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Rogifan

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That will work with online orders, but how would it work in retail stores? Say you walk into BestBuy. According to the Apple website gallery, you have 18 different stainless steel watch/band combinations to pick from. Is BestBuy going to stock all 18 different combos? What if the combo you want is out of stock? You go home without a watch?

On the other hand, if the watch and band come in separate boxes, then a not very knowledgable sales associate could let a customer walk out with only a watch and no band.

Logistically, the simplest way to ensure that every watch is sold with a band, AND that a customer doesn't walk away empty handed if their preferred band/watch combo is out of stock, is to bundle the cheapest band with the watch, and tell the customer they can use that band for now until their preferred band comes in.

How do we know every watch is going to be sold at Best Buy? It's quite possible that the only watch sold there (if any are sold there at all) will the the sport watch. I don't think Apple hired all these luxury fashion industry execs to peddle Watch at Best Buy.
 

phantomsd

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I can see one ordering it this way, I'm just not convinced every SS and Edition watch will come with a sport band. The gateway to this product is the Sport collection. I think you chose the collection you want, choose the finish, choose a size and then choose the band you want. And once you've made all those selections you'll be quoted a price.

The more I think about it. I believe AW Edition, since it's pretty much in a class of its own ($$$$ and how it will be bundled in a case with stand/charger) will come with a pre-determined band by Apple (https://www.apple.com/watch/gallery/).

- Bands contain gold parts
- Color-matched Digital Crown "button"
- Only sold online/in-store by Apple

Axe my idea regarding detachable/customizable Digital Crown "button".
 

Tanegashima

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That will work with online orders, but how would it work in retail stores? Say you walk into BestBuy. According to the Apple website gallery, you have 18 different stainless steel watch/band combinations to pick from. Is BestBuy going to stock all 18 different combos? What if the combo you want is out of stock? You go home without a watch?

On the other hand, if the watch and band come in separate boxes, then a not very knowledgable sales associate could let a customer walk out with only a watch and no band.

Logistically, the simplest way to ensure that every watch is sold with a band, AND that a customer doesn't walk away empty handed if their preferred band/watch combo is out of stock, is to bundle the cheapest band with the watch, and tell the customer they can use that band for now until their preferred band comes in.

Ever wondered what a statistician does?

But yes, that's a lot of SKU's!
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Also if the watch was packaged up like an iPod it would be difficult to try on and I think this definitely is something people will want to try on before the buy.

You know this makes no sense. They have floor models for this purpose. Did sealed iPhone retail boxes prevent anyone from checking it out before buying?
 

Piggie

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How do we know every watch is going to be sold at Best Buy? It's quite possible that the only watch sold there (if any are sold there at all) will the the sport watch. I don't think Apple hired all these luxury fashion industry execs to peddle Watch at Best Buy.


I have seen you make this type of comment a few times, and I really don't know why you keep making this point.

You seem to be implying that people who decide to shop in the Best Buy store are in some way inferior people.
That's a really bad attitude to have. Looking down upon a fellow human simply because of a store they happen to be in.

In the UK, it would be like someone shopping in Marks and Sensors or Waitrose for food, and them looking down on people shopping for food in Lidl or Aldi.

I've shopped in all types of stores for food and other products, and I've never felt this way. In fact the, what are seen as cheaper stores can have some far nicer items that are not for sale in the higher price stores.

Also, and this is the funny part, they often have the exact same products for less money. Why should I pay £5 for a box of cookies when the exact same branded box of them is £3 at a different store a few 100 yards away?

Because I would be deemed a less worth human being by you for being in such a establishment?

Again, I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think they way you brand best buy as a store that should not offer nice things to customers is bad and not needed.

I would like to think any store, if it wishes to, and feels it has customers that would be interested in such products, would be able to stock any of the Apple watches.

It's a mass produced little cheap wrist computer for gods sake, not the UK Queens grown jewels!
 
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Night Spring

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How do we know every watch is going to be sold at Best Buy? It's quite possible that the only watch sold there (if any are sold there at all) will the the sport watch. I don't think Apple hired all these luxury fashion industry execs to peddle Watch at Best Buy.

The more I think about it. I believe AW Edition, since it's pretty much in a class of its own ($$$$ and how it will be bundled in a case with stand/charger) will come with a pre-determined band by Apple (https://www.apple.com/watch/gallery/).

- Bands contain gold parts
- Color-matched Digital Crown "button"
- Only sold online/in-store by Apple

Axe my idea regarding detachable/customizable Digital Crown "button".

