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Many M1 engineers left Apple! Why?
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And to many. This is probably one of the factors in play. I left a job once for those reasons, and it wasn't nearly the pressure cooker I'm sure Apple has going in Cupertino.
It's the tech sector, people move a lot. It's normal. Any company that has any staying power, or can support itself, will create a good team. Worst thing to do is create rockstars you can't replace or destroy your company completely if someone retires or decided to move. Apple has had a lot of change and has grown and become the first 1, 2, and now 3 trillion dollar company. No reason to panic. Intel will need to retool and needs more than one or two people to fix their issues. The market they are in is more the issue than full tech (although that's a big deal as well.) Apple has the advantage of controlling their ecosystem.
Perhaps with Apple showcasing its talent in silicon the news media is more inclined to write stories about that division and scrutinize every hire and retirement.
This.
Back 20 or so years ago a 5% turnover rate was considered "good", 5% of a 100k employee company is: 5,000 people per year. Now Apple is under the microscope for EVERYTHING they are doing, and the press reacts to EVERYTHING for click/bait, nothing else.
This topic is blown way out of proportion
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yep, you're right, Apple is doomed
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if you have insights into Apple's turnover rate that you can share here, then we have something to talk about.Not just a lead designer but many M1 developers and engineers left Apple to other companies such as MS and Intel. According to Bloomberg, Apple tried to prevent engineers to defections by giving stocks but they rejected Apple's offer.
Not just few but many of them left and is it a concerning issue for Apple?
Citing "rumor articles" is meaningless
RIP
Cinebench R23
12900HK - 16,852 @ 60+watt
AMD R9 6980HS - 16,417 @ 38watt
Apple M1 Max - 12,339 @ 39watt
Cinebench R23
12900HK - 16,852 @ 60+watt
AMD R9 6980HS - 16,417 @ 38watt
Apple M1 Max - 12,339 @ 39watt
Not only that, when I started out ~15 years ago, the company that hired me was looking to have a minimum turnover of around 10%. They wanted it to be the "bottom 10%", but that's pretty arbitrary when you have different orgs producing different results (and placing different demands on the engineers).
You said in a previous thread that you like to do your own tests, where did you get a 12900HK and an R9 6980HS?
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I think apple has set a new precedent by developing their own chips and other tech companies are starting to see how a one-size-fits-all approach to silicon inherently makes you the best at nothing. Tech companies want to make their own chips now and that means chip engineering jobs are getting more competitive. Engineers aren’t abandoning ship because apple is beginning to falter, they’re seizing new opportunities that other tech firms are offering out of desperation to attract the best talent. Apple made their jobs too valuable to be able to hold onto all of them
-my theory at least
-my theory at least
The Commodore 64 and TI-99/4A are calling… (and SGI, Sun, and IBM are on hold)
that's a labor market for you.
M1 is such a success, that everyone else wants to hire you if you were a part of the team.
Good for engineers.
As for Apple, don't worry for them. M1 is developed in parallel with A, T, H other Apple chips, so they have their best teams working around clock on them (and chips we don't know about in AR/VR sets, cars, Homepods, etc).
M1 is such a success, that everyone else wants to hire you if you were a part of the team.
Good for engineers.
As for Apple, don't worry for them. M1 is developed in parallel with A, T, H other Apple chips, so they have their best teams working around clock on them (and chips we don't know about in AR/VR sets, cars, Homepods, etc).
This is what makes life so tough....there is never a "right" answer...just gray areas and you just hope that you made the right decision and don't end up regretting it years later...
Not just a lead designer but many M1 developers and engineers left Apple to other companies such as MS and Intel. According to Bloomberg, Apple tried to prevent engineers to defections by giving stocks but they rejected Apple's offer.
Not just few but many of them left and is it a concerning issue for Apple?
money? if you were offered a lot more money and a chance to make a name for yourself wouldn’t you change jobs? apple engineers are people too
Actually, I don’t think these numbers are unrealistic (not quite buying the AMD power consumption though). Then again, we know that CB is a benchmark where Apple Silicon severely underperforms, so I’m not surprised.
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Oh, I didn’t forget. It would take a significant amount of time and space to list all the examples
People forget that in the early days of personal computing, most who made their own CPUs made their own computers, too.
Even power consumprion for M1 Max is not true. Because CPU (not ram, gpu,…) draws about 27-29W in Cinebench R23.