Monterey seems pretty meh.

[fisherking]

lol I am just joking since people were so mad when Apple took it away a few years ago. I think this was in 2016.

But yeah essentially a truly always on device, maybe some additional graphical effects or tasks that can better be handled by the gpu on the operating system itself since we have such a leap in terms of performance in that area over Intel igpu. Potentially integrating cellular across all models etc.

Very exciting times for the mac ahead IMO. The only thing that kept me back from the new notchbooks is the lack of Face ID. Once that is in, I am in.

why would your mac need to be always on? (not saying we're not headed that way). if you're off of it for, say, four hours, what does it need to do? (& there is power nap).

but amazing to me that someone would reject the macbook because there's no face id. i don't care how i sign into my mac, it's the work (& play) i do once signed in that matters.

 

[0423MAC]

why would your mac need to be always on? (not saying we're not headed that way). if you're off of it for, say, four hours, what does it need to do? (& there is power nap).

but amazing to me that someone would reject the macbook because there's no face id. i don't care how i sign into my mac, it's the work (& play) i do once signed in that matters.

To the first question - because it can. I believe it was Jobs himself that pressed the Mac team way back in the day to shorten the boot up sequence by a few seconds. A few seconds to the individual doesn’t seem to make a big difference, but collectively around the world you are looking at orders of magnitude amount of time saved over the lifetime of the machines. That’s essentially what we are seeing on our iPhones and iPads today. Pick it up, boom you are in. To have that on the mac possibly with a cellular option would be a wonderful experience 🙂

Found the story, “Bend Reality” section:
https://hbr.org/amp/2012/04/the-real-leadership-lessons-of-steve-jobs

Rejecting is probably too strong a word as I tend to lag behind on my mac purchases because of the irrational selling behavior I see once new models are introduced. Getting an M1 MBP locally on my end for $600 was too good to pass up so I jumped on that for my first AS MacBook.

Any irrational behavior on the next release I might very well see a tempting offer I can’t refuse on these 2021 models 😉.

 

[fisherking]

To the first question - because it can. I believe it was Jobs himself that pressed the Mac team way back in the day to shorten the boot up sequence by a few seconds. A few seconds to the individual doesn’t seem to make a big difference, but collectively around the world you are looking at orders of magnitude amount of time saved over the lifetime of the machines. That’s essentially what we are seeing on our iPhones and iPads today. Pick it up, boom you are in. To have that on the mac possibly with a cellular option would be a wonderful experience 🙂

i open the lid on my mac, and it's awake. or i click the mouse, and my imac is awake. if that can get faster... cool. but there's a difference between a fast boot time and 'always on'... unless we get a screen on the lid that shows the time, messages waiting, etc. and am in no hurry (pun intended) to see that...

 

[Jonas07]

whining is great, isn't it? do people not understand that OSes move forward mostly under-the-hood? that, how an OS behaves is infinitely more important than new features, or GUI changes to, for example, safari (which i like, btw)...

monterey is running fast and stable here... which matters to me, so i can run the apps i need well (many of them apple defaults).

anyway, this years whining is just last years whining revisited. just subsitute, "big sur" for "monterey". and, in a year, "monterey" for whatevers next. and so on and so on...

Same big sur so why not keep big sur with updates instead a new OS with a purple wallpaper and useless features like the earth globe on Apple maps with new bugs coming out in the following weeks...

 

[Tagbert]

Meh is good for an OS update. You don't want the update of interesting times.

 

[me22]

Same big sur so why not keep big sur with updates instead a new OS with a purple wallpaper and useless features like the earth globe on Apple maps with new bugs coming out in the following weeks...

Because there are many small new features that developers get to take advantage of when building their apps for a new major OS release, and it makes more sense for them to be able to target 12.0+ rather than 11.23.5+ or whatever.

That's what operating systems are for.

And here you are complaining about a wallpaper you can change and a feature you don't have to use.

