Lol a lot more then the nexus 7? You sir are smoking some good stuff. The nexus 7 is a work horse. The mini looks good and yes, while it has a better camera, resale value, thinner, lighter whatever, the nexus 7 make up for what's under the hood.
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Lol a lot more then the nexus 7? You sir are smoking some good stuff. The nexus 7 is a work horse. The mini looks good and yes, while it has a better camera, resale value, thinner, lighter whatever, the nexus 7 make up for what's under the hood.
I would imagine the Web browser on the mini is a good as my iPad 2 so in my opinion both are really great. Of course it'll look better on the mini because of its bigger display, but as far as performance both are smooth. But once you install Firefox is just game over, and butter smooth, add on support, read mode with tts and flash with the option to send more then just pictures and pdfs.
Since my family is a mixture of iPhone and Android (20 some members) everyone uses Tango. It's actually pretty fun to use.
Best thing that I love about the 7 is being able to pair it with my Galaxy SIII either via WiFi or Bluetooth for text messaging with mms capabilities and no I'm not talking about that apple messaging thing.
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I'd just like to say that you might not like the back of the Nexus 7 but I love it
That's why u install a smart cover on the nexus 7
Uhh...and the pro Apple people arent? Or did you mean everyone here is talking about specs not just pro android people. Look a couple post above yours....
I'll humor you though. I prefer the browsing experience on Android, you can default your own browser, side load flash to see the actual internet. Personally I like to dock my device and sit on the couch using a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard for displaying the browser on my television. Airplay might work for some but if I need to hold the device I'm going to need to be looking at it. So that might work good if you are tying to show a bunch people something on the net, not so much if you are just trying enjoy the web on a big screen.
Number of apps is either way. Apps like tasked, widgets, lock screen widgets, etc all exist on Android. IOS has a better selection of app store games. Android has a better selection of emulator games, ten thousand +? if that kind of thing interest the user. Personally I prefer android because I can't do on screen controls, I prefer using a game controller. For me it makes games actually possible to play...
I use Skype for video calls to talk to my brother that's a marine. All hen has access to is a PC, so I hope you aren't suggesting Facetime as an alternative. I use Facetime locally, its very easy to use between iOS devices.
I would agree, but I would add that most of my posts on iOS and Android (which are both operating systems and not hardware) mention how they run.
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I too had the N7 and while it was a nice tablet, I found the screen a bit too small for viewing web pages. Mine creaked as well and was from the inside of the back cover pressing against the components when you squeezed the unit. All in all I liked it but sold it on eBay and went without a tablet for a few months. My wife bought me an iPad 4 for Cristmas, and I was initially disappointed because I wanted an nexus 10, but when I went to SAMs and spend an hour with the N10, I just felt the user experience was better on the IPad, so Ill stick with IPad for a bit. I use an Imac27 at home, an S3 for cell, a Samsung series 9 laptop at work with windows, and an Ipad4 for pleasure. I love them all!
I miss the ability to customize the iPad the way I did the nexus, but when I think about all the time wasted moving widgets around, I could laugh. The iPad is for viewing the web and emails at home...nothing more for me.
The N7 32GB is still $80 cheaper($249 vs $329)
We have both as well. I think both are nice but the N7 is easier to use one handed and the screen is nicer. I dont know, im not used to using iOS anymore(been 3 years) and im always looking for the back button and cant believe iOS hasnt added one.
The buttons to go back seem to always be in a different spot as well(back arrow on left, done button on right for example) and there are also different gestures like in the App store, you have to double tap to get out of the app after clicking on "done" instead of just using a back button. I guess its fine if you know the system well. I just like the back button a ton better. The only thing the N7 doesnt have that id like is a back camera.
Im hoping the next N7 has a bigger screen because it seems they can make it bigger without making the device bigger. Lots of unused space on the N7. I could easily see it go to 7.5-7.75". If they do that with it being the same overall size...that would be awesome.
We have both devices and Ive no idea what the GPU performance is on either and dont care. The N7 is fast is all i know. Both are fast so who cares what the score is? Another benchmark geek.
Yep, i wish the N7 had that but it is $130 cheaper and i have my phone. The N7 and Mini wont be leaving the house very often, if ever anyways.
Yep, bigger and not as nice. The N7 is easier to use one handed.
LOL, good to know you have a crappy car. As for the Tablets, both have the same case on them. The Mini is quite slippery without it. N7 is not.
Not sure that is true but if it is, we are talking 1 or 2 mm?
This is not true. They are pretty close actually but the Mini is a bit heavier.
