MBP 15' late 2013 - vs - MBP 16' 2021

[X3n0n]

Hi !

I have my 16 MBP M1 Pro from Day one, I had a Retina MBP 15 Late 2013 (2.3Ghz, 16GB RAM) so I can say some things about it.

• Same footprint ! If you have some sleeves for your old Late 15", they will match your 16 2021 (I have a Larobe sleeve that fit very well both models).
• Silence ! My fan never kicked in on my 16 2021, even running a Windows 11 VM in Parallels, compared to the 2000 rpm minimum on my 2013 rMBP. When you used the new one for few day and you power back on the old one, you notice noise from the fan for every little task (before the 16, this noise was OK, even low but now i'm used to the new one that make 0 noise, I found it horrible on the old one haha.)
• Display real estate : Obvisously, 1 inch more is bigger but less bezel feels like even bigger. Beside that, XDR display is gorgeous and Promotion is nice.
• Battery life : I still have my 5h battery life on the old one but the news one OMG this is incredible, I can use it well past 10 hours, mixing web content, youtube video, intelliJ development, docker container, parallels VM and stil no noise ! For Power consumtion, just check my "Intel power gadget quivalent" below, but it's really low (depend on your config, mine is M1 Pro 32Gb RAM 512 SSD, and your workload).
• I can unplug it late morning and still have battery late evening, allowing me not to charge it to use it again the day after.
• Power feeling : Every task seem to be easy for the computer, I have not metric to my point but you can find benchmarks everywhere. Heck, launching a W11 VM is really fast and inside the VM you don't feel it slow with 4 dedicated core (I have Parallel on my 2013 too with windows 10 - 4core of my intel CPU - it's usable for sure but feel like less snappy)
• Keyboard : I'm i BIG fan f the 2013 keyboard, I still prefer it now but the 2021 one is good

 

[bsmr]

I have my 16 MBP M1 Pro from Day one, I had a Retina MBP 15 Late 2013 (2.3Ghz, 16GB RAM) so I can say some things about it.

How much RAM does your new 16 MBP M1 Pro have?

EDIT: Found it - sorry for the question.

 

[cool11]

X3n0n, special thanks for this useful information!

 

[cool11]

Trackpad is bigger on 2021 model.
I hope this to be really more useful and practival than the smaller one in 2013 model.

 

[cool11]

I finally got it!
It is really an incredible computer.

I use it for a few days so I guess more positive surprises are on the way ahead!

I transferred my whole system from an external disk that I kept backups using the superduper application.
'Migration assistant' did a great job once again.

Question:
Giving the fact that the whole setup is the same and the external hard disk is the same,
what is the explanation about the fact,
that superduper needed almost 40 minutes to do the backup in 2013 mbp,
and it now needs about 20 minutes for the same task?

I mean, the explanation is just 'the new faster mbp',
or the internal ssd hard disks,
(even though they are working well)
the have lower speeds over the years?

 

[cool11]

One problem I had with 2013 model, it was that I had a lot of disconnections with usb devices, mainly usb flash disks and also hard disks.
Very annoying and possibly a situation to ruin the disks.

No such problem with 2021 model.

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Was the touchpad of 2013 model always such hard to press?
During the last months I felt my hands to have constraints.

With 2021 model, it feels so easy and soft to handle everything with touchpad.
Is it because it is new, or they improved the touchpad in comparison with older generations of mbp?

 

[cool11]

Is it just a faulty impression of mine,
that the screen on the new 2021 model,
keeps much less dust,
than the 2013 model?

 

[solouki]

What about power consumption? A brief comparison between them?

I am not necessarily talking about battery life, but as I said, how much power each one consumes,
or there are opinions that new mbp can even be powered by bigger powerbanks while this is impossible with the 2013 model, etc.

Hi cool11,

You asked in post #25 about power consumptions. Sorry I missed this request until now. From earlier requests I had put up a PDF of all of the data that I had collected, but it was too long to read, so I replaced the PDF with just a few of the graphs. If you are still interested in the power consumptions, however, I have reattached the PDF to this posting (post #82 of the "Stockfish patch to improve performance on M1 by up to 80%" thread); the Table on page 9 of this PDF lists various power consumption numbers for the various CPUs:

Stockfish patch to improve performance on M1 by up to 80%.

