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nickchallis92

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Do you even know what refurbished means? It's not "slower", or "inferior". It's the same quality of phone except lightly used. It is the 4S' competitor, thus it only seemed fair to compare the 4S to the S II and not the GS III. We can compare the S III to the iPhone 6.



Why do we always compare the new iphones to old android phones? Why not the other way round?

I could easily say the SGS2 was the competitor to the iphone 4. Same time difference
 

Dwalls90

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I'm trying to tell you that Google isn't very compatible with things like the sync functions on OSX or Windows. It's web-based stuff meant to be controlled from a browser. If you want perfect sync with a Mac, you need an iPhone. That's just how it is. You should only go with Google if you are comfortable with doing all the work via a web browser.

Since when does Windows even sync well? IMO, it's not that Google or Microsoft "suck" at the cloud and syncing, it's just that Apple does it way better.

This seems like a strange debate. Android devices sync very easily to other Android devices, iOS device sync very easily to other iOS devices. If they don't sync very well with each other then blame the company that doesn't play ball, which ever that is.

Android "devices"? In case I want to sync my contacts with my second Android smartphone? Or perhaps my non-Text-message-able tablet?

Do you even know what refurbished means? It's not "slower", or "inferior". It's the same quality of phone except lightly used. It is the 4S' competitor, thus it only seemed fair to compare the 4S to the S II and not the GS III. We can compare the S III to the iPhone 6.



Why do we always compare the new iphones to old android phones? Why not the other way round?

I could easily say the SGS2 was the competitor to the iphone 4. Same time difference

False. SGS2 was released "internationally" in May 2011, iPhone 4S was released October 2011. You're trying to tell me that the iPhone 4, released in June 2010, 11 months before the SGS2, is the competitor to the SGS2? LOL

No. The iPhone 4S, released 5 months after the SGS 2 internationally is it's competitor. But really, let's not forget the SGS 2 did not come to the USA until Sept-Nov 2011. So really, the SGS2 and iPhone 4S couldn't be more direct of competitors.

Bias. Contempt. Lack of fairness inherent in fanaticism.

See above. Use facts, like me, before accusing others of "bias".
 

cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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Android "devices"? In case I want to sync my contacts with my second Android smartphone? Or perhaps my non-Text-message-able tablet?

And why can't YOU text with an Android tablet? Lol....This will be interesting...
 

SlCKB0Y

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Since when does Windows even sync well? IMO, it's not that Google or Microsoft "suck" at the cloud and syncing, it's just that Apple does it way better.

Yep, I know I'm listening to every word you say on this matter.... afterall, you've got a good days usage of Android under your belt.

Android "devices"? In case I want to sync my contacts with my second Android smartphone? Or perhaps my non-Text-message-able tablet?

Believe it or not, but contacts can store data other than phone numbers. It's crazy I know. See recently, someone came up with this technology called "email". It's really good, you should try it! I've saved so much money on stamps.

No. The iPhone 4S, released 5 months after the SGS 2 internationally is it's competitor. But really, let's not forget the SGS 2 did not come to the USA until Sept-Nov 2011. So really, the SGS2 and iPhone 4S couldn't be more direct of competitors.

BWAHAHAHAH...This is my favourite bit in the whole mess you've typed out. Who cares when it was released in the US...the vast majority of the world is NOT the US. What matters is that the GS2 was six month old technology at that point and that it what counts. In the Android world, six months is a long time.

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And why can't YOU text with an Android tablet? Lol....This will be interesting...

^^ This

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This seems like a strange debate. Android devices sync very easily to other Android devices, iOS device sync very easily to other iOS devices. If they don't sync very well with each other then blame the company that doesn't play ball, which ever that is.

You can use and sync almost all Google services on iOS but I can't think of a single Apple service I can use on my Android.
 

vistadude

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Jan 3, 2010
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Isn't SMS/MMS way better than iMessage? SMS works on any device, doesn't require 3G, and doesn't have failed deliveries like iMessage does. SMS might cost money, but so do iPhone cases and other apple taxes.
 