Yep
Resale value is better but the Nexus will get all updates and get them as soon as possible. Apple doesnt always give the full update to devices.
This is true right now but wont be an issue going forward.
Black or white? Whoopie!!
Agree, but as they hardly will leave the house, there is a charger most anywhere we are.
I use the N7 much more than the Mini. Daughter uses the Mini more. Wife uses the N7 more, Son uses whichever is closest to him but dont use either very often.
And ill add, on the N7 you can add more users and personalize it for yourself. You cant do that on the Mini.
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I was given an iPad Mini as a Christmas present, I am absolutely delighted with it, I previously had an iPad 1. I find that the size for my hand is just a tad (and annoyingly) to large for holding for any length of time in comfort, I can hold it with my thumb and forefinger though. I would imagine that the Nexus 7 would be the perfect size for my hand.
I like the Nexus 7 screen better. I don't know, there's something about the N7 that I really like and enjoy.
We have both devices and Ive no idea what the GPU performance is on either and dont care. The N7 is fast is all i know. Both are fast so who cares what the score is? Another benchmark geek.
Yep, i wish the N7 had that but it is $130 cheaper and i have my phone. The N7 and Mini wont be leaving the house very often, if ever anyways.
Yep, bigger and not as nice. The N7 is easier to use one handed.
LOL, good to know you have a crappy car. As for the Tablets, both have the same case on them. The Mini is quite slippery without it. N7 is not.
Not sure that is true but if it is, we are talking 1 or 2 mm?
This is not true. They are pretty close actually but the Mini is a bit heavier.
Yep
Resale value is better but the Nexus will get all updates and get them as soon as possible. Apple doesnt always give the full update to devices.
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You could've easily researched this before looking like a fool, but according to both devices websites:
iPad mini - 7.2mm, 308g/312g
Nexus 7 - 10.45mm, 340g/347g
So the mini is both considerably thinner and lighter. Given these dimensions and the fact the mini's footprint is 5mmx14.7mm different and you're getting a much bigger screen, I'd argue against the easier to use with one hand thing.
As for the GPU, Apple has and continues to blow all other devices out of the water with graphics performance. This leads to a smoother more power efficient device experience. You may not care about battery life, but my experience is you're in the vast minority.
Apple excels at high end style/feel and maximum efficiency. I had two N7s both with screen adhesive issues. Felt cheap (and it was). I personally prefer to spend a little more and get higher quality.
You can buy a Kia and get a good car. Or you could buy a Hyundai and get more quality. To each his/her own.
thanks. This is helpful. do you use the n7 and mini for the same things, or different things. I've only held them for a couple minutes in stores, and the n7 felt like a big smartphone while the mini like a small tablet. What are your thoughts owning both? What can you do more effectively on the n7 than the mini?
I think the build quality bit is getting to be more about perception than anything else.
I like the Apple products I own a lot. But I've had to return an iPad 2 and two iPhones within the first year for replacement. And don't get me started on what a pain in the butt it is to waste two hours at the 'always behind schedule' Genius bar.)
I like the Apple products I own a lot. But I've had to return an iPad 2 and two iPhones within the first year for replacement. And don't get me started on what a pain in the butt it is to waste two hours at the 'always behind schedule' Genius bar.)
That's why u install a smart cover on the nexus 7
I had that on for a while so I can have it vertical like you can with the iPad. I took it off eventually because it added too much bulk. That's a pro with the iPad, the smart cover magnetically sticks to the iPad so there's extra thickness from a case. And as always, there will be more and better quality accessories.
LOL, well ok. But lwet me say that i never knew the weight or thickness of either. These arent phones and they wont be going in anybody pocket so those numbers to me anyways, really dont matter. They are both in the same kind of case which is this so the thickness argument goes out the window.
As for weight, i did it by feel so maybe it is because the Mini is bigger but i thought it was close but thought the Mini was a bit heavier. Looking at the weight of each that you have, a Nutrigrain bar weighs about 28 grams. Pretty heavy huh? Thats the difference in weight there.
Hope you dont hurt yourself
Well saying "considerable" is opinion. Again, neither will leave the house as both are Wi-Fi only so they wont go in my pocket so moot point really....for me anyways. However, without a doubt the N7 is easier to use one handed. Without the cases especially.
One is wider and slippery with the aluminum back and the other is not as wide and isnt slippery at all. I dont really need the case on the N7 but i got one for each and the case i provided a link to , when you open it, it automatically turns the screen on and thats a cool small feature.
