Magical trick on iOS 9 devices.

[Jayson A]

The specs might be the same. That doesn't make them the same. Just as two different vehicles from two different companies with the "same specs" could and would be radically different.

If two different unrelated companies produce the "same thing", there's no guarantee that they're identical. There always exists the possibility that company A introduced a problem that company B didn't. There's human error, materials differences, manufacturing differences, environmental differences, and so on.

Check out the A9 for example. The same chip is made by two different companies. Same specs, very different chips. They're not even the same size. And that's just the main chip in the phone. Who's to say what other differences there are in less important areas no one pays attention to.

You sound ignorant. You should educate yourself some more before you attempt to inform us on how things are.

I would believe you, but nobody has shown me evidence of 2 identical iPhone 6 phones with identical software (restored and set up as new) running any differently from each other. Once someone can do that, I'm going to say you don't really have any evidence to back up your claims.

Also, if my iPhone 6 has bad parts in it, then why did those bad parts run iOS 8 so well? Even if some of the components of the phone are made from different manufacturers, you're not going to see that big of a difference between them. That would be false advertising from Apple if that were the case.

Imagine Apple selling some iPhone 6 phones that are faster than some other iPhone 6 phones and you can't choose which one you want. Are you supposed to just pray you get one of the good ones? I'm not talking about wiggly switches, squeeky screens or faulty hardware.

You are saying that what I said isn't true?

I believe you that components can be from different companies, but that doesn't explain why iOS 8 ran great and iOS 9 does not. Everything points to a software issue rather than a hardware issue. When/if Apple releases an update that fixes the lag on the iPhone 6 completely, then what are you going to say? ...Oh, I guess it was a software optimization issue all along.

 

[C DM]

I would believe you, but nobody has shown me evidence of 2 identical iPhone 6 phones with identical software (restored and set up as new) running any differently from each other. Once someone can do that, I'm going to say you don't really have any evidence to back up your claims.

Also, if my iPhone 6 has bad parts in it, then why did those bad parts run iOS 8 so well? Even if some of the components of the phone are made from different manufacturers, you're not going to see that big of a difference between them. That would be false advertising from Apple if that were the case.

Imagine Apple selling some iPhone 6 phones that are faster than some other iPhone 6 phones and you can't choose which one you want. Are you supposed to just pray you get one of the good ones? I'm not talking about wiggly switches, squeeky screens or faulty hardware.



I believe you that components can be from different companies, but that doesn't explain why iOS 8 ran great and iOS 9 does not. Everything points to a software issue rather than a hardware issue. When/if Apple releases an update that fixes the lag on the iPhone 6 completely, then what are you going to say? ...Oh, I guess it was a software optimization issue all along.

But what about people that aren't experiencing issues with iOS 9 (and were experiencing more issues with iOS 8 even)? Yes, some frame drops are present in a few places, but beyond that many people aren't dealing with other issues, and the few frame drops are either quite trivial for most of them or they aren't even noticing them. Perhaps those who are having bigger issues than those few frame drops are in fact having different issues than many others or alternatively perhaps they are simply (over)experiencing them differently.

 

[Jayson A]

You are saying that what I said isn't true?

But what about people that aren't experiencing issues with iOS 9 (and were experiencing more issues with iOS 8 even)? Yes, some frame drops are present in a few places, but beyond that many people aren't dealing with other issues, and the few frame drops are either quite trivial for most of them or they aren't even noticing them. Perhaps those who are having bigger issues than those few frame drops are in fact having different issues than many others or alternatively perhaps they are simply (over)experiencing them differently.

If people are having issues, the logical thing to do is do a full restore and setup as new. Then they should see if the issues still exist. If the issues still exist, then there's probably a problem with the OS and Apple needs to fix it. That person should then report the bug to Apple and wait for a fix.

A problem you have with your iPhone 6, will also happen on my iPhone 6 (as long as it's the same phone with the same software and same configuration). Do you see what I'm saying?

Restore two identical iPhones and do not change anything. Then see if they're exactly the same. They should be exactly the same. You won't notice a difference.

The other thing is, some people "think" their iPhone is working just fine (and it probably seems fine to them), but those people might not even notice the things that I notice.