Calidude

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Isn't SMS/MMS way better than iMessage? SMS works on any device, doesn't require 3G, and doesn't have failed deliveries like iMessage does. SMS might cost money, but so do iPhone cases and other apple taxes.
iMessage is for specific purposes, such as messaging iPads and iPods and messaging people in other countries for free.
 

Dwalls90

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Yep, I know I'm listening to every word you say on this matter.... afterall, you've got a good days usage of Android under your belt.

Please point to facts as to why Google provides more and better sync services. Saying that I didn't suffer through Android for "long enough" doesn't disqualify my opinion.

Believe it or not, but contacts can store data other than phone numbers. It's crazy I know. See recently, someone came up with this technology called "email". It's really good, you should try it! I've saved so much money on stamps.

Not when you sync through Google on OSX! It has a tendency to not only SHRINK contact photos (iCloud doesn't do that), remove photos and remove links/emails. Never had this issue a few months ago and while using iCloud. Please see the forum threads even from GOOGLE's own community regarding this issue.

BWAHAHAHAH...This is my favourite bit in the whole mess you've typed out. Who cares when it was released in the US...the vast majority of the world is NOT the US. What matters is that the GS2 was six month old technology at that point and that it what counts. In the Android world, six months is a long time.

Sorry, but I can only make judgement as to when products arrive in my country. Surely the Fandroids will be whining when people draw comparisons between the GS3 and the new iPhone ... "Oh but you can't compare them, the GS3 is three months old". So typical of Fandroids: When their phone is better, then it's a fair comparison, but when their phone is inferior, it's because it's ancient in the "Android world".

Also, count with me. June, July, August, September, October. That's five months, not six. But who's counting, right?


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Can you direct me to a place where I can read up on how I can text my friend's Android tablet by texting his cell phone number, without being charged per text, or using a pseudo-phone number? I'm very curious.

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You can use and sync almost all Google services on iOS but I can't think of a single Apple service I can use on my Android.

Read earlier into the thread. I'm not sure why you would want Google on iOS:

- Calendars: Google and iCloud are about equal, but I noticed battery drain when using Google Sync
- Contacts: Google takes longer, and removes picture data, as well as other information. Not too mention it isn't integrated well with OS X compared to iCloud
- Music: iTunes Match > Google Music, there is no competition there.
- iMessage > Google Talk isn't used by any of my friends, family or co-workers. But they all have iPhones, so this is a no brainer, for me at least.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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Jun 4, 2008
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Can you direct me to a place where I can read up on how I can text my friend's Android tablet by texting his cell phone number, without being charged per text, or using a pseudo-phone number? I'm very curious.

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Google Talk. What does it matter if a number, SN, ect is used.
 

Dwalls90

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Google Talk. What does it matter if a number, SN, ect is used.

Because it's not integrated at all. I can send a message from my iPad to any of my friends natively using an iPhone, iPad, Mac or iPod touch. They can reply to my phone number and it gets sent to my device.

No second app, no other contact list, just pure integration.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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Because it's not integrated at all. I can send a message from my iPad to any of my friends natively using an iPhone, iPad, Mac or iPod touch. They can reply to my phone number and it gets sent to my device.

No second app, no other contact list, just pure integration.


Google talk is integrated in the contact list.
 

vistadude

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What if their ipad is at home and they are out, or what if they don't have wifi while walking around a town or city. They won't get your message.

SMS and Google Voice would continue to work since they are only for phones and most people keep their phone with them or close by.

Because it's not integrated at all. I can send a message from my iPad to any of my friends natively using an iPhone, iPad, Mac or iPod touch. They can reply to my phone number and it gets sent to my device.

No second app, no other contact list, just pure integration.
 

Dwalls90

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What if their ipad is at home and they are out, or what if they don't have wifi while walking around a town or city. They won't get your message.

SMS and Google Voice would continue to work since they are only for phones and most people keep their phone with them or close by.

You do realize that iPads have cellular connectivity? So that nullifies that point.

Duh, all phones have cellular connectivity, thus could receive messages on the go.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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You do realize that iPads have cellular connectivity? So that nullifies that point.

