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boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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Must I live on bread and potatoes too?

Meat and Dairy is a luxury. You don't need them to live.

You're the one who brought up the issue of food in the first place and implied that the 2 items couldn't be compared because one was essential, I was simply pointing out that neither are essential and that the analogy is correct.
 

Heilage

macrumors 68030
May 1, 2009
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... There is also lots AND LOTS of research going into formally verifying and testing the interface for software. Soon it will be possible to objectively judge HCI components in programs.

I've only had HCI 101 yet, and even I know that's a bullcrap statement.

HCI components are designed on a basis of user requirements, these requirements differ greatly depending on what function the thing needs to serve and which kind of user group they fall into.

Face it, there is no objective answer to what is the best tool for a given job.

But hey, if you want to keep yelling that a hammer can saw a plank of wood in half, fine.
 

MacHamster68

macrumors 68040
Sep 17, 2009
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What big mess is she talking about ? I use android for a while now , and cant fault it in any way , its what a OS on a smart phone should be like ..simple and efficient ..its a phone
A phone was originally made to do just phone calls then some clever guy's got the idea why you would need a computer if you could surf the web (wap) on your phone too , then came Apple and offered the first iPhone , and offered the people the whole internet and another couple thousand of apps with questionable use on a phone .
IF i want Apps i get a computer and not a phone in first place , if i want to make pictures i get a proper digital camera .
OK Apple is changing it with making OSX iOS like and soon there will be only one OS in Mac's, iPhones and iPad's , Lion is only a taster and if it sells good Apple knows they are on the right track for most of its customers
 
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decafjava

macrumors 603
Feb 7, 2011
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Geneva
What big mess is she talking about ? I use android for a while now , and cant fault it in any way , its what a OS on a smart phone should be like ..simple and efficient ..its a phone
A phone was originally made to do just phone calls then some clever guy's got the idea why you would need a computer if you could surf the web (wap) on your phone too , then came Apple and offered the first iPhone , and offered the people the whole internet and another couple thousand of apps with questionable use on a phone .
IF i want Apps i get a computer and not a phone in first place , if i want to make pictures i get a proper digital camera .
OK Apple is changing it with making OSX iOS like and soon there will be only one OS in Mac's, iPhones and iPad's , Lion is only a taster and if it sells good Apple knows what the market needs iOS 6 or 7 instead of OSX 10.8

Ummm you're contradicting yourself. Android phones also are phones with internet access, and what are useless apps to you are useful to someone else. No one thought smartphones would relace computers-some thought and think tablets which is also wrong but I digress.
 

robanga

macrumors 68000
Aug 25, 2007
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Oregon
She is not it seems known to be an Apple fan, so her even grudgingly acknowledging the 4S is possibly remarkable. Still depending when it was written

I like Android phones a lot, but they feel very wild west like. Not very polished and not not very consistent. Apple wins here mightily. Still Google has many OEMS and three of them are actually making a little bit of money building phones:

Samsung, HTC and LG

Course their profits are small in comparison to the market share runner up Apple. What an interesting business.
 

rhett7660

macrumors G5
Jan 9, 2008
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4,501
Sunny, Southern California
While I only use Apple products, OSX and iOS I will admit a similar chastising article detailing the restrictions and even shortcomings of iOS could be written (and probably has)

The approaches are different, not better
And each user is free to determine which model best meets their needs
For me, that is iOS, but I realize my choice isn't for everyone

Easy MacDawg... This type of thinking is unheard of in these parts.

I agree 100%. Take your pick on what you like. Plain and simple. Each has there pro's and con's!
 

zap2

macrumors 604
Mar 8, 2005
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Washington D.C
Terrible article, Android does not have one more chance, they have never been in a better spot.

Will they likely lose some market share to Windows Phone 7? Yes, but Symbian is going to be a large source of market share that MS will be able to eat into worldwide.

Apple makes great devices, but the Windows method/Google method of building software and having others build the hardware is likely going to win out in numbers alone. Although I think Apple will end up having more of the market then they do for PCs.

That said, I love my LG Thrive which was 150 dollars off contract and it's a wonderful device. But I also don't leave my house without my iPod touch.

Come december when my upgrade is ready, it's either the iPhone 4S or Nexus Prime, I'm still deciding, but if I could only carry my phone, it would be the iPhone 4S, but the Nexus Prime+iPod touch brings advantages like 2 batteries over one.

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There are things I can do on a Samsung that simply aren't possible on an iPhone today, or in the future. Doesn't matter if I compare my phone today with an iPhone 5, 6, or even 7.


That's a bold bold claim. Please send me the road map of the iPhone for the next three years, as that is the only way you'd know your phone can do things the iPhone will never be able to do.

Or share an example of one of those things the iPhone will never be able to do.
 