For example. I can show my wife my iPhone stutter and lag and she claims she can't see it. She also doesn't pick up on screen tearing in video games, yet it drives me bonkers. Some people just notice stuff like that, others just care that their phone works.

However, it can go the other way too. You might not like when your Safari page has to reload, but I don't really see it as a problem. You might swear by having a case on your phone, but to me it's not needed. You might feel the need to close every app when you're done using it, but I leave them all open. You might feel the need to turn bluetooth off if you're not using it, but I leave mine on all the time. You might value battery life, where as I value performance and smooth operations and I never use up my battery in one day.

It's all in what you see and what you care about vs what you don't care about.

In conclusion, if someone claims that their phone is operating smoothly and lag free, it could just mean they don't perceive the lag where as if they came to me in person to show me, I would probably see it just as I see it on my own device.

 

[C DM]

If people are having issues, the logical thing to do is do a full restore and setup as new. Then they should see if the issues still exist. If the issues still exist, then there's probably a problem with the OS and Apple needs to fix it. That person should then report the bug to Apple and wait for a fix.

A problem you have with your iPhone 6, will also happen on my iPhone 6 (as long as it's the same phone with the same software and same configuration). Do you see what I'm saying?

Restore two identical iPhones and do not change anything. Then see if they're exactly the same. They should be exactly the same. You won't notice a difference.

The other thing is, some people "think" their iPhone is working just fine (and it probably seems fine to them), but those people might not even notice the things that I notice.

For example. I can show my wife my iPhone stutter and lag and she claims she can't see it. She also doesn't pick up on screen tearing in video games, yet it drives me bonkers. Some people just notice stuff like that, others just care that their phone works.

However, it can go the other way too. You might not like when your Safari page has to reload, but I don't really see it as a problem. You might swear by having a case on your phone, but to me it's not needed. You might feel the need to close every app when you're done using it, but I leave them all open. You might feel the need to turn bluetooth off if you're not using it, but I leave mine on all the time. You might value battery life, where as I value performance and smooth operations and I never use up my battery in one day.

It's all in what you see and what you care about vs what you don't care about.

In conclusion, if someone claims that their phone is operating smoothly and lag free, it could just mean they don't perceive the lag where as if they came to me in person to show me, I would probably see it just as I see it on my own device.

It could mean that, it could also mean that some people are having bigger and/or different issues that others aren't having.

As for being the same and not noticing a difference, in theory that all sounds good and nice, and in practice in many instances that's mostly the case, but at times that isn't to one degree or another. It's not limited to iPhones or cell phones either, but applies to most products out there.

 

[Jsameds]

I've been saying stuff like this for years. An optimised iOS is often faster than the previous version, unoptimised. There are multiple things you can change which really just involve switching off the things you don't use.

The last time I tried to help someone out here with a list of things you can do to help optimise your phone I was hounded by multiple angry MR members telling me 'what's the point of a smartphone if you're going to turn all the features off' (whilst also complaining that their 4 year old phone was slow...), so much so I gave up and deleted the helpful post in question.

They didn't seem to understand the simple concept of turning off the things you don't use. I tried to tell them it was like having your car's air con on all the time with the windows down and then complaining that your fuel efficiency is terrible, but they wouldn't listen. Muppets.

 

[Jayson A]

I've been saying stuff like this for years. An optimised iOS is often faster than the previous version, unoptimised. There are multiple things you can change which really just involve switching off the things you don't use.

The last time I tried to help someone out here with a list of things you can do to help optimise your phone I was hounded by multiple angry MR members telling me 'what's the point of a smartphone if you're going to turn all the features off' (whilst also complaining that their 4 year old phone was slow...), so much so I gave up and deleted the helpful post in question.

They didn't seem to understand the simple concept of turning off the things you don't use. I tried to tell them it was like having your car's air con on all the time with the windows down and then complaining that your fuel efficiency is terrible, but they wouldn't listen. Muppets.

Actually, Apple is supposed to turn off the features that the hardware isn't compatible with. When you have 512MB of RAM, your

 

[Jsameds]

Actually, Apple is supposed to turn off the features that the hardware isn't compatible with. When you have 512MB of RAM, your

I was saying one should turn off the features that they personally don't use. For example, spotlight search. I never use it to search for anything other than apps or music so I switch the indexing off for everything else. Again, background app refresh for certain apps - I don't need that so I switch it off. Saves battery and speeds up the device.