Yes the screen is bigger on the Mini but that dont make it easier to use. In fact for me, Android is easier to use than iOS because i use it everyday on my phone and the Mini dont have a back button and puts the buttons to go back and get out of things in a different spot all the time. I always know where the back button is. Same place every time but those are miniscule reasons. Im not real picky but some here are very picky.
Both are fast and both are good devices but we really dont play many games on either. Battery life on the Nexus 7 isnt horrible. I wont wear it out before im done using it so when it needs to be charged, we just plug it in. There are chargers all over the house since the Mini plug charger is standard on everything except for Apple.
Havent had that screen issue. I think both are built well. How you spend your money is your business. If you want to spend $130 more to be able to take pictures, great. Thats all the Mini can do that the N7 cant and as i said, you can set up more users on the N7 while you cant on the Mini....which if it is only yours, that fine too.
I imagine ill get another Nexus 7 down the road. Maybe when the new one comes out since they are more affordable.
Both those cars are bottom of the barrel as far as reliability. Hope you have a good warranty. I used to work at a Toyota dealer and those 100,000 mile warranties for Hyundai's are tricky....and both those cars are junk unless you get a new car every few years. But hey, id never buy a Range Rover either. Need a good warranty on those too.
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Yea, the Nexus 7 does have a better screen than the iPad Mini. That should be obvious.
Its also a nice device to try out Android on kinda like the iPod touch. Its not $500 and you don't have to pay for data.
No i use them the same. Use Skype w/ the N7(none of us have iPhones) and take pics with the Mini(no camera on the N7) but other than that, use them the same.
Cant really say what i can do more effectively than the other. I dont like iTunes so cant use that as a reason for anything. Oh, sharing things from the N7 is better. Cant really share things (Pics, things to Facebook or SMS.) on the Mini w/iOS. Actually there are many things you can share easier to others w/ Android that you cant on iOS.
We dont really use the Tablets as any kind of hardcore computing. We have the Macbook pro(13.3") and the PC for anything that needs to be done more than with a Tablet.
I also want to get a Windows 8 Laptop or PC.
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LOL, well ok. But lwet me say that i never knew the weight or thickness of either. These arent phones and they wont be going in anybody pocket so those numbers to me anyways, really dont matter. They are both in the same kind of case which is this so the thickness argument goes out the window.
As for weight, i did it by feel so maybe it is because the Mini is bigger but i thought it was close but thought the Mini was a bit heavier. Looking at the weight of each that you have, a Nutrigrain bar weighs about 28 grams. Pretty heavy huh? Thats the difference in weight there.
Hope you dont hurt yourself
Well saying "considerable" is opinion. Again, neither will leave the house as both are Wi-Fi only so they wont go in my pocket so moot point really....for me anyways. However, without a doubt the N7 is easier to use one handed. Without the cases especially.
One is wider and slippery with the aluminum back and the other is not as wide and isnt slippery at all. I dont really need the case on the N7 but i got one for each and the case i provided a link to , when you open it, it automatically turns the screen on and thats a cool small feature.
Yes the screen is bigger on the Mini but that dont make it easier to use. In fact for me, Android is easier to use than iOS because i use it everyday on my phone and the Mini dont have a back button and puts the buttons to go back and get out of things in a different spot all the time. I always know where the back button is. Same place every time but those are miniscule reasons. Im not real picky but some here are very picky.
Both are fast and both are good devices but we really dont play many games on either. Battery life on the Nexus 7 isnt horrible. I wont wear it out before im done using it so when it needs to be charged, we just plug it in. There are chargers all over the house since the Mini plug charger is standard on everything except for Apple.
Havent had that screen issue. I think both are built well. How you spend your money is your business. If you want to spend $130 more to be able to take pictures, great. Thats all the Mini can do that the N7 cant and as i said, you can set up more users on the N7 while you cant on the Mini....which if it is only yours, that fine too.
I imagine ill get another Nexus 7 down the road. Maybe when the new one comes out since they are more affordable.
Both those cars are bottom of the barrel as far as reliability. Hope you have a good warranty. I used to work at a Toyota dealer and those 100,000 mile warranties for Hyundai's are tricky....and both those cars are junk unless you get a new car every few years. But hey, id never buy a Range Rover either. Need a good warranty on those too.
Sure a nutria grain bar isn't heavy, but relative to the overall sizes of each device the difference is big. For example, the 3.45mm is almost a 50% increase in thickness from the mini to the nexus 7....it's all relative. I could compare both to my laptop I had when I was 14 (it weighed probably 10lbs) and obviously neither will hurt your hand to hold. You just made a stink about how the N7 was easier to use one handed - a claim that's a little tougher to back up with a device that's both heavier and thicker.
