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sushi

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To overcome the problem, I carry an Airport Express. I really do not like being tethered to a cable dragged across the floor... and besides, my wife also wants an internet connection so we can share a single connection. Highly recommended.
Agree.

When traveling I carry my Airport Express. Small. Lightweight. Easy to use. It provides freedom to use anywhere in your hotel room.
 

flynz4

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Aug 9, 2009
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Carrying an iPhone USB cable for charging phone, netbook + its powerbrick is plenty for me - I like to travel light as possible. the MBA is a great computer, I just don't understand how adding wired ethernet, SD Slot, and another USB port to the design would weigh it down that much and all of these are really useful for travelers, which must be a target market for the MBA. I plugin a USB mouse + printer or USB stick all the time....

I have no use for wired ethernet at all. My external mouse is BT, so I do not need more USB ports for that either. I never print on the road... and for that matter seldom do at home... but I do have a color laser at home on the network... so my 802.11n connection is fine for the occasional printing that I do.

I would be dissapointed if the MBA got rid of the sole USB port. I certainly do not need more than one because one USB port can support as many peripherals as I want simultaneously. Usually that number is zero. I do not need the audio port, or the mini display port connectors. So for me... the MBA already has 3X the number of wired ports that I need.

/Jim
 

alexandero

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I have no use for wired ethernet at all.

Well, on the contrary the reason I can't buy a MBA is that the place I work at does not support access to the intranet and fileservers via wlan for security reasons. Therefor I'm bound to using ethernet - and no, using the USB-to-ethernet adapter on a daily basis isn't fun.
 

eleven59

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And if there in the mood to "keep up with competition" then they'll have the next Air equipped with a 8GB ram and 512 SSD option (obviously I'm dreaming) but the Sony and Dell Air competitors I believe can achieve this.

i know that at least Sony does have those options.. i7 2.66ghz, 512ssd, 8gb ram, hd LED display and bluray to boot.. all in 3lb machine.. sure it starts at $2k but hey, shows there is NOOOOO EXCUSE
 

deconstruct60

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True, but I think the iPad and iOS shows that Apple, while capable of doing the port, is unlikely to do the port.

Apple didn't write/build Rosetta. It was developed by Transitive (which is now owned by IBM.)

The ARM chips would have problems because, unlike the transition between 68K -> PPC or PPC -> even newer x86, it would be across a performance drop not increase. From a power consumption ARM smokes x86, but if looking at performance it is the reverse situation..

For the apps and performance expectations that folks were using 5-10 years ago ARM is fine to perhaps run translated. The iPad (and to some extent MBA) work in part because many people's workload needs are not increasing faster than the CPU performance growth.
 

n2arkitektur

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It seems like the MBA has been replaced by the iPad.

I don't understand those who say the iPad is the harbinger of the MBA's doom. Do people understand what the iPad is? It is a luxury toy. It is, at best, an entry-level computer for light computer users. It is for consuming media, email, and web browsing. It is targeted at older computer users who are not as comfortable with technology, younger computer users who are not ready for big-boy computers, and affluent consumers who already have a full-fledged computer and will use the iPad as a glorified toy. The iPad is not a full-fledged computer. It is not for productivity. The iPad and MBA are not in the same technological (or marketing) hemispheres.

Steve Jobs has all but said that the iPad will be the replacement for the low-end MacBook. However, I'm even skeptical of this. At the end of the day, the MacBook is an entry-level computer, but it is a full-fledged computer with a full-fledged OS. The iPad is a computer that is dependent on other computers for syncing and updating, so I really do not see it being successfully positioned as an entry-level computer even for those consumers who only use their computer for browsing the web, sending emails, and consuming media.

The MBA will not be EOL'd for the iPad.
 

sushi

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Steve Jobs has all but said that the iPad will be the replacement for the low-end MacBook. However, I'm even skeptical of this. At the end of the day, the MacBook is an entry-level computer, but it is a full-fledged computer with a full-fledged OS. The iPad is a computer that is dependent on other computers for syncing and updating, so I really do not see it being successfully positioned as an entry-level computer even for those consumers who only use their computer for browsing the web, sending emails, and consuming media.
Maybe Apple's line up will forgo the MB in the future.

Then the MBP prices will come down so that the MBP13 will replace the price point where the MB used to be.

