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I also have Cingular, family plan (700 minutes) with 2 other phones on the same package (3 total). I pay $160.01 or something like that for unlimited data plan, 700 family plan, insurance on 2 phones (pda does not offer insurance), text messaging package as well, that's with taxes.

I used my laptop the whole way up to North Carolina from Florida, stayed connected (using my Cingular 8125 as a modem) was about a 9 hour drive and never reconnected once :) checked my email / completed msn meeting and had to use putty a few times (windows laptop, mac laptop will come soon) I used like 60mb of data transfer that trip up there / 4 days there and the way home, connection was 8-14kbps every time I checked.

Dang compared to my parents' bill(considering they own a farming bizness but no employees are given phones and we dont pay for them) we have the cingular family 2500 plan with my mom and dad have media basic package(1 MB in data and 400 messages charged in sent and recieved) and my sister and I each have the Media Works package (5 MB in data and 1000 messages) My sisters' and my charges are $60 a piece, my moms is $15, and my dad for some reason makes up for his service charge being $150 dollars by himself..
If cingular charges a lot for the iPhone's plan.. Theres no way i can get it because as of now, our bill averages $300-400 a month
 
I've been on Tmobile for almost 7 years now and have had no complaints except for their lack of nice phone to choose from, I'm actually using an unlocked Cingular treo 650 currently, i think I'll wait and see if anyone can unlock the iPhone and stay on Tmobile if I can still utilize all the features.
I think one feature that will only work on Cingular is "visual voicemail", which required them to make back-end changes on their voicemail servers.
 
It is true, the website doesn't list the blackjack as compatible, however when I went in to buy mine, the first data plan I was offered was smartphone connect w/ express mail (unlimited data+xpress mail), I didn't even ask for it. Maybe you should try at a store instead of online. The guy also gave me the upgrade price even though I was only 5 months into my contract plus an extra $100 off :eek: . They can make some pretty good deals.

I went to my local store to buy the Blackjack but they wouldn't give me the upgrade price even though my contract was about to expire. So I went with Amazon. The only data plan listed for the blackjack was the PDA unlimited and PDA Max. I ended up getting the 3125. Pretty nice phone at it turns out. The lack of qWeRTY took some getting use to but t9 isn't so bad. Because the 3125 is so cheap, I won't feel bad upgrading to an iPhone in a year.

I imagine that the iPhone will come with its own data plan. (required of course.) I can get Edge connectivity here but its nothing to write home about. Certainly wouldn't use it as a modem for my laptop.
 
If Cingular were smart, they'd make a special plan for the iPhone, like T-Mobile does for the Sidekick, where $19.99 gets you unlimited data + unlimited SMS.

With a plan like that, I'm sure more people could stomach the $499/$599 cost of the device.
 
If Cingular were smart, they'd make a special plan for the iPhone, like T-Mobile does for the Sidekick, where $19.99 gets you unlimited data + unlimited SMS.

With a plan like that, I'm sure more people could stomach the $499/$599 cost of the device.

The sidekick comparison is interesting, and it would make sense for Cingular to do that since they can't subsidise the iPhone. Another idea, more realistc than a free years service would be free unlimited data and free unlimited text for a year, then a $20-$30 a month plan with the same features after that first year. That way people get used to living with the features and are far more likely to pay to keep them, as ooposed to trying to sell new features to people who don't think they need them.
 
Pardon the stupid question, but I've never owned a phone other than a simple handset or a plan with a set number of minutes of talk-time. So when you all are saying things like $20, $40, or whatever a month for unlimited data, you mean on top of the $40 (or whatever) for your regular talk-time minutes? Because as much as I want an iphone, if we're looking at $500-600 for the phone plus $80 in total monthly charges to use all the features, I'm out.
 
Pardon the stupid question, but I've never owned a phone other than a simple handset or a plan with a set number of minutes of talk-time. So when you all are saying things like $20, $40, or whatever a month for unlimited data, you mean on top of the $40 (or whatever) for your regular talk-time minutes? Because as much as I want an iphone, if we're looking at $500-600 for the phone plus $80 in total monthly charges to use all the features, I'm out.

Sadly, yes, data and text messaging are on top of minute rate plans. Of course the iPhone will not need a data plan if you don't plan on using the internet or e-mail, but then whats the point?
 
Sadly, yes, data and text messaging are on top of minute rate plans. Of course the iPhone will not need a data plan if you don't plan on using the internet or e-mail, but then whats the point?

so... for full-functionality we're looking at ~$40 for a minute rate plan (I don't think Cingular goes much cheaper than that, does it?) and then $20-40 more for unlimited data? On top of $500-600 for the phone?

I'll wait to see if there's any sort of subsidy of either the phone or the service, but if what I just said is the cost, I'll stick with a cheap phone and Verizon, much as it will pain me not to have an iphone.
 
so... for full-functionality we're looking at ~$40 for a minute rate plan (I don't think Cingular goes much cheaper than that, does it?) and then $20-40 more for unlimited data? On top of $500-600 for the phone?

I'll wait to see if there's any sort of subsidy of either the phone or the service, but if what I just said is the cost, I'll stick with a cheap phone and Verizon, much as it will pain me not to have an iphone.

Yeah, when you break down the cost it is obscene. I'd imagine there will be a service subsidy of some sort since they can't subsidise the phone, but I guess nobody'll know till June!
 
I think the idea of giving away unlimited text and data for a year seems a bit absurd...I'm a Cingular customer...and Cingular isn't great at "giving" things away. And if they do, it's usually for only one month.