It isn't about what one device can or can't do - it is HOW they do it. I don't understand why people cling to this idea that one device can do things the other cant. I didn't pay $130 to be able to take pictures with my mini - I got it because of the Apple ecosystem, the tablet app selection, the quality of the device and the longevity (in terms or resale, customer service and OS updates).
And you obviously haven't paid attention to Hyundai recently - I have had nothing but good experiences with my 2011 Sonata.
You can spend your money on what you want - just stop with the nonsense that those of us with mini's are wasting our money on simply being able to take pictures. You've stated your use case, which differs heavily from mine, and each person's is different. Which is why these different devices exist - because we all have preferences about how we go about different computer tasks - when the truth is, the cheapest computer out there would be sufficient for most the population as far as specs and "features".
It isnt twice as thick. Lets use a measurement we all can understand. Well us in the USA anyways.
The Mini is taller which is no big deal as far as one handed use. The Mini is .63" wider and where the easier to use one handed comes in. Forget about how much they weight because w are talking about .68 lbs compared to .75 lbs. Each is not even a LB so if you have trouble with that, i suggest a workout regimen.
And i didnt make a stink at all. I just said the Mini IMO was a "bit" heavier. As far as one handed use, im sorry but the N7 is just easier to use with one hand. It just is.
Because its true. I can add more users to the N7, you cant on the Mini. I can use NFC on the N7, you cant on the Mini. Pretty simple. If the ecosystem is what you like great. Im not a fan of iTunes at all so that didnt entice me to it. Some people love iTunes and thats great for them if that is a big reason why they use Apples products.
I like Apples stuff, i just think the iPhone is too small and the iOS is boring without it being jailbroken and even then, it's not as good IMO as Android and while i like the Mini, it still has the same iOS and iTunes but i do like the larger screen, its just harder to use one handed than the Nexus 7 which is more comfortable to use. Both are fast so that isnt a factor.
I really like both devices, i just use the N7 a lot more is all.
Dude, i used to work for Toyota as early as February of this year. Im familiar with them. Seen them all come in all the time. Drove them all from Toyota's to BMW's, Mercedes, Audi's, Lexus, Hyundai, etc.
If you like your Hyundai, you will love a Toyota or Nissan (which are a comparable product and price range) or anything more reliable than those. I could go on for a long time talking about this but i dont really want to type a long story. Big part of our job was to know the compitition and Hyundai while better than they were, still arent tha great but they are cheaper. Your Sonata is only 1 year old...if that. Depending on when you got it. It better be working good,....... but this thread isnt about Cars.
Please show me where i ever said the Mini was waste of money. You need better reading comprehension. Did you catch the part where i said we have one? I said it was $130 more and the only thing it has theat the N7 doesnt is a back camera. It also doesnt have as nice a screen. Apple is higher than everybody else, that is a fact everyone knows.
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50% thicker isn't twice as thick....
As for the rest of your post, you said in there that it was your opinion. I think you just need to make that clearer....the fact the N7 is easier to hold one handed for you is your opinion, the dimensions of each device would seem to suggest the smaller and lighter device is easier to handle, but to each his own.
I have no need to add multiple users and NFC does things I can do in other ways on my iDevices (share photos and videos using bump or photo stream, pay for things with passbook, Bluetooth also has much of the functionality NfC offers). I think you are confusing MORE features with USEFUL features. Apple doesn't just add things to add them (especially when security and efficiency would be compromised - ie LTE and NFC).
As for the waste of money - your suggestion that I spent $130 on a rear camera indicates you think it's a waste of money.....unless you think a rear camera is worth $130. I personally don't, but I didn't buy my mini for the back camera....
I'm not trying to convince you the mini is some amazing revolutionary device that you must own. I don't care what you have. I just prefer not to be called "mindless idiot" for "succumbing to Apples marketing hype"....I'm relatively knowledgeable and make my decisions based on my uses and preferences, as everyone should.
You've listed one of the most appropriate reasons.
To which I'd add that vanity plays a huge part in Apple purchases, especially since they are widely perceived as "cool" by the pro Apple press & the general public.
You need a math class
.28" thick vs .41" thick is not twice as thick. If it were twice as thick, it would be .56" thick.
Only if it is too heavy for you...lol. Its easier to hold one handed because , once again, it is narrower and overall isnt as big. Neither device is heavy but perhaps your not very strong. I dont know,.......Each is less than 1 pound.