So the line up will be MBA and MBP. And there will be the iPad.
 

eleven59

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Jul 21, 2008
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With an i7 chip, 8Gb of RAM, 256Gb SSD, and a BD drive the Sony Vaio Z goes for $4,799.99. Thats 2.67 times more expensive than the $1,799 SSD equipped MBA. Thanks but no thanks.


well i didnt say it would be cheap!! lol... just wanted to show that upgrades were at least possible in such a small machine, though the air is slimmer... hopefully a few upgrades to key hardware wont increase the prices from where they are now
 

Gaijin de Moscu

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Sep 25, 2006
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Curious. How many would like a 15 inch MBA model?

Would be an interesting choice to consider, for sure.

But I don't think Apple would add more sku's on a product line that doesn't seem very popular vs. others. A shame for people like me, who love the MBA despite its quirks.
 

Gaijin de Moscu

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I don't understand those who say the iPad is the harbinger of the MBA's doom. Do people understand what the iPad is? It is a luxury toy. It is, at best, an entry-level computer for light computer users. It is for consuming media, email, and web browsing. It is targeted at older computer users who are not as comfortable with technology, younger computer users who are not ready for big-boy computers, and affluent consumers who already have a full-fledged computer and will use the iPad as a glorified toy. The iPad is not a full-fledged computer. It is not for productivity. The iPad and MBA are not in the same technological (or marketing) hemispheres.

Steve Jobs has all but said that the iPad will be the replacement for the low-end MacBook. However, I'm even skeptical of this. At the end of the day, the MacBook is an entry-level computer, but it is a full-fledged computer with a full-fledged OS. The iPad is a computer that is dependent on other computers for syncing and updating, so I really do not see it being successfully positioned as an entry-level computer even for those consumers who only use their computer for browsing the web, sending emails, and consuming media.

The MBA will not be EOL'd for the iPad.

I agree with you. Two completely different purposes.
 

PracticalMac

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I don't understand those who say the iPad is the harbinger of the MBA's doom. Do people understand what the iPad is? It is a luxury toy. It is, at best, an entry-level computer for light computer users. It is for consuming media, email, and web browsing. It is targeted at older computer users who are not as comfortable with technology, younger computer users who are not ready for big-boy computers, and affluent consumers who already have a full-fledged computer and will use the iPad as a glorified toy. The iPad is not a full-fledged computer. It is not for productivity. The iPad and MBA are not in the same technological (or marketing) hemispheres.

Steve Jobs has all but said that the iPad will be the replacement for the low-end MacBook. However, I'm even skeptical of this. At the end of the day, the MacBook is an entry-level computer, but it is a full-fledged computer with a full-fledged OS. The iPad is a computer that is dependent on other computers for syncing and updating, so I really do not see it being successfully positioned as an entry-level computer even for those consumers who only use their computer for browsing the web, sending emails, and consuming media.

The MBA will not be EOL'd for the iPad.

I disagree on the "toy" aspect.

It is, for lack of a better word, a media terminal, and the ability to access any information you need at a moments notice in an very easy to use device makes it a very valuable tool.
It's data entry ability is limited, but that is more a benefit then a limitation.

The MBA is much better for light work, and that is just fine.
Question is, are sales enough to justify production?

If the early posters numbers are true, then it seems to be a good seller.
 

n2arkitektur

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Curious. How many would like a 15 inch MBA model?

No, thanks. I want the MBA for portability. The extra aluminum and glass would add weight. More screen real estate translates to more power consumptions, which requires a larger battery. That's just more weight. Those of us in the marketplace for an MBA and those who already have it, want it/have it for portability and no other reason. Also, the glass trackpad people have been asking for: more weight (I would assume) and thickness. The MBA is all about portability. I would recommend an external display for when you need extra screen real estate.

And, to those who have said the MBA really couldn't get any lighter, consider that OLED displays are a few years down the road, next generation battery (probably not even batteries anymore) technology is about five years away, and of course Apple could always use composites for the enclosure. Notebooks, across the board, are going to get more portable in the coming years.
 

PracticalMac

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The original copies of all my digital media lives on a 27" i7 iMac, and that is where I do the vast majority of the type of work that you mention.

Mostly... it is because of the 2TB diskspace, large monitor, and of course processor.

However, on the MBA I can do any of my workflow with the possible exception of video transcoding (I never tried).

I use Aperture 3 and the MBA handles it with ease. My photo library is larger than yours. My main aperture library is on the iMac, but I can easily export libraries and consolidate masters to do photo work in the field. I have no desire to have my full library on my laptop.

I have a quite large and very complex excel spreadsheet with dozens of tabs and huge complex pages with thousands of variables and extensive conditional formatting which the MBA handles with ease. There is no noticeable difference between it and the i7. I am in that spreadsheet many times every day, and it is one of the most complex I've ever seen.