Duh, all phones have cellular connectivity, thus could receive messages on the go.


The vast majority of the people with iPads/tablets are wifi only. Not sure if their are numbers out there, but no one I know pays for data on their tablet with the smart phones we have now.
 

Dwalls90

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The vast majority of the people with iPads/tablets are wifi only. Not sure if their are numbers out there, but no one I know pays for data on their tablet with the smart phones we have now.

I'm just curious as to why the argument of tablet cellular connectivity was ever brought up?

My point is, that my iPad can send messages to phone numbers, and receive messages if people send them to my phone number.

This seems like a derail from the topic at hand.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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You do realize that iPads have cellular connectivity? So that nullifies that point.

Duh, all phones have cellular connectivity, thus could receive messages on the go.


I'm just curious as to why the argument of tablet cellular connectivity was ever brought up?

My point is, that my iPad can send messages to phone numbers, and receive messages if people send them to my phone number.

This seems like a derail from the topic at hand.


Are you serious????? :confused:


So your bone of contention is you can send messages to phone numbers vs. a user name? That makes or breaks it for you???? lol
 

Dwalls90

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Are you serious????? :confused:


So your bone of contention is you can send messages to phone numbers vs. a user name? That makes or breaks it for you???? lol

My iPad has cellular connectivity. It's an option. If you don't have it on your tablet, too bad, not my problem. iMessage IS an asset for someone like myself.

Everyone in my professional services firm uses iPhones, as do my friends and family. I love being able to text from my iPad or Mac and having it all synced to my phone. I don't want to have my google account, logged in through a web browser, to use Google Talk. Or be tied down to using WiFi on my iPad.

And the concept between having iMessage and being able to blindly send a message to a phone number, is that it auto detects the number and will send it as an iMessage to the iPad and Mac.

On Android, I cannot go to my contacts, send a message to my friend's phone number, and he won't receive it on his phone, tablet or laptop.

But wait! Let me guess, I can finagle around with third party solutions on my Android phone, tablet and my computer for something that fixes this problem?:rolleyes:

Again, as the posts and original topic detail, this thread is to point out that for me, a user who has an iPad, Macbook Pro and iPhone, it is much more convenient and seamless to live in Apple's ecosystem than move to another. Maybe you prefer using your web browser and Google Talk, along with adding in another contact field (email address) and using another application on your mobile devices, as that is somehow more convenient for you. If so, great. Not for me.
 

ritmomundo

macrumors 68020
Jan 12, 2011
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My iPad has cellular connectivity. It's an option. If you don't have it on your tablet, too bad, not my problem. iMessage IS an asset for someone like myself.

Everyone in my professional services firm uses iPhones, as do my friends and family. I love being able to text from my iPad or Mac and having it all synced to my phone. I don't want to have my google account, logged in through a web browser, to use Google Talk. Or be tied down to using WiFi on my iPad.

And the concept between having iMessage and being able to blindly send a message to a phone number, is that it auto detects the number and will send it as an iMessage to the iPad and Mac.

On Android, I cannot go to my contacts, send a message to my friend's phone number, and he won't receive it on his phone, tablet or laptop.

But wait! Let me guess, I can finagle around with third party solutions on my Android phone, tablet and my computer for something that fixes this problem?:rolleyes:

Again, as the posts and original topic detail, this thread is to point out that for me, a user who has an iPad, Macbook Pro and iPhone, it is much more convenient and seamless to live in Apple's ecosystem than move to another. Maybe you prefer using your web browser and Google Talk, along with adding in another contact field (email address) and using another application on your mobile devices, as that is somehow more convenient for you. If so, great. Not for me.

Dude, are you seriously still going on about this? Android doesn't have iMessage and never will. Case closed, get over it. Just please go back to your iphone and let this thread die.
 

Dwalls90

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Dude, are you seriously still going on about this? Android doesn't have iMessage and never will. Case closed, get over it. Just please go back to your iphone and let this thread die.