All in all there's around 5 or 6 things like this you can do to speed up your old device. Each one makes a small difference, but all combined make the device that much faster.

 

[Vexxx]

I could buy this "different components" thing, but seen too many phones where one says that "my phone does not have these stutters" and when I use it there they are. And so many do not see them on my phone either.

So I am sure most of this is about perception. Or at least as long as I see phone that is smooth with ios 9. Maybe that day will come.

 

[MEJHarrison]

I would believe you, but nobody has shown me evidence of 2 identical iPhone 6 phones with identical software (restored and set up as new) running any differently from each other. Once someone can do that, I'm going to say you don't really have any evidence to back up your claims.

Honestly, I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. My only point is that you can't take your speculation and present it as fact. Or that if you do, you're going to get called out on it. That's what you did earlier in this thread when you essentially said "if A is true, then clearly B must be true also". Speculate all you want. I've been reading this crap for months. It's been rather fun actually. But don't tell me something is factual when you're clearly just making some educated guesses on your part.

 

[Jayson A]

Honestly, I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. My only point is that you can't take your speculation and present it as fact. Or that if you do, you're going to get called out on it. That's what you did earlier in this thread when you essentially said "if A is true, then clearly B must be true also". Speculate all you want. I've been reading this crap for months. It's been rather fun actually. But don't tell me something is factual when you're clearly just making some educated guesses on your part.

Yes it is factual in my case.

iOS 8's UI did not run on Metal... it was openGL (fact)
iOS 9's UI does not run on Metal on non-64 bit devices (fact)
Non 64-bit devices do not exhibit laggy animations (fact)
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices use Metal to draw animations (fact)
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices exhibit laggy animations (fact)

The one constant thing I notice in all of those facts is... Devices that use Metal to draw it's UI, lag. Metal is causing the lag.

 

[gwhizkids]

Yes it is factual in my case.

iOS 8's UI did not run on Metal... it was openGL (fact)
iOS 9's UI does not run on Metal on non-64 bit devices (fact)
Non 64-bit devices do not exhibit laggy animations (fact)
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices use Metal to draw animations (fact)
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices exhibit laggy animations (fact)

The one constant thing I notice in all of those facts is... Devices that use Metal to draw it's UI, lag. Metal is causing the lag.

My advice to you: don't take a college level logic class.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Well, it seems you're quite set on phrasing things how you want to phrase them regardless of the accuracy of such statements. And that's fine. You're free to do as you choose.

But do know that it really hurts your credibility. When I read something like your last post, it's pretty clear to me that you don't fully understand the things you're talking about (while pretending that you actually do) and that you have very little ability to present your point of view in a clear and rational manner. I'm sure you're fine with that, so I see no reason to continue this little conversation. This will be my final post on the matter.

I will leave you with one final parting gift. In the hopes that someday this all clicks for you.

iOS 8's UI did not run on Metal... it was openGL (fact) - FACT
iOS 9's UI does not run on Metal on non-64 bit devices (fact) - FACT
Non 64-bit devices do not exhibit laggy animations (fact) - This is what most of the evidence, presented on this site, would suggest, but there's no way to label that as a fact until every 32-bit device has checked. Especially since I've seen people with 32-bit devices complain. Not nearly as much, but someone yesterday made that claim that his device was lagging.
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices use Metal to draw animations (fact) - FACT
iOS 9 on 64-bit devices exhibit laggy animations (fact) - Again, there's tons of evidence to support this statement. But there are also people saying their devices are fine. So until all devices are checked, or a large enough sample size, you really can't call this one a fact. Or until you have inside information.

The one constant thing I notice in all of those facts is... Devices that use Metal to draw it's UI, lag. Ok so far... Metal is causing the lag. Ding, ding, ding! You did it again. A is true, therefor B is also true. Sorry, in reality A is true and B has lots of circumstantial evidence. B is very likely true, but you really can't state that as a fact. All you have are slightly educated guesses.