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I've heard from a couple of places that the second half of the year is when they start rolling out. I believe T-Mobile promises one "before the end of 2008."
 
awesome? i thought the OS was kinda slow when i saw the vid (the one where brin looks kinda stoned) on youtube.

in any case, i've heard that dell would make one.
 
^^ Dell denied that(but who really knows!)


But Samsung is aiming for early 2009....I'm interested who thinks they'll have one before the end of '08...since T Mobile isn't making the phones to run it
 
Late 2008/Early 2009, the first ones in late 2008. I think Android looks cool too, gonna get myself a Android phone when they are out!

And to those who say its crap or slow or whatever, its not even been finished yet! Its not going to be perfect is it?
 
I would be surprised if Android was any more cool or awesome than OS X on the iPhone. Trying to write software for all sorts of yet to be built devices is messy and complicated.
 
I would be surprised if Android was any more cool or awesome than OS X on the iPhone. Trying to write software for all sorts of yet to be built devices is messy and complicated.

I think the general approach to the phone market is WAY better than Apple's approach with the iPhone.

The Android OS is open from the beginning, and even based on the most popular open OS, Linux, and they openly released the SDK for free before the OS even hit the streets. Plus, there is no one "Android phone" or "Google phone", which means there will be a different phone to get for people who use there phones in different ways, not like the one rip-off phone you have to get if you want mobile OS X.

And, oh yeah, it wont be messy and complicated, thats what the pre-release SDK and emulator are there for.
 
I think the general approach to the phone market is WAY better than Apple's approach with the iPhone.

Ok, we'll wait to see, currently Apple has 4 million+ phones out there and many, many satisfied customers. Google has an SDK (well two, cause they re-released it because the first one had problems).

The Android OS is open from the beginning, and even based on the most popular open OS, Linux, and they openly released the SDK for free before the OS even hit the streets

Yes, this is a nice ideology, but it would be nonsensical for Apple giving away their intellectual property for free. Apple sells products, not adverts. Maybe Google has the better business model in terms of making money, but for Apple to try and copy this wouldn't work.

Plus, there is no one "Android phone" or "Google phone", which means there will be a different phone to get for people who use there phones in different ways. not like the one rip-off phone you have to get if you want mobile OS X.

There's nothing to say Apple won't bring out other, cheaper models of iPhone. Anyway Apple's strength is writing good software for their own hardware which they then sell as a tightly integrated product. They don't do software licensing, so they were always going to play to their strengths with iPhone.

And, oh yeah, it wont be messy and complicated, thats what the pre-release SDK and emulator are there for.

Well if your certain, we'll see. It's a bit of a bold claim considering the SDK has been re-released already. Also Apple has a 30+ year history of developing hardware and many years experience of software and operating system development.

Personally I think Apple's approach is better for customers. Get a product out in customers hands first and make sure it is working well. Then encourage third party development in a well defined, controlled fashion. That way is far smoother for consumers.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great for Android be a success and the ideas are very nice but I think you have jumped headfirst into the hype without evaluating the situation properly (especially as we don't have much to evaluate yet!).
 

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Ok, we'll wait to see, currently Apple has 4 million+ phones out there and many, many satisfied customers. Google has an SDK (well two, cause they re-released it because the first one had problems).



Yes, this is a nice ideology, but it would be nonsensical for Apple giving away their intellectual property for free. Apple sells products, not adverts. Maybe Google has the better business model in terms of making money, but for Apple to try and copy this wouldn't work.



There's nothing to say Apple won't bring out other, cheaper models of iPhone. Anyway Apple's strength is writing good software for their own hardware which they then sell as a tightly integrated product. They don't do software licensing, so they were always going to play to their strengths with iPhone.



Well if your certain, we'll see. It's a bit of a bold claim considering the SDK has been re-released already. Also Apple has a 30+ year history of developing hardware and many years experience of software and operating system development.

Personally I think Apple's approach is better for customers. Get a product out in customers hands first and make sure it is working well. Then encourage third party development in a well defined, controlled fashion. That way is far smoother for consumers.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great for Android be a success and the ideas are very nice but I think you have jumped headfirst into the hype without evaluating the situation properly (especially as we don't have much to evaluate yet!).

Goggle is throwing gobs and gobs of money into this. I really think it will be a success!

I think Google is picking up where Apple left off. Apple made a cool handheld mobile device, Google intends to create handheld mobile computers.





I am not interested at paying a minimum of $400 for the phone and being forced into a 2-year contract with a company I do not like.
 
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elppa said:
I think the general approach to the phone market is WAY better than Apple's approach with the iPhone.

Ok, we'll wait to see, currently Apple has 4 million+ phones out there and many, many satisfied customers. Google has an SDK (well two, cause they re-released it because the first one had problems).

The Android OS is open from the beginning, and even based on the most popular open OS, Linux, and they openly released the SDK for free before the OS even hit the streets

Yes, this is a nice ideology, but it would be nonsensical for Apple giving away their intellectual property for free. Apple sells products, not adverts. Maybe Google has the better business model in terms of making money, but for Apple to try and copy this wouldn't work.