And in reply to the rate plans, I have a $29.99 rate plan with my current :eek: 2 year old RAZR v3, but Cingular doesn't advertise that plan on their website because they want to milk everyone.

But, definately, the merger of Cingular with at&t is definately going to bring some awesome changes that will benefit the release of the iPhone i'm assuming. Can't wait to get the phone -- I've been so anxious to get rid of my horrible razr in which the contract ends in 7 days, buttt...looks like i'm waiting until June:D :apple: .
 
Can't wait to get the phone -- I've been so anxious to get rid of my horrible razr in which the contract ends in 7 days, buttt...looks like i'm waiting until June:D :apple: .
FWIW, there are some threads around saying that the price of the iPhone will be $499/$599 regardless of your contract status. i.e. Cingular won't be able to make it less expensive for you because you're out of contract.

If that's true, then you could get a discounted, newer phone now, and still upgrade to the iPhone in June for $499/$599.
 
Sadly, yes, data and text messaging are on top of minute rate plans. Of course the iPhone will not need a data plan if you don't plan on using the internet or e-mail, but then whats the point?

WiFi. Where I live, not too far from Apple's HQ, many cities have free municipal WiFi (covering most of the city).
 
WiFi. Where I live, not too far from Apple's HQ, many cities have free municipal WiFi (covering most of the city).


Good point. Portland just got a WiFi blanket in downtown. If the iPhone's wifi integration (eg it picks up signals and automatically connects) is as good as I hope it will be, you might not even need a data plan.
 
Well, I see two options. Subsidized or unsubsidized. For each one, there are a couple of possibilities, but if the rumors are true and our hopes become reality, the iPhone being unsubsidized and Cingular being good sports enough to give us some other form of subsidy for our contractual loyalty, then I'll be very happy.

If the announced prices are subsidized, we're f**ked. There is little or no chance of a highly-discounted data plan, especially like some are comparing to T-Mobile's Sidekick rate plans, mainly because the cost would be unimaginable for Cingular. The Sidekick doesn't consume "normal" web like the iPhone does, let alone have many other data features, rather routing websites and images through Danger's proprietary servers (much like AOL does, or did back in the day), to optimize speeds and data consumption. Most iPhone early adopters will not only be internet-savvy, high-end, heavy users, but the iPhone will likely sell out for a good 2-3 months, and that is a LOT of instant impact on their EDGE network. (It'll be, after 6-12 months, a lot of impact total on their network, I'm theorizing. A few million more new users than expected in a short time frame, even when it's only 2-4% of your established user base, could mean service level changes. Then again, they've been preparing for this for a while... so maybe not at all.) Anyhow, if this is the case, the iPhone v1 will go down as one of the most expensive non-celebrity-targetted smartphones ever, 4-8GB of flash RAM or not.

If the announced prices are unsubsidized, there's still a great chance of getting our money's worth for the 2-year-contract (assuming they really have no other option, which is consumer-unfriendly IMHO) through discounted service (rate plan for voice minutes or data usage). But some are theorizing 12-18 months of free service (voice and data), free data service, extremely discounted voice and data service... etc. You're all going to be sorely disappointed. The most they'll ever give is $150-200ish of subsidy for that 2 year contract, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY change their business model on overage (and not in the way you'd like), or sacrifice profit margins somewhere. So assuming there isn't an outrageous profit margin on data, a $25-40 data plan (unlimited, real internet on a smartphone average price between major 2.5-3G providers), the most they'll give is 6 months free internet, 12 months half-off internet, or 2 years 25% off internet, to add up to approximately the same subsidy they provide on new handsets with a 2-year-contract. Now, if there is an outrageous profit margin on data, I'm sure Cingular is so glad to have the iPhone buzz, multi-year exclusivity, and millions of new Apple customers that they'd sacrifice some or most of it, we could be looking at 2 years of half off current expected internet prices or more. This could finally make smartphone internet affordable.

The monkey throwing a wrench into all of it could be how Apple (or industrious hacker-propellerheads) handle laptop connectivity to share or distribute the internet.
 
Has anyone heard the rumor that I heard over the weekend, that Cingular has a list at some of their stores for the iPhone?

I'm not sure if its true but if it is, I guess I better get myself on the list.
 
remember apple needs cingular a hell of a lot more than cingular needs apple.

Apple wants to sell its phone and yes cingular would like to sell it but it would be just fine if they didn't sell it. Simple truth is cingular knows it only big competitor it would have to deal with for the iPhone is T-Mobil because apple wants to sell it world wide and GSM is what most of the world uses and T-Mobil network is a hell of a lot smallers than cingulars.
 
i know this might be a dumb question but will the iphone be in limited quantities? like with the N 64 or the ps3 will it be a mad dash to get an iphone or can i jsut go and get one:cool: :apple:
 
remember apple needs cingular a hell of a lot more than cingular needs apple.

Apple wants to sell its phone and yes cingular would like to sell it but it would be just fine if they didn't sell it. Simple truth is cingular knows it only big competitor it would have to deal with for the iPhone is T-Mobil because apple wants to sell it world wide and GSM is what most of the world uses and T-Mobil network is a hell of a lot smallers than cingulars.

Except Cingular said "YES!" to an Apple phone, sight-unseen. Apple had enough pull on them to do no subsidy, and I'm sure they don't want Apple switching over to T-Mobile.

i know this might be a dumb question but will the iphone be in limited quantities? like with the N 64 or the ps3 will it be a mad dash to get an iphone or can i jsut go and get one:cool: :apple:

It'll probably be no more limited than any other Apple product. I bet they start production next month. Availability will definitely depend on demand, of course.
 
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