Hi all, I've had a couple requests for further information, so I am substituting a PDF document with more details for this post. EDIT: Corrected a left-hand/right-hand mixup. Thanks. EDIT: Recompiled Stockfish 14.1 with PGO to see what difference this makes over the Homebrew Stockfish 14.1...

forums.macrumors.com

Solouki

 

[darngooddesign]

I went from a 2014 13" to 16" M1-Pro and I love it. The computer is superb in every way.

 

[cool11]

3 months of use of the new mbp.
I never ever heard a fan noise, whatever I did!

There will be a hot summer ahead,
let's see how it goes!
But I feel very optimistic.

 

[cool11]

Any explanation,
why mbp 2013 gets hot when it charges,
while mbp 2021 does not?

I cannot even touch the aluminum body of magsafe when it is in orange color and charges the mbp 2013!

What it different, in charging procedure or battery?

 

[stoobysnax]

I have mbp 15' late 2013, with i7 cpu, 512gb ssd, and 16 gb ram.
Still a decent machine. But I cannot tell for how long any more...

I am ready to go for an order for
mbp 16' 2021, with m1 pro cpu, 1tb ssd, and 32gb ram.

I know, every subsystem of the new machine is multiple times upgraded and improved since my current machine.

But I want to hear opinions about of what I should expect in terms of user experience and working procedures, when I will have the new mbp.
I want to be psychologically prepared!

This was my exact situation... late 2013 to an M1 Pro MacBook.

The 2013 still felt snappy for basic stuff, emails, swiping between desktops etc... held up remarkable well for a 9 year old laptop.

But the M1 destroys it in everything... and now going back to the 2013, the differences are hugely noticeable. Mostly, zero fan noise and cooler, screensize and brightness, working area on the screen, trackpad, and then of course the chips... if you are doing anything with remotely heavy load (I run big sessions in Logic Pro) the new one runs circles around the 2013, naturally.

The M1Pro even beat out my 16 core Mac Pro 2019... so I just sold it.

 

[unlimitedx0]

Hi, I upgraded to 2021 16" MBP (Monterey) after late 2013 15" rMBP (Big Sur) suddenly died.

I'm still getting used to the Force Touch trackpad. When I'm highlighting / selecting a large area of text to copy & paste from a Chrome or Firefox webpage: before I'm able to select all the text to copy, the Dictionary app will open/pop up.

Is the solution to uncheck the Look up & data detectors option in System Preferences?
Trackpad > Point & Click? Or did something change w/ Monterey?

Thanks!

 

[cool11]

What is the power consumption in watts, for each one?

 

[pshufd]

I have the 2021 MacBook Pro that you're looking at, the exact same configuration.

Yesterday I did a power consumption test comparing my 2015 MacBook Pro 15 to the 2021 MacBook Pro and the results are in another thread in this forum. Suffice it to say that the power consumption was 1/2 to 1/3 for the same tasks.

You will appreciate Touch ID so that you don't have to enter your password every time you use it.
You will love the battery life if you are mobile.
You can use it on a carpet or blanket because the fans don't spin at all the vast majority of the time.
It's quiet.
It's fast.
It's a monster for 4k video editing.
It has great speakers and a great screen.

You will have to move from the Thunderbolt 2/USB-A ecosystem to the Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ecosystem and that can mean buying dongles and cables.

 

[pshufd]

What about power consumption? A brief comparison between them?

I am not necessarily talking about battery life, but as I said, how much power each one consumes,
or there are opinions that new mbp can even be powered by bigger powerbanks while this is impossible with the 2013 model, etc.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/power-consumption-of-2015-macbook-pro-15-vs-2021-macbook-pro-16-on-a-few-tasks.2373241/

 

[pshufd]

Trackpad is bigger on 2021 model.
I hope this to be really more useful and practival than the smaller one in 2013 model.

I used to always carry an external mouse with me to use with the MacBook Pro 15. I don't carry one with the MacBook Pro 16 because the trackpad is so big. I needed the mouse as sometimes there wasn't enough room on the trackpad to drag stuff to programs or move things around.

One other thing is that the keys are more precise on the 2021 MacBook Pro. They don't have as much lateral movement and are a bit more clicky rather than squishy. It's nowhere near a mechanical keyboard but it is a good typing experience.