MacHamster68

macrumors 68040
Sep 17, 2009
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Ummm you're contradicting yourself. Android phones also are phones with internet access, and what are useless apps to you are useful to someone else. No one thought smartphones would relace computers-some thought and think tablets which is also wrong but I digress.

can you still get phones without internet access and access to thousands of apps , so i choose the least expensive option and thats a android phone and 99% of the time i just use it as a phone that remaining 1% is used for reading some email from time to time and to get warned if a ebay listing ends ..sorry i'm to old to make use of all those other gadgets ..sorry Apps , so investing in a iPhone would be a total waste of money for me , ok i understand some people use their phone only to 1% to do phone calls and spend the rest of the time on it with the other Apps ..just have to look out of the window there is a bus stop and everybody has some smartphone in his hands , but none are talking
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
This. In the grand scheme of things, her opinion is anecdotal.

It is, but she's not alone. There are some major issues with Android, part of the reason iOS does so well. We all know Molly's isn't some voice in the wilderness. When her anecdotal opinion is reflected by a legitimate and sizable majority, it is no longer simply an anecdote, but a reflection of reality.

Yes, everyone can have an opinion. Some are just more informed than others.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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Sweet. Call some of the biggest Comp Sci Universities bullcrap.

I still call the statement bull crap or you have a complete miss understanding of it.

HCI no matter how you cut with research it is very objective based on who your intended user group is. No user group wants the same thing. You should know that. It depends heavily on the targeted user group. You should read the studies on HCI and you will noticed they are very clear on their targeted user groups.
Apple treats everyone like they are stupid idiots and you have no freedom.
Increase the geek level and computer understanding and people want different things. Take my Computer Science and Comp Eng classes. Class of 30 and the least popular smart phone OS is iOS. Most popular is Android. Yes iOS is being beaten out by Windows Phone, Blackberry, and Android. We do have a handful of webOS people but iOS does beat that user group out. On top of that most of the non iOS people have little interest in going to the iPhone. Now there is talk about jumping from Windows Phone from both the blackberry and Android user groups.
 

qtx43

macrumors 6502a
Aug 4, 2007
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... Now there is talk about jumping from Windows Phone from both the blackberry and Android user groups.
I assume you meant 'to' windows. Kind of ironic, given how much I've hated Windows over the years, but it could happen, and it could be an improvement. Google's every bit as bad as MS ever was, in slightly different ways.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
I assume you meant 'to' windows. Kind of ironic, given how much I've hated Windows over the years, but it could happen, and it could be an improvement. Google's every bit as bad as MS ever was, in slightly different ways.

yeah I meant 'to' stupid dyslexia and me doing some edits. That got missed.

Windows Phone 7 is really pretty nice and MS has provide some really great tools to program for it. Of the smart phone OS it is the really the only one that has even tried to move away from the grid icon based system that has been in use since well the palm days.
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
The statistics in the analogy are flawed, therefore the analogy itself is flawed.
Really? So Coke isn't outselling Pepsi in the US? Of course that's pretty beside the point as you still refuse to see the forest for the trees.

It boils down to this, personal preference is basically an opinion which is totally subjective.


Lethal
 

chrono1081

macrumors G3
Jan 26, 2008
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5,191
Isla Nublar
I would say its a company once again not truly understanding their users and target market.

Recent Examples: Wave, Google+, GO Language.



Poppycock. Open and "Free" does not translate to *****. Android is a mess because of Google's lack of strong leadership.

I have to agree with this. The "open and free" argument is ridiculous since most people use Android as a regular phone not to tinker with.

Google has long promised to help thwart the extreme fragmentation issue but has yet to do so. Sure, the end user may not directly see the fragmentation issue (since some seem to think its a myth) but I assure you the developers do.

I would love to be able to release a game I've been working on for both iOS and Android at the same time, but the fragmentation of Android prevents that.

Sure the game works on some phones, but without a minimum guaranteed performance standard on Android I cant guarantee which phones it will work on, which it won't, and which it will have issues on. As an indie dev I don't have the resources to test it all so unfortunately launching on Android as of now is not a possibility.

And this is where users get affected. Devs shy away because Google hasn't been keeping up with the promised changes.

"Open and free" sounds great until you realize the side effect is fragmentation. All Google needs to do is implement minimum performance standards on handsets, but if they do then people will throw a fit that Android isn't open anymore and we are back to square one.
 

Liquorpuki

macrumors 68020
Jun 18, 2009
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City of Angels
I have to agree with this. The "open and free" argument is ridiculous since most people use Android as a regular phone not to tinker with.

Google has long promised to help thwart the extreme fragmentation issue but has yet to do so. Sure, the end user may not directly see the fragmentation issue (since some seem to think its a myth) but I assure you the developers do.

I would love to be able to release a game I've been working on for both iOS and Android at the same time, but the fragmentation of Android prevents that.

Sure the game works on some phones, but without a minimum guaranteed performance standard on Android I cant guarantee which phones it will work on, which it won't, and which it will have issues on. As an indie dev I don't have the resources to test it all so unfortunately launching on Android as of now is not a possibility.

And this is where users get affected. Devs shy away because Google hasn't been keeping up with the promised changes.

"Open and free" sounds great until you realize the side effect is fragmentation. All Google needs to do is implement minimum performance standards on handsets, but if they do then people will throw a fit that Android isn't open anymore and we are back to square one.

Basically Windows Mobile all over again
 
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