 

[0423MAC]

i open the lid on my mac, and it's awake. or i click the mouse, and my imac is awake. if that can get faster... cool. but there's a difference between a fast boot time and 'always on'... unless we get a screen on the lid that shows the time, messages waiting, etc. and am in no hurry (pun intended) to see that...

I hear you, but eliminating steps in the process will always be welcomed by the majority 🤷‍♂

I personally think the more interesting points of conversation is pointing to what Apple decides to do next now that the touch bar is going away. Touchscreens seem unlikely.

I personally think the keyboard change on these macbooks might be pointing towards something in the future. Tiny, pressable squares of glass along the top row? reimaged to your liking depending on the application? Can someone potentially perform a scrubbing motion on the individual keys? Similar to those thinkpads with the trackpoints.

That top row was always a little too narrow vetically in the past, but no longer the case.

 

[fisherking]

I hear you, but eliminating steps in the process will always be welcomed by the majority 🤷‍♂

what steps, what process?? my macbook is awake before i have the lid fully open. the imac wakes when i touch the mouse or keyboard. what else is there? anyway, no use going back & forth on this; just don't get your point.

 

[kriebe]

whining is great, isn't it? do people not understand that OSes move forward mostly under-the-hood? that, how an OS behaves is infinitely more important than new features, or GUI changes to, for example, safari (which i like, btw)...

monterey is running fast and stable here... which matters to me, so i can run the apps i need well (many of them apple defaults).

anyway, this years whining is just last years whining revisited. just subsitute, "big sur" for "monterey". and, in a year, "monterey" for whatevers next. and so on and so on...

You do realize you're whining about people supposedly whining, right?

Are people not allowed to voice their opinions?

Congratulations on being special and pointing out the obvious about "under-the-hood" updates.

I'll be sure to ask you from now on when my opinion is valid enough to post.

 

[jdoyle]

I updated on my 5k iMac ( Late 2015) from Big Sur and Ive decided to downgrade back. There is nothing I need in this release and I've taken a significant performance hit. Over time Big Sur has performed better and better with each update on this ageing machine to the point it was really zippy. This seems like a step backwards. I thought it might be at least the same as Big Sur which is what a lot of the online chatter said. But its very sluggish for me. Many bounces to launch apps. Noticeably delay loading finder windows. I want my Big Sur back!

 

[fisherking]

You do realize you're whining about people supposedly whining, right?

Are people not allowed to voice their opinions?

Congratulations on being special and pointing out the obvious about "under-the-hood" updates.

I'll be sure to ask you from now on when my opinion is valid enough to post.

am open to better ways to express disappointment with whiny posts.

and opinions are great, even when they're not the same as mine! but whining is dull, and pointless.

if 'under the hood' was so obvious, why did you ignore it in your earlier post?

and am no more special than anyone else... ie, pretty special. and yes, feel free to check with me before posting.

 

[lehenri]

New here, and just made the switch from a frankeinstein 2012 unibody mbp on Mojave to a M1 air a few days ago, and oh am I underwhelmed.

Underwhelmed with the physical changes made (namely F row keys changes), and underwhelmed with the OS "improvements". Just the mOS 12 lock is frustrating enough. My machine shipped with Big Sur, I tinkered a few hours with it, got Monterey to try it out, only to find out I couldn't just reinstall a previous OS in a few minutes with a USB stick or Internet recovery*.

Now I won't rant endlessly because I'm quite out of the OS game since Catalina tanked my previous mbp, so I'm not sure about the Monterey-ness of all of the changes, but I have got the feeling that apple is in fact making an iOS device out of my mac and I don't quite like it.

Most new apps and features aren't relevant to me. Shortcuts is still a question mark, but I have a full app folder of preloaded bloat I will never use and it's getting bigger each update. Otherwise, OS tweaks, like the control center, often add steps to previously simple actions.

Now I'm much more impressed with performance and battery life, but the more I read about it, the more I think the hardware does most of the work...

*EDIT*
I was able to revert but it "only" took another mac (bc monterey won't let you run bigsur's createinstallmedia) and the recovery partition is still monterey if you don't use the DFU mode and apple configurator, which also necessitates another mac and a supported cable...