 

[pshufd]

It would be nice if I could have an estimation of the % of better performance,
with the new mac.
Of course approximately, just to have a realistic expectation.

 

[throAU]

What is the power consumption in watts, for each one?

I own both the 2015 13" and the 14" M1 Pro 16 GPU core model.

Real world power consumption on mixed workload the 14" is much lower and it is much quieter.

On paper the 14 is rated at around double the watts of the 13" 2015 machine but unless you're pushing it hard, it is much more efficient than the 13" machine.

 

[Yebubbleman]

I have mbp 15' late 2013, with i7 cpu, 512gb ssd, and 16 gb ram.
Still a decent machine. But I cannot tell for how long any more...

I am ready to go for an order for
mbp 16' 2021, with m1 pro cpu, 1tb ssd, and 32gb ram.

I know, every subsystem of the new machine is multiple times upgraded and improved since my current machine.

But I want to hear opinions about of what I should expect in terms of user experience and working procedures, when I will have the new mbp.
I want to be psychologically prepared!

No Boot Camp or ability to virtualize x86-64 based operating systems (whether they be Windows, macOS, or Linux). There's a camera notch and curved corners and these things may or may not annoy you (software trickery eases this, but your mileage may vary on how much this impedes you). You're up to three Thunderbolt ports from 2, but those three also replace your USB-A ports. And if you have any USB-A devices, then it's Dongletown USA for you!

Other than that, it's an upgrade in every imagineable way and a total no-brainer. Congratulations on your well timed upgrade!

 

[throAU]

No Boot Camp or ability to virtualize x86-64 based operating systems (whether they be Windows, macOS, or Linux). There's a camera notch and curved corners and these things may or may not annoy you (software trickery eases this, but your mileage may vary on how much this impedes you). You're up to three Thunderbolt ports from 2, but those three also replace your USB-A ports. And if you have any USB-A devices, then it's Dongletown USA for you!

It's really not that bad now, with parallels installing release version of Windows 11 22h2 with a 1 click installer which has x86/64 emulation built in that runs plenty fast for business app use.

Yeah, its the ARM64 version of Windows, but x64 and x86 applications install and run - I've used it to run a p2p wireless bridge Windows configuration tool from 2007.

 

[pshufd]

No Boot Camp or ability to virtualize x86-64 based operating systems (whether they be Windows, macOS, or Linux). There's a camera notch and curved corners and these things may or may not annoy you (software trickery eases this, but your mileage may vary on how much this impedes you). You're up to three Thunderbolt ports from 2, but those three also replace your USB-A ports. And if you have any USB-A devices, then it's Dongletown USA for you!

Other than that, it's an upgrade in every imagineable way and a total no-brainer. Congratulations on your well timed upgrade!

I'm running Windows 11 ARM on UTM (free) and it takes care of my Windows requirements. It runs Windows x86 programs via translation, similar to Rosetta 2.

 

[Yebubbleman]

It's really not that bad now, with parallels installing release version of Windows 11 22h2 with a 1 click installer which has x86/64 emulation built in that runs plenty fast for business app use.

Yeah, its the ARM64 version of Windows, but x64 and x86 applications install and run - I've used it to run a p2p wireless bridge Windows configuration tool from 2007.

It's not the best for gaming, but admittedly, that's all I tried on it. And also admittedly, last I tried, they hadn't yet baked in x86-64-to-ARM64 emulation yet (it was just 32-bit x86 to ARM64). I'm open to it being a better experience. Let alone hopeful. I WANT the experience of using Windows on a Mac to not suck as that's a key reason why I've got a couple Intel Macs still in my arsenal.

 

[throAU]

It's not the best for gaming, but admittedly, that's all I tried on it. And also admittedly, last I tried, they hadn't yet baked in x86-64-to-ARM64 emulation yet (it was just 32-bit x86 to ARM64). I'm open to it being a better experience. Let alone hopeful. I WANT the experience of using Windows on a Mac to not suck as that's a key reason why I've got a couple Intel Macs still in my arsenal.

I haven't actually tried gaming inside parallels (have a high end gaming PC for that) but as far as running business stuff goes, its fine.