Much harder ways if you can. NFC is simple and fast. There is no way you can do those things near as fast not having NFC. But good excuse and a typical fanboy response. As for multiple users, ...it is handy if your share the device. If not, it isnt needed but it is a nice feature to have one device and can customize it different from another user so it isnt the same.
And Apple doesnt add features THEY feel you dont need. Took two years of customers complaining for them to get you simple MMS that they felt you didnt need. They also didnt feel you needed copy and paste for three years.
Please dont try and tell why Apple does things because you really dont know why they do it because other wise, why on earth would they leave those things out to begin with?
Seemed they thought you didnt need notifications either till they stole the idea from Android because people loved them.
They do what they have to, to keep customers and why they made the iPhone bigger though it still isnt big enough.
I never said you "wasted money". You need to comprehend what you read. I mean id have wasted money as well, right?
Again, did you catch the part where i said i have both devices?
Im simply saying the Mini is $130 more and it only has a back camera that the Nexus 7 doesnt have yet the N7 has a much better screen.
And you wont because i already have one,....... and i never called you a mindless idiot...LOL, where the hell are you getting that from? You even used quotation marks. Your just making up stuff now. Please show me where i said that?
Your reading comprehension really is something to be desired.
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You need a math class
.28" thick vs .41" thick is not twice as thick. If it were twice as thick, it would be .56" thick.
Only if it is too heavy for you...lol. Its easier to hold one handed because , once again, it is narrower and overall isnt as big. Neither device is heavy but perhaps your not very strong. I dont know,.......Each is less than 1 pound.
Much harder ways if you can. NFC is simple and fast. There is no way you can do those things near as fast not having NFC. But good excuse and a typical fanboy response. As for multiple users, ...it is handy if your share the device. If not, it isnt needed but it is a nice feature to have one device and can customize it different from another user so it isnt the same.
And Apple doesnt add features THEY feel you dont need. Took two years of customers complaining for them to get you simple MMS that they felt you didnt need. They also didnt feel you needed copy and paste for three years.
Please dont try and tell why Apple does things because you really dont know why they do it because other wise, why on earth would they leave those things out to begin with?
Seemed they thought you didnt need notifications either till they stole the idea from Android because people loved them.
They do what they have to, to keep customers and why they made the iPhone bigger though it still isnt big enough.
I never said you "wasted money". You need to comprehend what you read. I mean id have wasted money as well, right?
Again, did you catch the part where i said i have both devices?
Im simply saying the Mini is $130 more and it only has a back camera that the Nexus 7 doesnt have yet the N7 has a much better screen.
And you wont because i already have one,....... and i never called you a mindless idiot...LOL, where the hell are you getting that from? You even used quotation marks. Your just making up stuff now. Please show me where i said that?
Your reading comprehension really is something to be desired.
I need a math class? YOU countered me saying "twice as thick" when I said almost 50% thicker.....which isn't twice as thick. And you're berating my reading comprehension....
I find it quite simple to share multiple photos with my family across the country in a matter of second with photo stream. Just because you can't or won't understand how it works doesn't mean it's complicated or any more difficult to share than using NFC - how would using NFC work if wanted to share family pictures with your grandmother 2000 miles away? Not well I think....
There were other posts on this thread talking about Apple having us all fooled and talking like anyone who buys an Apple device has no brain.....by the way, quotation marks can be used for more than simple quoting of someone.
How about taking a chill pill, and laying off the attacks. I can see benefits of each type of device (and the benefits of having competition between them all) even if I prefer one over the over. I really don't care if you can or not, but take it from me - its a lot less work to constantly justify your preferences to others and yourself.
You don't have to prove anything to me!
Attacks? Dude you are the one who started off saying i was a fool. I never called you one name and didnt accuse you of saying things you didnt so who is attacking who?
I dont know how old you are but you should try a few things and apply them when replying in forums. Like how to use quotation marks and not making up things people say when they didnt. Some others may have said that, but i wasnt one of them because then, i would have "no brain"(see how using quotation marks works, you actually said that)
Look, i have a Mini as well...which i mentioned to you twice so if i said that then i would be saying i have no brain either, right?
Obviously using NFC wont work with somebody 2000 miles away. Not sure where that came from.
You can share pictures easily with Android too in a number of ways but that isnt part of this conversation.
Again, i like both devices, me, myself, i just use the Nexus 7 more. What you like is what you like and i really dont care which one you like. It makes no difference to me but you keep wanting to be very defensive.
So, i dont have to prove anything to you is what you said, which wasnt my intention anyways,...so, are we done here?
Thanks. Happy New Year!
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