Metal-capable devices have.

So tell me again why I can't make that statement.
 

sanke1

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Hahahahaha. I CAN say this because:

1. I've restored and setup as new... still no change
2. Devices that are incapable of running Metal, do not have these frame drops that Metal-capable devices have.

So tell me again why I can't make that statement.

That dude clearly is clueless.
 

MEJHarrison

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So tell me again why I can't make that statement.

Because it's like saying, "All my children are boys, so clearly anyone who isn't my child must not be a boy". Or "I like pie, so clearly I must not like any other type of food".

It's true that all my kids are boys (and that I like pie). It's also true that all devices without metal seem to run better than those with metal.

But fact A does NOT prove fact B. Clearly there are kids out there that aren't mine and yet are still boys. And I DO like things besides pie.

All you can truly say is that devices running metal seem to have issues. But it's neither proven, nor "clear" that it's truly metal causing the issues. There are many differences with metal vs. non-metal devices. To say that it's "clearly" any particular thing based solely on the fact that non-metal devices seem to run better is a fallacy. It's a great indication that you're on to something. It's good circumstantial evidence. But that does NOT make it fact. Not until it's proven. Until that point, the best you can correctly say is "...so there's a good chance the problem has to do with metal".

When you say "...so clearly metal has an issue with blurring consistently at high speeds", I think "That dude clearly is clueless". It's a logical fallacy.

Or if you prefer, here's a far funnier, NSFW explanation from a stand-up comic:
:)
 
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gwhizkids

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Because it's like saying, "All my children are boys, so clearly anyone who isn't my child must not be a boy". Or "I like pie, so clearly I must not like any other type of food".

It's true that all my kids are boys (and that I like pie). It's also true that all devices without metal seem to run better than those with metal.

But fact A does NOT prove fact B. Clearly there are kids out there that aren't mine and yet are still boys. And I DO like things besides pie.

All you can truly say is that devices running metal seem to have issues. But it's neither proven, nor "clear" that it's truly metal causing the issues. There are many differences with metal vs. non-metal devices. To say that it's "clearly" any particular thing based solely on the fact that non-metal devices seem to run better is a fallacy. It's a great indication that you're on to something. It's good circumstantial evidence. But that does NOT make it fact. Not until it's proven. Until that point, the best you can correctly say is "...so there's a good chance the problem has to do with metal".

When you say "...so clearly metal has an issue with blurring consistently at high speeds", I think "That dude clearly is clueless". It's a logical fallacy.

Or if you prefer, here's a far funnier, NSFW explanation from a stand-up comic:
:)
Boom. Best post I've seen on here in awhile. This is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. He just did it so much better.
 

C DM

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I have yet to see anyone show me otherwise. Saying my kids are boys so all kids must be boys isn't really the same thing at all.

So you're telling me that when I do a DFU restore and set up as new (as if I just opened up a brand new iPhone) it still could be my particular device that is acting up? You're also telling me that there is still something wrong with my particular iPhone when it worked great on iOS 8? (I been switched back and forth between iOS 8 and iOS 9 just to see the difference).

So you must also be telling me that if I restore my iPhone 6 to iOS 9.2 and set up as new, it could perform differently than someone else's iPhone 6 restored to iOS 9.2 and set up as new? Same hardware. Same software. Both erased and restored to the same OS version?

Show me an iPhone 6 that doesn't experience lag on iOS 9.2 without turning on reduced transparency or disabling other UI effects and I'll shut up forever.
Well, to be fair, it's not necessarily the same hardware at least, given that there are different manufacturers of different components that can differ, and even among the same ones, there can and often are differences from one physical component to another.
 

vertsix

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It's not fair to have to sacrifice some UI features in order to gain some speed on mobile devices.
However, it's true that most of the performance issues are due to the rendering of transparencies, as it seems to be heavy stuff for some processors.

But, this trick you just mentioned has been useful to me. Thanks!. This post has been helpful for me and my iPad Mini.

I agree completely, especially because performance was unbelievably good prior to iOS 9. It's just really stupid. Probably Apple's idea was to reduce performance in priority for better battery (because it is better).

Apple has billions yet they can't get a decent team to hear what we have to say and fix all these issues. It seems as if they're slacking off. If I was CEO, I'd undoubtedly fire some people.
 
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Jayson A

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Well, to be fair, it's not necessarily the same hardware at least, given that there are different manufacturers of different components that can differ, and even among the same ones, there can and often are differences from one physical component to another.

So what about iOS 8 which ran great on my iPhone 6? Are you saying that Apple optimized some iPhone 6 phones for iOS 9 but not all of them?

You sound ridiculous. There's no way the hardware in my iPhone 6 is going to be any different (spec wise) than someone else's iPhone 6.
 

C DM

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So what about iOS 8 which ran great on my iPhone 6? Are you saying that Apple optimized some iPhone 6 phones for iOS 9 but not all of them?

You sound ridiculous. There's no way the hardware in my iPhone 6 is going to be any different (spec wise) than someone else's iPhone 6.
You are saying that what I said isn't true?
 

MEJHarrison

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You sound ridiculous. There's no way the hardware in my iPhone 6 is going to be any different (spec wise) than someone else's iPhone 6.

The specs might be the same. That doesn't make them the same. Just as two different vehicles from two different companies with the "same specs" could and would be radically different.

If two different unrelated companies produce the "same thing", there's no guarantee that they're identical. There always exists the possibility that company A introduced a problem that company B didn't. There's human error, materials differences, manufacturing differences, environmental differences, and so on.

Check out the A9 for example. The same chip is made by two different companies. Same specs, very different chips. They're not even the same size. And that's just the main chip in the phone. Who's to say what other differences there are in less important areas no one pays attention to.

You sound ignorant. You should educate yourself some more before you attempt to inform us on how things are.
 
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