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RyanFlynn

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Does your 16inch Mbp run Big Sur and Cubase?
If so contact Apple, they plugged that apps should work seamlessly with Rosetta 2.
it does indeed, though I don't think it's apple's responsibility to ensure compatibility with all software for new hardware. I remember the same thing happening with the PowerPC transition and protools.
 

RyanFlynn

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Which model do you have? The 8GB models of the Air and Pro have express pickup available in my area, but the 16GB models generally do not, and show late December shipping times. If you think you can recover your sales tax, give it a shot, since you have until January 8 to return it to Apple (it is within the holiday return period).
yeah, i'd be happy to sell it at my cost to someone who wants it, otherwise i'll just return it.

Specs: 13" pro 1tb 16gb
 

RyanFlynn

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If only people did their research BEFORE they buy the product, maybe there’d be fewer returns? Gee, seems like a simple and smart thing to do...

For me, when I get my M1 Mac Mini, I will be using a USB wired keyboard and mouse to set up, then test my wireless Logitech trackball, but keep a wired USB keyboard.

Use only M1-native apps (oh, wait... if Logitech doesn’t have an M1-native Wireless driver for the M1 Mac, I’ll forgo that and use an older USB Logitech for awhile). Test everything I install and make sure I don’t HAVE to have it, in case it has issues.

You know... one foot in front of the other kinda stuff. Not (figuratively) jumping into the pool head first, and THEN realize (waking up in the hospital, paralyzed from the neck down), I jumped into the SHALLOW end, by mistake.

I get being eager to get the latest and greatest Apple tech... but SOME caution is always warranted.
I'm happy to try to new tech, if it doesn't work for my workflow, I'll just return it. If it does, I get all the advantages of the m1. I'll try again in 6 months.
 

RyanFlynn

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Anyone dumb enough to believe EVERYTHING Apple says, like it's from the mouth of God Himself, is just asking for disappointments. Companies tout the wonderful framework, without a lot of the caveats! As I say, "Shoulda ain't dida". What that means is, "It shoulda worked!" doesn't mean "it did work". Of COURSE Apple is going to say X is "most likely" or "probably" going to work in Rosetta 2. They have a general idea/feeling about how well Rosetta 2 works. But, if you take that as carte blanche to put all your hopes into it, right off the bat, you're going to be disappointed. Apple can NOT claim 100% functionality, because they can't KNOW what they don't know. But the framework is there... it's designed to work as a stop-gap measure, to get you by... but nobody puts a dot band aid over a gash in your arm and calls it good! But the band aid didn't fail it's job... it just wasn't able to cover the ENTIRE injury!

And so it goes, because people who jump in, headlong, into the pool, get injured... end up blaming the pool manufacturer! Instead of being patient, doing their research (due diligence), etc., they end up disappointed and angry, saying the M1 Mac sucks because it doesn't perform flawlessly and they assumed it would!

Well, guess what... there's a saying: "NEVER assume... it makes an ASS out of U and ME". ;)
Did I get injured? Did I assume everything worked? No, I just put a couple of grand on my credit card for a week to see if I could make the hardware work, unfortunately, the support from 3rd party developers isn't there yet. I'll try again when the specialized software I use, is supported.
 

RyanFlynn

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I’m in a similar line of work. The infuriating thing is that Kontakt itself works with Rosetta (I migrated my old system across, along with all the apps and plugins) but without Native Access there’s no way to register the libraries. So close, yet so far away!

I’m going to stick with the M1 for now, because I have another machine for work, and I assume Native Instruments will get their act together at some stage, but I definitely feel your pain.
That's super frustrating! I figured that was the case, but couldn't find another way to install it! I wish I had just migrated! Perhaps NI will just release an isolated install for kontact and kontrol.
 

SBruv

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That’s just my experience for the last several years of MacOS updates. Apogee still hasn’t made my Duet compatible with iPad Pro over usb-c (works on lighting ports) and it’s been over 2 years now.
So your one niche case (that doesn’t even involve Mac – Apogee don’t care in the slightest about iPad compatibility, so that was never going to happen) extrapolates to the entire industry?

Fringe cases aside, it only ever takes a few months for pretty much everyone to get this stuff working on new OS versions, and Apple Silicon shouldn’t be any different to that.
 

RPhoto

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Anyone dumb enough to believe EVERYTHING Apple says, like it's from the mouth of God Himself, is just asking for disappointments. Companies tout the wonderful framework, without a lot of the caveats! As I say, "Shoulda ain't dida". What that means is, "It shoulda worked!" doesn't mean "it did work". Of COURSE Apple is going to say X is "most likely" or "probably" going to work in Rosetta 2. They have a general idea/feeling about how well Rosetta 2 works. But, if you take that as carte blanche to put all your hopes into it, right off the bat, you're going to be disappointed. Apple can NOT claim 100% functionality, because they can't KNOW what they don't know. But the framework is there... it's designed to work as a stop-gap measure, to get you by... but nobody puts a dot band aid over a gash in your arm and calls it good! But the band aid didn't fail it's job... it just wasn't able to cover the ENTIRE injury!

And so it goes, because people who jump in, headlong, into the pool, get injured... end up blaming the pool manufacturer! Instead of being patient, doing their research (due diligence), etc., they end up disappointed and angry, saying the M1 Mac sucks because it doesn't perform flawlessly and they assumed it would!