I do agree that the Edition watch will be only sold at Apple stores and maybe high end watch stores. But the regular steel watch? I expect those to be sold at BestBuy. But maybe the dark steel watch will also be an exclusive model sold only at high end stores. That's the only way it makes sense for the dark steel to only come with the dark link band.
 

Tanegashima

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Some idiot talks about a product that's it's his job to make look bad.

Apple watch I'd coming in March, right?

And the MBA is coming with silver bezels, right
And with just one USB 3.1 type c port, right?
 

Rogifan

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I do agree that the Edition watch will be only sold at Apple stores and maybe high end watch stores. But the regular steel watch? I expect those to be sold at BestBuy. But maybe the dark steel watch will also be an exclusive model sold only at high end stores. That's the only way it makes sense for the dark steel to only come with the dark link band.

Maybe SS Watch with sport band will be sold at best buy but I don't see the more expensive models being sold there.
 

Night Spring

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You seem to be implying that people who decide to shop in the Best Buy store are in some way inferior people.

I think the post you quoted only says what kind of store BestBuy is. It doesn't say anything about the people who shop there.

It's true that you could have as much money as Bill Gates but still choose to shop at BestBuy. But if you are looking for a fancy Rolex watch, you don't go to BestBuy, because BestBuy just isn't the kind of store that carries that kind of merchandise.

While Apple watch Edition isn't quite as fancy as Rolex, Apple does seem to be trying to position it as a luxury good. If it's true that Apple is installing safes in their retail stores to hold the Edition watches, then they are definitely too much of a high-end good for BestBuy to carry.
 

Julien

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...But the regular steel watch? I expect those to be sold at BestBuy....

I bet only the Sport is sold at BestBuy (and other traditional). The SS has too many SKUs and strap combinations. The Sport will be positioned as an electronics device while the SS and Edition are positioned as jewelry.
 

Piggie

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I think the post you quoted only says what kind of store BestBuy is. It doesn't say anything about the people who shop there.

It's true that you could have as much money as Bill Gates but still choose to shop at BestBuy. But if you are looking for a fancy Rolex watch, you don't go to BestBuy, because BestBuy just isn't the kind of store that carries that kind of merchandise.

While Apple watch Edition isn't quite as fancy as Rolex, Apple does seem to be trying to position it as a luxury good. If it's true that Apple is installing safes in their retail stores to hold the Edition watches, then they are definitely too much of a high-end good for BestBuy to carry.

That is a fair point.
There is of course no point in going into a store that does not stock the item you are looking for :)
I simply have no time for those who look down upon others because of the cloths they wear, places they shop in or their appearance.

You make a good point about security, I feel we are possibly overblowing the OMG It's soooo precious aspect of this just a bit, I mean do they keep iMacs and Mac Pro's in a safe also?
Methinks some people are getting just a little carried away here :)

As I've said a number of times, right now it's all speculation when it comes to price.

I think we are all smart enough to understand Apple are clever, VERY CLEVER with the way they use the English Language. Taking great care with their words. Sometimes, almost on the edge of misleading, but never actually crossing over that point.
Just very careful with the exact choice of words they use to describe something, and using the language carefully to make something sound as good as in can be made to sound.

"crafted from 18-karat gold that our metallurgists have developed to be up to twice as hard as standard gold."

That sentence alone raises more questions than it answers.

24k gold is mixed with copper and other metals to bring it down to 18k, making it stronger, and cheaper in the process as 24k is generally too soft to be much use in many things. So, Apple has asked them to mix it with other metals for a "strong mix" so to speak, and that's great.

Regards the actual piece of metal.

I would imagine, what is in most people's minds is a solid oblong piece of this gold, which is then machined away with CNC cutting tools to leave the hollow shell so that all the components can fit inside.

The only real question mark that's hanging over this, is what is the wall thickness of this gold shell when all the machining has been completed.

That's the process I have in my mind based upon what I have seen and read. I could be wrong, but that process would seem to be the only valid and legitimate process to produce the body of the watch I think we are all imagining.

Price wise, it's really all hanging totally on this gold wall thickness.
It can't be very thick, as the device is small and if you left the walls of the body too thick there would not be enough room to fit the components inside.
Likewise it can't be too thin, as then it would be too prone to damage.

It could be thin if it was supported by another material directly under it.
But I don't think most people are expecting that, as it would sort of be misleading a little, so I think we can dismiss the idea of them doing this.

