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Frankly, as Apple is now explaining why they included mouse support, I'm a bit disappointed. They continue to belligerently tell you how to use your very expensive iPad, and why you basically should be happy with touch, as it's a touch device primarily, and only handicapped need to use a mouse (or should). And how they understand (understand), how there will be some oddballs who actually don't want to use what they tell us to use, but hey? That's our fans for you!

Not simply: Use both.

The mind boggles, and this is EXACTLY what I thought was going on.

End rant

What Apple has to say -

https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/06/using-a-mouse-with-an-ipad/
 
“A rose by any other name..”

I don’t really care what they call it... accessibility feature, touch assistive device etc. I’m just really happy to finally be able to connect and use a mouse. :D

Auto Brightness is an accessibility feature too. ;)
 
I'm guessing this is also a cannibalism issue. They want you to have all sorts of devices, which is why they market them for different uses. It's not profitable to make an all-in-one device.
I don’t know if Apple would lose all that much money if they put proper mouse support on iPads. It’s very difficult for us to know how many people are currently buying both macbooks and ipad pros, and of those, whom would no longer buy macbooks because of that one feature. But even if it’s a lot, I’m still inclined to believe Apple genuinely believes people generally shouldn’t use mouse on the iPad. As wrong as they can be at times, I think Apple really tries to give people what Apple believes is the best experience.
 
I'd love mouse support for sure, and looking forward to how it progresses over the next betas. I just don't get why they can't make it a full feature available in the main menu, instead of accessibility. Weird decision but greatful that it's in the first beta.

:)
 
I'd love mouse support for sure, and looking forward to how it progresses over the next betas. I just don't get why they can't make it a full feature available in the main menu, instead of accessibility. Weird decision but greatful that it's in the first beta.

:)

Because for now, Apple views this as an assist for people with motor skill issues, not as a primary input method on a touch-based device (though anyone can use it however they like). See the 9T05Mac link I posted above.
 
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Because for now, Apple views this as an assist for people with motor skill issues, not as a primary input method on a touch-based device (though anyone can use it however they like). See the 9T05Mac link I posted above.

Anyone with "motor skills issues" will have a really hard time with most all of the normal, undiscoverable, multi finger spaghetti of OS interactions they've come up with for iPads unfortunately.

Really glad they've come around on the mouse stuff.

Much of my family uses none of the multitasking as of yet and in a desktop orientation, this will make the iPad so much more enjoyable to use in concert with an external KB.
 
Because for now, Apple views this as an assist for people with motor skill issues, not as a primary input method on a touch-based device (though anyone can use it however they like). See the 9T05Mac link I posted above.
Agreed. I believe it is also because the way mouse support functions currently in iPad OS, it is NOT the same as the conventional mouse support in other operating systems. This helps sets the user's expectations. We generally understand that the features under "Accessibility" work differently than we (who don't need those features) expect.

I think the greatest innovations in iOS are those things that Apple has done to design and "bake in" these features to help people.
 
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Anyone with "motor skills issues" will have a really hard time with most all of the normal, undiscoverable, multi finger spaghetti of OS interactions they've come up with for iPads unfortunately.

True, but the addition of mouse support is really helpful for someone like myself who does have motor skill issues - I have essential tremors severe enough that I can no longer hand-write and eating with a fork and spoon can be "challenging". I just skip the spaghetti of multi-finger interactions. But I do wish it had been added as a standard (but optional) feature with a configurable pointer. Apple is just being pig-headed.
 
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@sparksd

You missed what I was saying..

The entire iPad experience is not great for anyone with motor skills issues.
I totally agree about Mouse support being nice to finally see.

My more overarching point is how far Apple has actually gone away from discoverability and accessibility in the transition to touch. It's disheartening to see.
 
I am completely underwhelmed and disappointed by the mouse function. The blinking message about how to disable it, the large black dot the covers info and makes precision use difficult, and the clunkiness of the movements are all annoyances that will keep me from my plan of upgrading my first gen ipad pro to a new one to use as a laptop replacement
 
To me a jailbroken iOS 13 iPad will be the desirable device.
The Mouse implementation really needs usability tweaks that it seems like Apple will refuse to give us.

We don't want or need it to "pretend it's a finger touch spot" -- make it look and act like a mouse cursor on a Mac please.
 
Any way to hide the Top Level Menu when AssistiveTouch is enabled?

turn off always show menu

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Is there a way to hide the menu with AssistiveTouch on but no device connected?

only way so far is to triple click the top button - I think by default that is set to assistive touch on/off - if not you can set it to that in the settings
 
Maybe if this assistive features proves popular, Apple will develop it in to a native implementation of mouse support? Apple often introduce features which are poor in their first iteration and go on to improve them over time.
 
I’m using an MX master 2s mouse. The scroll wheel is backwards on the iPad Pro (scroll down the screen moves up). I use the mouse with other desktops. Is there a setting local on the iPad that can change this behavior? Totally enjoying using the mouse without having to pick up the pencil..

Cheers and thank you.
 
For the life of me, I can't fathom why they give us gimped mouse support.

Don't know what you expect, but I think it's GREAT. Makes reading news, etc so much better and a LOT less fingerprints to clean up.

WELL DOWN, Apple...
 
I’m using an MX master 2s mouse. The scroll wheel is backwards on the iPad Pro (scroll down the screen moves up). I use the mouse with other desktops. Is there a setting local on the iPad that can change this behavior? Totally enjoying using the mouse without having to pick up the pencil..

Cheers and thank you.

No, others have noted this as well.
 
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