Well, guess what... there's a saying: "NEVER assume... it makes an ASS out of U and ME". ;)
Woah. Bit harsh! In your thread about due diligence I asked about Big Sur and M1 compatibility not being the same. And you politely answered with...

This is technically accurate. But you want to first be sure your drivers support the “baseline” (Big Sur), then the M1 SoC. The reason I say this is because Rosetta 2 should be able to handle Intel Mac x86 drivers until M1-native drivers are available.

Not having a pop. Just curious why the drastic change in tone?
 
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glindon

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So your one niche case (that doesn’t even involve Mac – Apogee don’t care in the slightest about iPad compatibility, so that was never going to happen) extrapolates to the entire industry?

Fringe cases aside, it only ever takes a few months for pretty much everyone to get this stuff working on new OS versions, and Apple Silicon shouldn’t be any different to that.
Niche case? Universal Audio didn't support Catalina until 8 months out. None of their stuff works on Big Sur either. The original poster was returning his Mac because he does music production.
 
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KPOM

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Return it. Don't hassle with private sales and the ensuing problems that can arise and high commissions.

I returned my M1 Mac Mini due to no Parallels support.
What do you plan to run in Parallels? When it ships, it will support ARM builds of Linux, but Apple has said it's up to Microsoft to make their ARM version of Windows available (and so far they haven't).
 

MrEcted

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of course! Should’ve mentioned it.
I compose music for film and video games.

The most devastating incompatibility is Native access, because one needs to use that to install kontact. Without kontact, most of my spitfire audio samples don’t work.

The other piece of software is Cubase 11. While I can use logic in a pinch, I won’t be able to easily share my projects with my studio computer.

I feel your pain, I produce music and have a heavy reliance on Native Instruments, also my Apollo interface is a no-go. That being said, a common mantra in this world is to "NEVER UPGRADE!" Obviously this it tongue in cheek, but basically make sure to research everything before making a big purchase. I bought an M1 Mini as a tech nerd and I knew going in that I would be completely gimped when it comes to audio production, for me it's more just something to play around and experiment with while the kinks are ironed out (which is why I went with the absolute cheapest base model Mini - just something for fun to plug into my main TV).
 

UBS28

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Almost no pro audio gear is fully compatible with Big Sur let alone M1. None of my Apogee gear works. Expect to wait at least 6 months before Big Sur is fully supported and then add another 6 months for Apple Silicon.

Happy that your gear will work at some point. I am afraid my Access Virus TI will never work with Mac again and have to use Windows now if I want to use it.
 

RyanFlynn

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you mean Facebook Market place? yeah could sell it there if you think you can profit. Otherwise return. Are you experienced with selling face to face? If not I would urge you meet people at your local Police Station and CASH only. I've done this before. They don't mind and already know people meet there. Just go in and tell them you there to meet someone that is buying your computer. Meet inside not outside a Police Station. Stay safe.

Why in the world would you list it for sale when you're within your return period with Apple?
In case someone wants it, I wouldn't mark it up. Just willing to save someone the wait.
 
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tevion5

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Almost no pro audio gear is fully compatible with Big Sur let alone M1. None of my Apogee gear works. Expect to wait at least 6 months before Big Sur is fully supported and then add another 6 months for Apple Silicon.
Was pleasantly surprised to see Focusrite release a firmware update for my Scarlett 18i20 just a day before Big Sur launched. Had no issues in Big Sur with it or any of my Logic Pro workflow.

Owner an M-Audio interface for a few years and it was always the thing that stopped me from updating my version of MacOS. Sometimes I'd even create a dual boot with say Yosemite and Mavericks so I could maintain compatibility and be up to date...
 

glindon

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Happy that your gear will work at some point. I am afraid my Access Virus TI will never work with Mac again and have to use Windows now if I want to use it.
That’s a bummer. I just looked up what it was... doesn’t even work with Catalina still?
 

glindon

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Was pleasantly surprised to see Focusrite release a firmware update for my Scarlett 18i20 just a day before Big Sur launched. Had no issues in Big Sur with it or any of my Logic Pro workflow.

Owner an M-Audio interface for a few years and it was always the thing that stopped me from updating my version of MacOS. Sometimes I'd even create a dual boot with say Yosemite and Mavericks so I could maintain compatibility and be up to date...
Seems like most usb based interfaces will work provided they don’t need a driver or rely on software to change settings. I’m really looking forward to doing audio work on AS as it’s already running circles around intel and it’s nice to record vocals with no fan noise.
 
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Maconplasma

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In case someone wants it, I wouldn't mark it up. Just willing to save someone the wait.
But the fact that you opened it up it's no longer sealed and you put a charge cycle on the battery. You'd have to sell it for less. Don't worry about others having to wait. It's just a laptop computer and not a requirement to live. It's not a product in such high demand like the Playstation 5 or Xbox where's it's impossible to get one. Your philanthropy is honorable but you won't get full retail for it so save yourself the trouble and get a refund from Apple. I hope you're not willing to take a hit on the price just to help others when you can get a full refund?
 
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lpolarityl

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Return it. Don't hassle with private sales and the ensuing problems that can arise and high commissions.

I returned my M1 Mac Mini due to no Parallels support.
I unfortunately might be doing the same. I want to wait and see if Parallels will release something sooner than later... but its looking like it might be a while. The ONLY thing I need is to be able to run a few VMs. This is the ONLY issue I have with my M1 MBP. Everything else about the machine is fantastic. The battery life and performance in general is insane. The instant wake up is also insane... I love this thing.... Parallels... please.
 
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