Irrespective of what laptop I own... I will have a heavy duty desktop for many reasons. Given this... it just intensifies my resolve to have as comfortable laptop as humanly possible. I have pretty much completely stopped using my 15" MBP because the MBA is 10X the machine in terms of ease of use. My wife also has a 15" MBP... and she keeps asking me when I am going to buy a new MBA for myself so that she can inherit this one.

As far as I can tell... the MBA form fact is about as perfect as I can imagine in a laptop. I would like it to be a bit lighter, and I would like it to have 4GB of RAM. The battery life is just fine. If they made it an ounce heavier to give us a longer battery I would be disappointed.

I have owned about 20 laptops in my life, most of which were performance machines. In my opinion, the MBA is the very best by far, with nothing in 2nd place.

Having said that, I would not necessarily recommend if it was going to be a sole machine. Luckily, I do not have that handicap.

/Jim

Very informative, Jim, thanks.

When I listed Excel, it was not that MBA could not manage it, but the small screen would slow down data entry.

But you did underscore my point, the MBA will have limitations to handling more intensive tasks that need large drive spaces (>500GB) and powerful processors.

Still, you did an excellent job leveraging MBA with chunks of data to process.
Well done!
 

Macjames

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Dec 12, 2007
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I am using a first generation MBA for my sole computer now. I realized that I just don’t need a super-fast computer, I have about 30GB of iTunes Music, 5GB of pictures in iPhoto and Scrivener (a novel writing application) and that’s it. Life on my Air has been good, so much so my old MacBook is now in the hands of my parents. The hinge did break a few months ago (out of warranty!) and after a small bit of persuasion Apple fixed it for free!
 

theappleguy

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If the early posters numbers are true, then it seems to be a good seller.

I wouldn't rely on the validity of those earlier numbers. I'm not saying that they're wrong, because sales will vary from country to country and city to city. However, it is my observation that MacBook Air sales numbers are exceptionally low relative to any of Apple's other products (including the AppleTV). On the other hand, it is possible that you don't see as many people buying MacBook Airs because on average they are more tech savvy and buy online. Either way, I hope they are high enough to encourage Apple to continue development of the MacBook Air (even if it is just a minor update in the sort term and the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air merge sometime next year).
 

drjsway

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I am using a first generation MBA for my sole computer now. I realized that I just don’t need a super-fast computer, I have about 30GB of iTunes Music, 5GB of pictures in iPhoto and Scrivener (a novel writing application) and that’s it. Life on my Air has been good, so much so my old MacBook is now in the hands of my parents. The hinge did break a few months ago (out of warranty!) and after a small bit of persuasion Apple fixed it for free!

No persuasion should've been necessary. Apple covers hinge problems on the MBA out of warranty as their official policy.
 

Allan in T.Dot

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Jul 14, 2010
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Been following the MBA rumours because I'm waiting to get one. But again, it seems as if people have a misconception to what it is for. It's not a desktop replacement, it's an ultralight portable. It's not supposed to have all the bells and whistles as a desktop or a MBP would have. It does still need to have the basics like a sound card and video out (think about presentations regardless of USB sticks) so I hope apple doesn't decide to toss those out on a whim.

Some things I'm hoping for in the new revision:
-Faster, cooler processor;
-Better, cheaper SSD hard drive;
-Better, cooler battery;
-More RAM;
-one USB 3.0 port (if apple really wants to stay ahead of the game);
-maybe a better video card (but the last on the list)
-and everyone's desire (at least it should be), a higher resolution NON-FLIPPING GLOSSY screen!
 

bniu

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If they weren't they would've removed it. I think the Mac Pro is selling less than the MBA at this point.

MacPro is definitely a niche item, I doubt Apple expects sales to be that high. MBA is also a niche product, its market is limited.
 

cleric

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Jun 7, 2008
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Therefor I'm bound to using ethernet - and no, using the USB-to-ethernet adapter on a daily basis isn't fun.

Who cares if you are using ethernet you aren't going anywhere, so just leave the damn usb adapter in your desk at work geez.
 

Gaijin de Moscu

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Sep 25, 2006
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Geneva
I have pretty much completely stopped using my 15" MBP because the MBA is 10X the machine in terms of ease of use. My wife also has a 15" MBP... and she keeps asking me when I am going to buy a new MBA for myself so that she can inherit this one.

/Jim

You're a lucky man, Jim :) I "gave" the Powerbook 17 inch to my wife, but in reality we both share the same Rev A MBA.

I can't conceivably justify a new Air as I can't stand the thought of that 'raised eyebrow' silent look that the Japanese women have mastered so well (my wife's from Japan): another computer? :D
 
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