One trojan in nine years that barely does anything isn't even worth thinking about, much less addressing. At this rate we'll have our second one by around maybe 2015 or so. See you then.
OS X *has no* malware issues.
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One trojan in nine years that barely does anything isn't even worth thinking about, much less addressing. At this rate we'll have our second one by around maybe 2015 or so. See you then.
OS X *has no* malware issues.
Ignore lists.
if he's on your ignore lists, why are you in his thread?
Isn't the Ignore feature on MR broken anyway, in that it will hide the content of the Ignored party's post, but still show they posted?
I wouldn't know, since I don't have anyone on my ignore list.
It's not my responsibility to substantiate your claims. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but if you are too lazy or unable to provide your own references, then why bother.
Wake up *LTD*! Just because there is no malware/virus's doesn't mean that it is secure. Tell me why most internet IT experts and several guys I know who work in the computer industry (and use mac's) all agree that Windows 7 is more secure?
Tell me why on earth, when I first got my Mac, the firewall was turned off, and I didn't realise for about 2 months. Just having the Firewall turned off as default is a big risk to hacking; whereas Windows with it's security alerts and it's UAC, pretty much forces you to have your firewall and UAC settings turned on without persistent nagging.
No need to have it on by default in the first place. What is there to defend against?
An example of why Mac users are rather clueless and why trojans when writen for them seem to effect them so much harder.
I remember a few years ago someone posted a trojan on mac rumors and it infected a lot of macs. Unless you want to explain why it was always OSX that always were the first to loss in those hacking contest and not the windows computers.
There have been a lot of trojans put out there that infect macs. Now the Appel fanboys go screaming "Not a virus so it does not count." and turn around and count the trojans as virus for windows.
A vast majority of malware out there is in the forum of a trogan. less than 2% of all "computer Viruses" are true computer viruses any more.
Umm, there's been more than "one"...
But using your logic a person that has only had occasional sex is still a virgin.
Here's a video that demonstrates how easily a Mac user can be duped into installing malware on their OS X machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTeSYmQS820
Repeating the (bogus) claim that "OS X has no malware issues" just perpetuates ignorance on the subject and helps no one...
Umm, there's been more than "one"...
But using your logic a person that has only had occasional sex is still a virgin.
Here's a video that demonstrates how easily a Mac user can be duped into installing malware on their OS X machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTeSYmQS820
Repeating the (bogus) claim that "OS X has no malware issues" just perpetuates ignorance on the subject and helps no one...
There's still no actual problem. After nine years OS X has no malware issues. Of course, you can post videos of what *might* happen. You can cite one trojan from a few years ago, you can do all that . . . and it wouldn't change the reality.
Simply because there are many, many more people discovering Windows exploits. Therefore there'll be many more undiscovered OS X exploits.
This Windows 7 is more secure than OS X is BS. The built in security measures can easily be bypassed. No OS X malware can do that.
A lot? It's 2, and they're detected by SL's anti malware. What's it for PCs? 2^100?
And the reality is, Windows 7 is more secure than Snow Leopard. Not that that os a bad thing *LTD*, because Windows 7 needs a little more *umph* for it's virus's, but still, it is a known fact. And the fact that Windows 7 is more secure, means that Apple have been resting on their laurels.
MR just decided to censor a link to Let-Me-Google-That-For-You
For those too damn lazy to use Google...
http://www.securecomputing.net.au/News/159273,snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-which-is-more-secure.aspx
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-Bests-Snow-Leopard-Says-Mac-Hacker-121895.shtml
http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/snow-leopard-less-secure-than-vista-or-windows-7-says-security-expert
http://news.techworld.com/security/1798/mac-os-x-security-myth-exposed/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758
"So this shows that Apple had more than 5 times the number of flaws per month than Windows XP and Vista in 2007, and most of these flaws are serious "
Seriously - is there so much Google hate here that people wont even put osx vs windows security into it to educate themselves. Are people actually that lazy. Or are they just scared of reading something that contradicts the widely held but fundamentally wrong assumption.