As I have said before, "if" the wall thickness is just 1mm in most areas. We are looking at a 18k gold value of around $1200 just for the body itself, and you can use the $349 of the entire sports watch to work out for yourself how much making that $1200 into a watch would push the final price up to.

This is of course just educated speculation, and it totally and utterly depends on 2 simple factors.

1: How thick is this gold wall of the case as that directly changes the price.
2: How much, I call it "Fashion Tax" would Apple put on top, to artificially position it in a particular price band/zone they wish it to occupy when it sits alongside other gold watches, even normal watches in the marketplace.

None of us knows the answer to those 2 fundamental questions, and won't know until the say of the pre-launch show where we shall learn of pricing, and then after launch the teardown/dissection that will show us exactly the engineering behind the body of this watches case.
 

OllyW

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I would imagine, what is in most people's minds is a solid oblong piece of this gold, which is then machined away with CNC cutting tools to leave the hollow shell so that all the components can fit inside.

I doubt they will be making it from a solid block of gold. I would expect the gold case will be cast to the rough shape, then machined and polished to the finished size. That's the manufacturing process used for most other gold watches and jewellery.

We'll soon find out when Jonny's video is aired when the launch date is announced. :D
 

Dave245

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I'm guessing they will do another keynote for the :apple: Watch, to announce everything including pricing for each :apple: Watch, battery life and features that haven't been mentioned.
 

Piggie

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I doubt they will be making it from a solid block of gold. I would expect the gold case will be cast to the rough shape, then machined and polished to the finished size. That's the manufacturing process used for most other gold watches and jewellery.

We'll soon find out when Jonny's video is aired when the launch date is announced. :D

Yes, Now I think about it more from the ease of manufacturing standpoint you are probably right.

It would make more sense, as you say to simply cast it into the rough shape and just clean it up on a CNC

We use the same concept at work, we buy in Stainless Steel Forgings, then mount them up onto a CNC, machine away what's needed, cut holes etc etc, then they have a final smoothing and polish by hand.

Yes, I think you are right. It makes more sense that way, with less machining time, and less gold swarf to have to worry about :)

Thank you :)
 

Cashmonee

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I bet only the Sport is sold at BestBuy (and other traditional). The SS has too many SKUs and strap combinations. The Sport will be positioned as an electronics device while the SS and Edition are positioned as jewelry.

I don't disagree with you, buy how can Apple pull this off? They are the same except for the case. The stainless steel or Edition are no more collectible or special than the Sport really. Functionally, they are all the same, which is to say not special at all.

This whole high end luxury item concept is perplexing to me. Watch companies can charge what they do because of the mechanics, craftsmanship, and timelessness of the watch. I can't see Apple being able to do that. I think most that would spend that kind of money on a watch are looking for something that can be handed down, and something that appreciates. That is not the :apple:Watch.

The other thing that worries me is the last time Apple made a high-end item meant to compete with other high-end makers, the Apple HiFi. :apple:Watch Edition feels that way to me. Then again, Apple clearly is better at business than I am. I just keep feeling like there is something they haven't revealed that will make all of this make sense.
 

Dave245

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Debatable if history is any indication. They didn't do a second keynote for the iPhone, etc.

They will need to do something to reveal more details about the Watch, telling us about battery life, price of the different models and any features that we haven't seen or don't know about.
 

Rogifan

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I don't disagree with you, buy how can Apple pull this off? They are the same except for the case. The stainless steel or Edition are no more collectible or special than the Sport really. Functionally, they are all the same, which is to say not special at all.

This whole high end luxury item concept is perplexing to me. Watch companies can charge what they do because of the mechanics, craftsmanship, and timelessness of the watch. I can't see Apple being able to do that. I think most that would spend that kind of money on a watch are looking for something that can be handed down, and something that appreciates. That is not the :apple:Watch.

The other thing that worries me is the last time Apple made a high-end item meant to compete with other high-end makers, the Apple HiFi. :apple:Watch Edition feels that way to me. Then again, Apple clearly is better at business than I am. I just keep feeling like there is something they haven't revealed that will make all of this make sense.

We'll find out soon enough whether Apple is able to pull this off or not. They obviously don't treat technology as a commodity and feel people will pay more for better build quality and user experience. I would imagine Apple will really play up the watch bands. A couple watch-focus blogs that attended the event in September thought highly of the bands. See link below for one example.

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hodinkee-apple-watch-review
 

Rogifan

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Nothing they can't do on the website.

If they don't hold another event they're nuts. Just posting this information on their website doesn't generate any press, any buzz. I would think they would want some high-profile developers on stage talking up Watch and showing off their apps.
 
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