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Wow, that new Mini is awesome - think they'll use the case for the Server version as the new AppleTV?

Just a different board (A4 processor) and different outputs in the back (to match the current AppleTV)?

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Easily! Two of the big clues are the HDMI port and the SD Card slot in the back. I'm sure a bunch of wankers are screaming "Why is the SD Card slot in the back?" Well, I will tell you boys and girls.

The SD card slot is not intended for regular use. It is intended to hold DRM keys; HUGE DRM keys that the nVidia chip will easily decrypt in real time. I would not be surprised that a repackaged version of this has an Ethernet link to a Cable television provider CPE box and a kick ass WiFi remote. This new Mac Mini could replace set top cable TV boxes looking at the height.

Rash statement? Perhaps but I never cashed in playing it safe.
 
Price

The big problem with the ATV is dead in favor of the mini argument is the price. The mini is twice the price of what people will pay to fill their living rooms.

Take leftover iPhone 3G's, turn off the 3G, add memory to 64GB, throw the dock in with an HDMI out, and presto, ATV 2. :D Kidding (mostly).
 
i want the rumored iphone sized, A4 based, no onboard storage ATV, preferably powered off of usb from the tv.. I just want to stick the thing to the tv, I dont want to have to deal with a bunch of wires.
 
i want the rumored iphone sized, A4 based, no onboard storage ATV, preferably powered off of usb from the tv.. I just want to stick the thing to the tv, I dont want to have to deal with a bunch of wires.

My TV doesn't have USB - well, I guess I can get an adapter - but that's too much a hassle.

The AppleTV with the built in adapter was very convenient.
 
Take leftover iPhone 3G's, turn off the 3G, add memory to 64GB, throw the dock in with an HDMI out, and presto, ATV 2. :D Kidding (mostly).

Not so crazy. At least they wouldn't overheat and die. One of mine just succumbed to heat exhaustion. I'm now in that awkward position of "do I replace now, or do I wait?"

So far, I've resisted creating a thread about it :)
 
Not so crazy. At least they wouldn't overheat and die. One of mine just succumbed to heat exhaustion. I'm now in that awkward position of "do I replace now, or do I wait?"

So far, I've resisted creating a thread about it :)

Mine too - it "burned out". Decided to wait it out (using an old Thinkpad X series with a dock for the time being... ;) )

Saw the new Mini today in the store - you'd swear it's an AppleTV if it weren't for the disc slot or the all Aluminum enclosure. About the same form factor otherwise.
 
I'm feeling the need to chime in with my two cents.

I don't feel it makes any sense for Apple to replace the AppleTV with a software package to be installed on a Mac Mini.
First, the cost of entry for the media center would be way to high compared to other devices on the market.
Second, offering the iOS as a software package for osx would allow it to be installed on desktop macs and macbooks which would take sales away from the iPad. Just think what would happen if you could get iWork for $5 or $10 (I don't know what the iPad price is) instead of paying for a retail copy.
These two operating systems will remain on different hardware for quite a while, and yes, I believe that the future of AppleTV lies with a version of iOS.

Also, can't we all agree that Apple has no incentive to include BluRay or PVR functionality. This not only doesn't make sense considering their business model of digital distribution, but it would actually be a detriment to their sales and rental of digital content.
 
^^^ Yes, it's kinda like when the iPhone came out. People didn't want to have to buy an entire phone and service if they wanted to just listen to music, watch videos, and have PDA functions - hence the Touch...

Why buy an entire Mini (at the new wonderful price of $699) if all you want to do is to play media from your couch?
 
Also, can't we all agree that Apple has no incentive to include BluRay or PVR functionality. This not only doesn't make sense considering their business model of digital distribution, but it would actually be a detriment to their sales and rental of digital content.

No. We can't. Apple's main business is selling hardware, not pimping other people's content. A Blu-Ray Drive and a DVR capable Mac device would sell well. All this money would go to Apple, not Universal, or Sony or whomever. It would also expose more people to the iTMS so their sales in this arena would probably increase also. So again, you don't understand the issue and I do not agree with you or others who use this poor logic.
 
The good thing about using a mac mini for a media hub is its ability to use it for other things in ur living room as well. using itap app on your iphone gives you web browsing, email etc. Also, connecting eye tv gives you a pvr plus dvd player. use time machine plus eternal drive for backup.
I currently have my atv "hidden" with wall mounted tv with hdmi cable through the wall etc so use iremote app but i'm seriously thinking about the mac mini route.
The proposed IOS iphone based version of ATV maybe quite limiting, but cheap I suppose.
 
