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macrumors 65816
Nov 17, 2010
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I'm back to having apple ID on both.

I get what they're doing, this is exactly how I want to do it but it goes ot my phone whenever the conversation isn't active

i'd rather have it go to my phone only when Messages on OSX is closed :-/

I'll recommend this feature on apples site.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/
 

Tanax

macrumors 65816
Jun 15, 2011
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Stockholm, Sweden
Well on the one hand I agree, that is what people do... right now. On the other, I see where Apple is going with this. They're trying to "untether" us from phone numbers. Only then can we move forward technologically. That is, the freedom to communicate seemlessly between any internet-connected device. Think about it... with voip, you can call anyone from any computer, tablet, ipod, whatever. There's really no reason to use the number-based voice system anymore (other than that everyone already does). The concept of a "phone number" is outdated and should be retired. Of course, cell phone companies don't want this to happen. They make a lot of money by locking people into their plans and making it hard to switch networks.

The future is internet IDs (like an apple ID). Take it with you anywhere, use it for all communication (email, voice, facetime, etc) on any device. Apple is once again ahead of the curve and trying to force change a bit early.

Agreed with everything you said!
However, that is also kind of the problem. They are so far ahead of the curve that the change they're trying to force through is a bit _too_ early. Due to the fact that people use cellphones with a phone-number and not an email-address, the whole iMessage-deal creates extremely redundant information in our text-messages.

I've been trying to tell my friends to text me on my mail instead so that I recieve the text on all my devices, however, this creates several problems.

1. They will now have 2 text-threads for the same contact(me) which can be confusing
2. If they're using the email-one, they won't have access to the history from our previous texting when the number was used
3. If they're using the email-one, they can't send a regular text-message so they have to go back to the old one - thus creating problem #2 again but reversed

IMO Apple should instead try to integrate both number and email into the same message-thread. Have the message sent to the email as standard if there's an Internet-connection. All messages sent this way will be sent to all devices. If for some reason the sender doesn't have Internet-access, have it send the text to the number instead. This message should still be in the same conversation-thread, only that it's marked green as usual(and perhaps a "details" option for each message if you click it, where it will display information about what ID the message was sent to, number or email, etc.). Messages sent to the number will obviously only show up on the phone-device so the problem here is that part of the conversation-history will only be available on the iPhone.

There's a workaround for that. Have these messages that was sent to the number marked as "Offline" or something. When either of the phones(sender or reciever) has Internet access again, have it "upload" the offline messages to iMessage. If it's the sender who gains Internet access, the message will just be resent as a regular iMessage, thus making the message being sent to the email and pushed to all of the reciever's devices. If it's the reciever who has Internet-access, have their iPhone upload that message as an iMessage, thus pushing the message it recieved onto every device the owner has.

Voilá.
Some things obviously needs to be figured out but I believe this is a much better way to transition into an email-ID for phones rather than just boom bang like they're doing now - even if it's the future.
 

brueck

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screensaver400

macrumors 6502a
Jan 28, 2005
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Except for you, this thread hasn't had a post since Febraury, before Apple announced that unification. Even so, it appears to be an iOS 6 feature. I haven't heard of a way to add a phone number to Messages on Mac yet. That will presumably happen when iOS 6 is released.
 

Sound214

macrumors 6502
Jul 24, 2011
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Except for you, this thread hasn't had a post since Febraury, before Apple announced that unification. Even so, it appears to be an iOS 6 feature. I haven't heard of a way to add a phone number to Messages on Mac yet. That will presumably happen when iOS 6 is released.

This is/will be a Mac feature as well. Scott Forstall at WWDC: "We're unifying your phone number and your Apple ID, so if someone calls you on your phone number, with a Facetime call, you can answer that call on your iPad or even your Mac. And we're doing the exact same thing with iMessage, so if someone sends an iMessage to your phone number you can receive that and reply on your iPad or your Mac."

Does not seem to work for me under Mountain Lion GM, though. It's working like a charm on my iPad, running iOS 6 beta 3.
 

screensaver400

macrumors 6502a
Jan 28, 2005
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Yeah, exactly. Forstall said it, during the iOS 6 presentation. It wasn't mentioned in the Mountain Lion segment.

The feature is coming--I never said it wasn't--but only with iOS 6, not with the release of Mountain Lion.
 

Runt888

macrumors 6502a
Nov 17, 2008
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Yeah, exactly. Forstall said it, during the iOS 6 presentation. It wasn't mentioned in the Mountain Lion segment.

The feature is coming--I never said it wasn't--but only with iOS 6, not with the release of Mountain Lion.

If you're replying from your Mac then an os x update is implied. Releasing iOS 6 isn't going to magically add features to messages in ML (although it might be something as easy as enabling a feature that is already built in to messages but turned off).
 

Pressure

macrumors 603
May 30, 2006
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Well, to confirm previous information I can use Messages with phone numbers straight from my computer with Mountain Lion GM.
 

Nozuka

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Jul 3, 2012
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obviously the linking from a phone number to an appleID can only happen on an iphone, or someone else could just steal your number. unless they send some kind of verification code to your phone.

which is why we'll most likely have to wait for iOS6.

but sending from appleID to phonenumber works fine.
 

brueck

macrumors regular
Jun 15, 2010
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Well, it obviously has to be an iPhone.



Think we are operating under a misunderstanding. I am sending from my Apple ID to a telephone number.




Installed Mountain Lion and it just worked.

Yeah...I know that...I'm not talking about sending a message to a phone number from a mac. You've been able to do that with AIM for years. I want to receive the messages sent to my apple id and my phone number on my mac, just as my iPhone receives both, and vice versa.
 

screensaver400

macrumors 6502a
Jan 28, 2005
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obviously the linking from a phone number to an appleID can only happen on an iphone, or someone else could just steal your number. unless they send some kind of verification code to your phone.

which is why we'll most likely have to wait for iOS6.

but sending from appleID to phonenumber works fine.

This. iOS 6 will allow you to merge your iPhone's phone number with your iMessage Apple ID, from the phone itself. When that happens, OS X 10.8.2 (or whatever) will add that to Messages on Mac too.

It has to be this way. Why? What if a non-iPhone user added his cell phone number to Messages on Mac? Then, anyone who tried to send him a text message from an iPhone would end up sending an iMessage that only goes to his computer. That's a problem. Adding a phone number to a Messages account must necessarily only occur on the phone itself.

The verification idea is fine, and would be a stopgap if Apple wanted to allow sending iMessages from a phone number on a Mac now, but it wouldn't solve the non-iPhone user problem. I can't imagine anyone actually preferring to no longer receive text messages to their Android from iPhone users, in favor of them going directly to their Mac. So the verification idea would only make sense for iPhone users pre-iOS 6. I don't see Apple implementing it.
 
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