Plus, there is no one "Android phone" or "Google phone", which means there will be a different phone to get for people who use there phones in different ways. not like the one rip-off phone you have to get if you want mobile OS X.

There's nothing to say Apple won't bring out other, cheaper models of iPhone. Anyway Apple's strength is writing good software for their own hardware which they then sell as a tightly integrated product. They don't do software licensing, so they were always going to play to their strengths with iPhone.

And, oh yeah, it wont be messy and complicated, thats what the pre-release SDK and emulator are there for.

Well if your certain, we'll see. It's a bit of a bold claim considering the SDK has been re-released already. Also Apple has a 30+ year history of developing hardware and many years experience of software and operating system development.

Personally I think Apple's approach is better for customers. Get a product out in customers hands first and make sure it is working well. Then encourage third party development in a well defined, controlled fashion. That way is far smoother for consumers.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great for Android be a success and the ideas are very nice but I think you have jumped headfirst into the hype without evaluating the situation properly (especially as we don't have much to evaluate yet!).

Jumped into the hype...just like everyone did with the iPhone. Except no one said anything back then :rolleyes:
 
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elppa said:
I think the general approach to the phone market is WAY better than Apple's approach with the iPhone.

Ok, we'll wait to see, currently Apple has 4 million+ phones out there and many, many satisfied customers. Google has an SDK (well two, cause they re-released it because the first one had problems).

The Android OS is open from the beginning, and even based on the most popular open OS, Linux, and they openly released the SDK for free before the OS even hit the streets

Yes, this is a nice ideology, but it would be nonsensical for Apple giving away their intellectual property for free. Apple sells products, not adverts. Maybe Google has the better business model in terms of making money, but for Apple to try and copy this wouldn't work.

Plus, there is no one "Android phone" or "Google phone", which means there will be a different phone to get for people who use there phones in different ways. not like the one rip-off phone you have to get if you want mobile OS X.

There's nothing to say Apple won't bring out other, cheaper models of iPhone. Anyway Apple's strength is writing good software for their own hardware which they then sell as a tightly integrated product. They don't do software licensing, so they were always going to play to their strengths with iPhone.

And, oh yeah, it wont be messy and complicated, thats what the pre-release SDK and emulator are there for.

Well if your certain, we'll see. It's a bit of a bold claim considering the SDK has been re-released already. Also Apple has a 30+ year history of developing hardware and many years experience of software and operating system development.

Personally I think Apple's approach is better for customers. Get a product out in customers hands first and make sure it is working well. Then encourage third party development in a well defined, controlled fashion. That way is far smoother for consumers.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great for Android be a success and the ideas are very nice but I think you have jumped headfirst into the hype without evaluating the situation properly (especially as we don't have much to evaluate yet!).

Jumped into the hype...just like everyone did with the iPhone. Except no one said anything back then :rolleyes:
 
Jumped into the hype...just like everyone did with the iPhone. Except no one said anything back then :rolleyes:

Actually there is a big difference. The iPhone is a product that can be critically evaluated. Android has yet to produce anything that the general public/media can evaluate. Also there was plenty said "back then" both good and bad about the iPhone.

And even if the first Android phones are as good and as compelling a product as the iPhone was when first launch (and I am not sure they will be as well polished), the Open Handset Alliance will still be 18 months behind Apple.
 
Actually there is a big difference. The iPhone is a product that can be critically evaluated. Android has yet to produce anything that the general public/media can evaluate.

Theres a emulator, aint there? Demo handsets that were shown at the mobile congress?
 
A demo handset shouldn't be used to evaluate the final product. That would be unfair. And like you said earlier:

True, but its not nothing though is it, it gives a general idea of Android.

When it comes out, you shall bow down to its almighty power! :D

It will definatly show Apple whats what! They cant just rip us off and get away with it!
 
Actually there is a big difference. The iPhone is a product that can be critically evaluated. Android has yet to produce anything that the general public/media can evaluate.

All we had from Apple was a presentation and a bunch of screenshots. Android has an SDK with a usable demo of the OS
 
Android = iPhone + some.


Look how integrated the iPhone already is with Google!
  • Maps
  • Safari Google search
  • YouTube
  • Mail

The phone is half Google!

Not to mention Google already has it's own Calender, Photo, and Document apps.




Who ever says they would not like OS X Mobile to be open source is lying to themselves.


Looks like Android still has months and months left of development, so we can only expect for it to get better and better!
 
OpenPhone

Google's gphone will be based on completely open platform.

Unlike iPhone, whose key areas, like wifi/wireless/ipod etc. are closed to developers.

by mid-2010 choices will be much much better.
 
The problem with Googles Android is, that it is so open, that there's no way to tell on which hardware it will run. So you will have phones with big screens, small screens, touchscreens or no touchscreens, fast CPUs, slow CPUs, good gfx chips or bad ones etc. etc.

Sorry, but in this case - and I am NO apple fan - I prefer the iPhone by far, a great OS on standard hardware. Every developer knows what to expect, every user knows that programs for the iPhone will run on his own phone.
 
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