The front page news is interesting.

So maybe an iPod Touch screen-less = AppleTV?

Maybe use the same board in the Mini Server case... ;)

Possibly the ATV line changes to Time-Capsule as server/Airport Express-esque device as client - but maybe he next TC will also use the Mini server unibody enclosure (with a twist-off bottom allowing a hard drive change?)
 
Possibly the ATV line changes to Time-Capsule as server/Airport Express-esque device as client - but maybe he next TC will also use the Mini server unibody enclosure (with a twist-off bottom allowing a hard drive change?)

Definitely not the Airport Express - still uses a power adapter which Apple seems to by going away from. More along the lines of the Time Capsule.

Probably a new Unibody form factor smaller to house the new Airport Extreme, Time-Capsule, and AppleTV - just a scaled-down version of the Mini Server.
 
It's not so much that an Apple-Express type ATV client would have a power adaptor, it's that it would be the power adaptor and could simply be hidden out of sight (hence the bluetooth/wibree remote). If it's true the the next ATV only has a small amount of flash, then it wouldn't need to be anywhere near the size of a time capsule.
 
No. We can't. Apple's main business is selling hardware, not pimping other people's content. A Blu-Ray Drive and a DVR capable Mac device would sell well. All this money would go to Apple, not Universal, or Sony or whomever. It would also expose more people to the iTMS so their sales in this arena would probably increase also. So again, you don't understand the issue and I do not agree with you or others who use this poor logic.

I think there are several reasons Apple will not offer BluRay:

1. Jobs does not believe it has a future - he has made it pretty clear that he thinks digital distribution will obsolete BluRay and he has no interest in dead end technology.

2. Apple has it's own DRM schema and doesn't want to deal with the whole HDCP mess. HDMI doesn't need to support it, but BluRay disks use it. I doubt Apple wants go through licensing HDCP (and paying Intel for it) to add a technology Jobs views as dead end.

3. Adding BluRay means losing iTunes sales of HD content - in the end, ATV (and much of the other Mac lineup) is just a foot in the door to get the long term revenue stream from iTunes. Open up a second source of content threatens that; why do you think teh current ATV has no DVD drive? Apple wants to change how people think about buying content; one way to do that is to remove teh old way and leave the new way as the only option.

Of these, I think #1 is enough to keep BluRay off Apple products. Jobs has shown repeatedly that when it comes to his vision vs what consumers want today he goes with his vision. Given his string of hits I understand why.

Adding a DVR would mean including DRM to satisfy content providers (whom Apple needs for iTunes) and just confuse and piss off consumers when they can't transfer recorded content to iTunes and beyond. Apple pushes iTunes as the hub for all content; and excluding some would run counter to that. Plus, Jobs probably views OTA and Cable TV as on the way out; with a new streaming model as the future. So why add problems for a dying business model?

The real issue is, in the end, Jobs doesn't care what consumers want; or what incremental sales Apple will get from some feature. He will sell him his vision of the future; and if you don't like it go elsewhere. Of course, he plans yo make his so compelling that anything else will seem second rate.
 
1. Jobs does not believe it has a future - he has made it pretty clear that he thinks digital distribution will obsolete BluRay and he has no interest in dead end technology.
Jobs is wrong in this instance, I doubt Blu-ray will go away soon... not until we see similar quality downloads with extras anyway.
2. Apple has it's own DRM schema and doesn't want to deal with the whole HDCP mess. HDMI doesn't need to support it, but BluRay disks use it. I doubt Apple wants go through licensing HDCP (and paying Intel for it) to add a technology Jobs views as dead end.
Apple's computers and Cables are already HDCP ready I think.
3. Adding BluRay means losing iTunes sales of HD content - in the end, ATV (and much of the other Mac lineup) is just a foot in the door to get the long term revenue stream from iTunes. Open up a second source of content threatens that; why do you think teh current ATV has no DVD drive? Apple wants to change how people think about buying content; one way to do that is to remove teh old way and leave the new way as the only option.
Yhup this is true :(
Adding a DVR would mean including DRM to satisfy content providers (whom Apple needs for iTunes) and just confuse and piss off consumers when they can't transfer recorded content to iTunes and beyond. Apple pushes iTunes as the hub for all content; and excluding some would run counter to that. Plus, Jobs probably views OTA and Cable TV as on the way out; with a new streaming model as the future. So why add problems for a dying business model?
A DVR/PVR can be done yourself on the Mini for around £100 (for a cheap option) so it isn't 100% ruled out but then again it isn't in an TV :(
 
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