Yes, it doesn't matter if Windows is vulnerable to 5000000 times as much malware as OS X, since exploits are everyday's threats, right?
Of those all of them are trojans. Trojans by-pass all OS security by user stupidity. now the stuff that used Auto run is a problem because those can spread a lot quicker but assuming you have to give it permission to do anything it goes back to the user stupidity up and it was a trojan.
Except that they easily bypass UAC but fail to bypass OS X's password prompt.
You missed my point entirely. You are making the claim: you provide the references/support. I'm not looking to launch myself headlong into a research project on security -- I want to evaluate your assertion and move on with life. What is the issue exactly with backing up your claims?
Your claim: (per security experts) Windows 7 is more secure than Snow Leopard. See my comments above. Frankly, it's not clear to me -- if anything I get the sense that they are about equal. There is a technical advantage in that Windows 7 provides an implementation of ASLR, but there are apparently theoretical exploits to it using Flash (reference above) -- ironic!
oops. From a new thread just posted.
Apple Airport Wireless Products: Promiscuous FTP PORT Allowed in FTP Proxy Provides Security Bypass
http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Mar/106?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Apple Airport Wireless Products: Promiscuous FTP PORT Allowed in FTP Proxy Provides Security Bypass
http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Mar/106?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I think many of *LTD*'s posts are a little over the top, but my user experience supports that OS X is generally speaking, safe. Yes, trojans and vulnerabilities exist, and they always will. But they are not an "every day" problem.
Every day I log into my messenger app and get "messages" from people who have somehow become infected with an MSN virus. Apparently there are even Facebook viruses. The other day I gave my USB stick to someone to copy a presentation and it came back infected with a VB script virus. I get spam emails with suspicious attachments. I've even visited shadier parts of the internet where one click of a web link results in suspicious looking files being downloaded instantly. Or that classic, a "picture" of a Windows dialog admonishing people who don't know any better to "download this now!"
Right now OS X is immune to ALL of those things. That's not to say it'll never change. In the future, it might get worse. But this is, today, already an "every day" problem for Windows users.
As for the claim that Windows 7 is more secure than OS X -- good! I don't know why people get in a huff about that. This isn't a contest. Windows XP is not secure, Linux is secure, OS X is secure, and you claim Windows 7 is even more secure? That's great news! The more people running secure OS's, the sooner we'll be able to get rid of these problems.
Every day I log into my messenger app and get "messages" from people who have somehow become infected with an MSN virus. Apparently there are even Facebook viruses. The other day I gave my USB stick to someone to copy a presentation and it came back infected with a VB script virus. I get spam emails with suspicious attachments. I've even visited shadier parts of the internet where one click of a web link results in suspicious looking files being downloaded instantly. Or that classic, a "picture" of a Windows dialog admonishing people who don't know any better to "download this now!"
Right now OS X is immune to ALL of those things. That's not to say it'll never change. In the future, it might get worse. But this is, today, already an "every day" problem for Windows users.
As for the claim that Windows 7 is more secure than OS X -- good! I don't know why people get in a huff about that. This isn't a contest. Windows XP is not secure, Linux is secure, OS X is secure, and you claim Windows 7 is even more secure? That's great news! The more people running secure OS's, the sooner we'll be able to get rid of these problems.
Clueless? We have much more than clues. We have concrete experience with Macs since 1984 and with MacOS X since 2001. I love how facts don't seem to matter to you.
As for your claim that trojans "seem to effect them so much harder," exactly which trojans affected the Mac so much harder and when did it affect the Mac?
First OS X Botnet
Every systems has its flaws. OSX had the java exploit, Windows had it's IE exploit(s), Linux had an exploit in the way it rendered PNG files wen they first came out.
But Rodimus Prime very astutely pointed out in the thread, the biggest security hole in anything is the user.
Every systems has its flaws. OSX had the java exploit, Windows had it's IE exploit(s), Linux had an exploit in the way it rendered PNG files wen they first came out.
But Rodimus Prime very astutely pointed out in the thread, the biggest security hole in anything is the user.