Ironic that you're posting in it then? :p
 

Stuntman06

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Sep 19, 2011
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Contacts: Syncing or moving contacts from my address book to Android shouldn't be difficult. For other Apple devices, before iCloud (which now automatically manages this), I would just export Vcards and import them into the new device. I tried this via email on my GS II and it wouldn't read the Vcards. You would think given how Android wants to adopt more iOS users, they would implement a more convenient solution. Also, I don't want random email addresses that I once used from my Gmail account populated in my contacts.

I was thinking the same thing about going from Android to iOS for my wife. I had great difficulty moving the contacts from my wife's old Galaxy Q (not a typo) to her new iPhone. I couldn't understand why Apple could not read the .vcf file that contained her old contacts. It seems that Apple and Android has some differences with regard to contacts.

What I finally managed to do is to import the .vcf file into Gmail and then export from Gmail to a .vcf file. When I did the export from Gmail, I had the option of making the exported file compatible with Apple. Perhaps, you need to do the same thing, but the other way around.
 

Dwalls90

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I was thinking the same thing about going from Android to iOS for my wife. I had great difficulty moving the contacts from my wife's old Galaxy Q (not a typo) to her new iPhone. I couldn't understand why Apple could not read the .vcf file that contained her old contacts. It seems that Apple and Android has some differences with regard to contacts.

What I finally managed to do is to import the .vcf file into Gmail and then export from Gmail to a .vcf file. When I did the export from Gmail, I had the option of making the exported file compatible with Apple. Perhaps, you need to do the same thing, but the other way around.

It's pathetic that two of the largest technology companies couldn't find a simpler way to transfer contact cards, of all things!

I already gave up on Android. I was able to IMPORT contacts, but whenever Google would sync them, it keep deleting contacts, or their emails, photos, ect.

Back to iOS and all works seamlessly :apple:
 

daveathall

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I have had a 3Gs, 4 and 4S, I have a 15" MBP an iPad and 2 iPods, I thought that I would try Android, I gave it a month rather than 1 day, although a bit awkward at first I have integrated my phone with my iDevices as much as I need, I did have the option to go back to my iPhone 4S but decided not too, I sold it and wouldn't swap back.

The only thing I miss is the remote app on my 4S for my Apple TV. No hardship really.
 
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Piggyie

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I don't know how you people cope without a back button

my iPad is much less user-friendly in that sense.

That's easy. We go back to where Apple wants us to go, not where we want to go. :-(

I have a lot of Apple technology but I'm not a fanboy. I use what gets the job done the way I like it. I spent 5 years using Macs and I'm glad to be back on a Windows 7 laptop. I've got an iPhone 4S (my 3rd iPhone) and iPad 3 (my 2nd iPad). I'm trading in my company Dell for a MacBook Pro that I intend to run Windows 100% of the time. I'll get workstation class hardware in a better form factor than I can from Dell not to mention a far superior (non-Retina) display.

I've been thinking of switching from AT&T iPhone 4S to Verizon Samsung Galaxy III S for a while but have not done it. I'm interested in Windows 8 mobile and can wait to see how it all works.

I think the main issue is you are trying to do things like you did in iOS vs the way it's done on Android.

I had the same problem coming too iOS. For example just recently I had a member here help me figure out how to take a PDF from an email and email it too someone else. Basically use drop box to save it and adobe reader to send it via email. I was used to just saving the PDF then attaching it like you would on a PC with Android.

It's like an adult learning a new language. They/we are constantly trying to convert it back to our native language.

This is so true. When I first started working with Macs I had no shortage of reasons I didn't like it but I stuck with it long enough to learn the pros and cons. I had to unlearn years of working with Windows and truly needed to think differently. 5 Years later I'm back on Windows because I want to but I don't bash Macs. There are things each OS does great and things they do poorly.

Sometimes Windows has too many choices and options whereas sometimes Mac/iOS has too few choices and options. If I want it my way then I'll have to build my own OS.... PiggyieOS, anyone??

Reminds me of religious wars between Linux and Windows. As a consultant I live and work with clients in both worlds. There are different strengths and weaknesses. Does your ladder do everything you need? Sometimes you need one taller, sometimes shorter; aluminum or wood, telescoping or A-frame. There isn't a perfect ladder, either!
 
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