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Mission Control: Is it basically useless?

KnightWRX said:
Uh ? That still works fine with ML/Lion. I use it all the time. Not to mention you can Expose + CMD-TAB too.

Have you people even used ML/Lion ? :D
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We must not be talking about the same thing! I have SL on my work machine and ML on my personal.

This is what I am talking about.....in SL when I am in Expose mode, I can click the app icon in the dock and then I am application expose for the app I clicked. This application Expose works also in SL by just holding down the icon at anytime as well, don't have to be in expose mode (very nice)

In ML and Lion, not at all, at least in the behavior I was expecting. It tends to bring up a menu with a list of what windows are open


I have it mapped to Mouse5.
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Good call:)
 
iisforiphone said:
im pretty sure if it wasnt its own desktop you would not be able to easily swipe left or right to other full screen apps
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Why not? Just swipe across desktops like you do now. :) Make sure the FS app you want in that desktop is the active app/window. If not, call up Expose' and select it.

Imagine using Mission Control now with no full screen apps. Just because an app isn't displaying the menu/toolbar doesn't mean it should get its own constrictive universe. Again, this is for no apparent reason other than to keep you rooted in iOS behaviors and avoid any contact with a desktop or file management outside that application. (It's headed that way).
 
sireShonBohn said:
Why, (I repeat, "why") do Full Screen Apps behave this way? Other applications have had full screen capabilities for years and have merrily co-existed with regular apps. Apple certainly didn't invent the concept of hiding a menu/toolbar.

The answer: Full Screen mode forces OSX users to use their windows like an iOS device. They are no longer windows - it's as simple as that. No Desktop, no other windows allowed. I find this disconcerting and very telling. The Finder in OSX will one day be gone and we'll be forced to manage documents from within that application.
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Yeah full screen mode seems to be more like a new UI concept that may work on single screen small devices but it is really inflexible. It is like Metro just that Metro (or however MS wants to call it now) has more to offer than plain full screen.
I used to use full screen to quickly snap an app to one screen and sometimes keep it there. Like play a VLC movie in one screen do everything else in the other. Cannot be done. Opera and other browser had for years the F11 presentation mode. If available it even used the presentation stylesheets on some web pages. Even in this mode it just behave like a full screen movie player nothing special.
I don't know of a single app that actually makes use of two displays in this strange mode. One is simple rendered useless. The argument of not to confuse users is really a bad excuse.
sireShonBohn said:
So, either the people here complaining about where OSX is headed (like me) are more brilliant than Apple's iDevice simpletons who get orgasmic over every new Apple offering or... we're just too stupid and set in our ways to "get it".

Personally, I'm going to try to stay on Snow Leopard until it outlives its purpose or my MBP dies (I can't install SL on a new one). Then I'll see what the non-Apple world has to offer.
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I agree. I haven't been long on the plattform. Some 2.5 years now. I was convinced by the hardware (great display) and thought the UI of OSX to be nice and sleek and well executed. I started with SL and like almost everything. I loved the touchpad with bettertouchtool and Alfred for launching stuff. I am definitely not one who doesn't gladly take any new UI design if I see a point it.
I was a big fan of Opera because they pretty much invented almost every single Browser Usability feature that exists today. I jumped on almost all of them.
When it comes to Lion and ML I feel like this will be the first and last MacBook Pro. Touchpads are now much better on Windows too and I personally see more promise in Windows 8 than in whatever direction OSX is heading.
I think Alfred is the one App that Windows 8 needs a true equivalent of. And a better bettertouchtool equivalent. Then I guess my next Notebook will be some sleek tablet notebook hybrid. Great for couch surfing and still good at handling 2+ displays on the desk.
I only wish there would be Notebooks in 16:10 or something again. 16:9 really is little screen for its length bag stuffability. I don't like small screens. 14" is the lowest I would go.
Besides that the graphic switching implementation of Apple also bugs me. I want something that can switch when really needed and not for any 2D crap that Intel can handle just fine. Though by the time I get a new notebook I will probably be okay with Intel Haswell's GPU and don't need a dedicated anyway for the little gaming I still do.
 
sireShonBohn said:
CMD+TAB could still be better if it revealed minimized windows. For instance, press CMD+TAB and each app you highlight shows a little row of minimized windows under it, maybe you can click them or hit the arrow key. Or just reveal all windows when using CMD+TAB as it currently is. Then you can swipe down right after and use app-expose to locate the specific window.
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You can restore minimized windows by holding Option while you release Cmd+Tab.
 
Let me get this straight: To bring up Mission Control, I swipe up with four fingers on my trackpad or double-tab with two fingers on my Magic Mouse. To bring up App Expose, I swipe down with four fingers on my trackpad, or... well, I can't bring it up with the Magic Mouse.

That makes no sense!
 
Mc

Seem to be missing the point.

CMD+TAB only shows what apps are running, it doesn't give you a visual of Windows of those apps, where as Mission Control does.

You know exactly which Desktop an app runs in you don't get with CMD+TAB.

Of course, some people don't use multiple desktops, which would make more sense to use CMD+TAB instead.:apple:

I use Mission Control all the time and its the single best thing about OS X.
 
Alameda said:
Let me get this straight: To bring up Mission Control, I swipe up with four fingers on my trackpad or double-tab with two fingers on my Magic Mouse. To bring up App Expose, I swipe down with four fingers on my trackpad, or... well, I can't bring it up with the Magic Mouse.

That makes no sense!
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You can, just double tap with two fingers on the icon of the respective app in the dock.
 
Krazy Bill said:
Why not? Just swipe across desktops like you do now. :) Make sure the FS app you want in that desktop is the active app/window. If not, call up Expose' and select it.
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Im confused lets say you have Safari, Mail, and iTunes all open on Desktop 1

you make Safari Full Screen, it would cover Mail and iTunes where wouldnt be any other Desktops to swipe too, if it didnt bump Safari to its own desktop
 
dukebound85 said:
We must not be talking about the same thing! I have SL on my work machine and ML on my personal.

This is what I am talking about.....in SL when I am in Expose mode, I can click the app icon in the dock and then I am application expose for the app I clicked. This application Expose works also in SL by just holding down the icon at anytime as well, don't have to be in expose mode (very nice)

In ML and Lion, not at all, at least in the behavior I was expecting. It tends to bring up a menu with a list of what windows are open
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Uh ? Works fine here on both Lion and ML. Hard to take a screenshot of it though. I invoke "app expose", then switch apps by clicking on the dock and it stays in App Expose only showing the new App. I can either click the dock or use CMD-TAB to reproduce this.

I've been using this feature since Lion. I find it much better than "All windows Expose".

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Alameda said:
Let me get this straight: To bring up Mission Control, I swipe up with four fingers on my trackpad or double-tab with two fingers on my Magic Mouse. To bring up App Expose, I swipe down with four fingers on my trackpad, or... well, I can't bring it up with the Magic Mouse.

That makes no sense!
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Set your bindings appropriately to what you want.
 
iisforiphone said:
Im confused lets say you have Safari, Mail, and iTunes all open on Desktop 1

you make Safari Full Screen, it would cover Mail and iTunes where wouldnt be any other Desktops to swipe too,
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I don't understand your dilemma. Simply drag Safari off to the right to a create a new desktop/space. Mail and iTunes could stay on Desktop 1.

I'm saying there's no reason why all 3 of those apps can't be full screen and share the same desktop. Instead of swiping left/right... you swipe into Expose' and just pick the one you want. (Or put each in their own "space" like I explained above).

For all the lazy people who want their FS apps confined to their own desktop by default (like they are now), a toggle in system preferences could handle that.

To me, this is how it should work. It allows one to truly categorize their desktops and all the windows/apps they contain in any way the user feels is productive and makes sense... not the way Apple thinks it should be.

"Missing Control" was dumbed down because of users like you that never used Spaces/Expose in previous OSX versions. (That's not meant to be offensive! :)) What is insulting is Apple assuming you and all iOS users are too stupid to handle this kind of power. :D
 
Small White Car said:
Ah, there's our difference. I hate minimized windows too.

I'd prefer if they just killed that function and then everything would be perfect. I think that sounds like the easiest solution.
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I like minimizing windows, I don't like managing them on OSX.
 
I wonder why they thought that it is too difficult to move Windows in MC to different screens.
With two screens you basically get two MC that act is if they where only responsible for their own screen.
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You can pick a window and move it to any existing desktop on the screen you are on. But the second monitor MC is entirely independent in that respect. You CANNOT move a window just from one screen to the other in MC. Spaces could do that just fine. Why not? I would expect that behavior.

If those spaces are so inseparably linked why is that feature missing. Makes no sense to me.
 
dusk007 said:
I wonder why they thought that it is too difficult to move Windows in MC to different screens.
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Because we're stoopid. :D

Seriously... I'm really beginning to think there are no OSX coders left at Apple that have used Snow Leopard much less worked on it. Either turnover is high in that department or they get shipped over to the iOS team. (or both).
 
I don't know how it can be done with terminal.

Install BetterTouchTool.
You can set any gesture anyway you want. I disabled most of the defaults in ML because they really don't work for me.
Like MC is four finger swipe down and I like to show the desktop on four finger up.

In the Trackpad options you can only switch between using a different amount of fingers for the same general gestures.
 
monkeybagel said:
Not sure what you are doing wrong. Works here on 10.8, as well as 10.7 and 10.6
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Yes, it appears that if you have multiple windows open in an app and some of those windows are minimized and some aren't, then no windows are restored by holding OPTION. Only if all windows are minimized is *one* of the windows restored...
 
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