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Moving on from iOS
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Google exploits and profits off peoples’ data to a much greater extent than Apple no?
Neither company is working for the greater good of humanity and both have contributed to the downfall of society, but I don’t see moving to Google as somehow morally superior, personally.
Depends on the games! I ran Bazzite and am currently running SteamOS on my gaming rig (though SteamOS only works with AMD GPUs) and it plays every game I throw at it except generally anything with anticheat.
Goodbye. Have a good journey on your experiences of the Wild West. Give away the iPad too while you are at it
I envy your decision. I want to eliminate iPhone but I want to keep Mac and iPad. It’s hard but I disagree with the anticompetitive practices of Tim Crook’s AAPL.
It's doable. I did it for more than a decade. Mac, iPad, Samsung/Pixel phones. I was heavier into the Google ecosystem then, so had my photos, docs, etc. available on everything via Google. Have always used Garmin watches, which work with either Android or iOS. It was a pretty solid setup, overall.
Indeed, all I am saying is that Google is what it is; they make no secret that you are the product. Your data and targeted advertising keep Gmail, Android and many other services free of monetary cost to the end users and make them money at the same time, a lot of it.
There are advantages and disadvantages to this. It's up to the individual to weigh that up vs what they get in return.
I recall when Apple introduced ATT, it was hailed as the greatest thing by Apple users, but when app developers started losing too much revenue as a result, many of them began charging for what was a hitherto free app. Apple users then scold the app developers for turning to a subscription model, despite users being the cause of it. You can't have everything.
I'm not getting into a who is right, wrong, better or worse debate. There are options for everyone out there. Appreciating this is an Apple-centric forum where you get dumb responses like this
But there is a reason 7 out of every 10 mobile devices in the world use Android. And for everything that many claim to be wrong with that on here, it seems to work just fine for them. And it's not just because they can't afford it before the predictable responses come along. Many simply prefer Android over IOS, don't like the lock-ins and so on. To be fair, I see a lot of people with an iPad and/or a Mac but an Android phone, which is very common.
I'm all in Apple, I do have a Windows machine as well and don't intend to change that, for no other reason than it all works and is convenient for me. Not that I love all my Apple devices, I don't, just convenient.
The thing is I agree with you for those exact points. But I also believe that there should be interoperability among all systems through standards. This is why I disagree with Apple now. I won’t switch from MacOS for work and I adore my iPad Pro M4, but I can’t stand giving Tim Crook my money anymore. Loved Steve and Apple for a long time so it’s hard but not impossible to make the switch. I do think that the only benefits of iPhone are actually the ease of use within the ecosystem but that also means giving Tim your money and accepting their anticompetitive business model - I don’t like it at all. Just like medication patents, I believe all patents should be valid for seven years. Then tech like Messages with blue bubbles should be available through all via FRAND patents that are shared for ultra low cost so all consumers can benefit. And competition should remain and it doesn’t against Apple.
look, you don't need to be camp a or camp b. Choose whatever works.
I personally won't got apple next upgrade as i) intel has got much better with their processors and ii) greed is ruling apple these days (moving production to India and stuff). Typical corporate monster. No more place for enthusiasts and 'think different' community. Just a mainstream expensive product.
I personally won't got apple next upgrade as i) intel has got much better with their processors and ii) greed is ruling apple these days (moving production to India and stuff). Typical corporate monster. No more place for enthusiasts and 'think different' community. Just a mainstream expensive product.
I have an iPad pro M4 and galaxy tab S9+. I much prefer the galaxy tab, yes the pencil is cheap feeling but the soft tip writes better, is silent and I much prefer the app drawer. I use a pixel 9 pro as a phone ATM.
I'd love to move from iOS to something new. Maybe not Google's Android but something new. There are alternatives around but nothing that ticks all the boxes.
I do care about privacy and that along with being locked in to a few apps I can't migrate from makes it a bit trick y to move platform at the moment, but hope these app manufacturers get their act together and make plattform change easier.
I have had a look at Sailfish and its still a bit to much beta for my liking.
Would be nice with a "third" serious option around, if it would be a non US company it would be a plus as well. Don't think its good to concentrate stuff in one country. At the same time I do think MS are the only "giant" that would challenge Android and iOS if they would focus on the mobile market again.
I do care about privacy and that along with being locked in to a few apps I can't migrate from makes it a bit trick y to move platform at the moment, but hope these app manufacturers get their act together and make plattform change easier.
I have had a look at Sailfish and its still a bit to much beta for my liking.
Would be nice with a "third" serious option around, if it would be a non US company it would be a plus as well. Don't think its good to concentrate stuff in one country. At the same time I do think MS are the only "giant" that would challenge Android and iOS if they would focus on the mobile market again.
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Same issue, at home I’m all Apple but I work in high end AV and a lot of the systems that I interact with need software that is only compatible with Windows.My challenge is work is almost ALL MS. Best of luck
Microsoft tried and failed, a couple of times. Windows Phone was actually really good towards the end but with poor developer support, it couldn’t make it. I think Samsung has tried a few times but can’t get away from Android. I do agree though, a third option would be nice.
The trick is to choose the right Linux distribution for your use case. Three are too many. However, it's not amateur hour anymore unless you want it to be.
As for making a Mess, I remind you of all the complaints about Sequoia and especially IOS 18, not to mention Apple Intelligence in general. There is also the continuous ranting about the endless bugs that supposedly exist on MacOS (Though I'm not have much trouble, but then I'm not having much trouble with Linux bugs either.)
I don't have an iPhone and the desktop where real work gets done is Linux Mint, so the value of the Apple ecosystem to me is nil. I expect this laptop (M1 MacBook Air) will be going over to Linux sooner or later. Apple's intransigence at releasing documentation (hardware specs, APFS API) isn't helping their case either. I don't want a walled garden, nor do I want to frisbee good hardware into the dumpster just because Apple isn't interested anymore. (The 2010 Mac Pro is supported under my current Linux setup until 2029. Eventually lack of AVX will probably get it just as what happened with Open Core. OS runs, software I wanted to use did not.)
Absolutely true! I use Debian, sometimes Mint, and all too often I see new users on a "rolling release" Linux distro needing help. Any Linux that is a "rolling release" or an "unstable" release is best avoided. Those are distros that once a week, or so, maybe more, there is a release to enhance or fix a feature. Those releases are intended for geeks and programmers, not the everyday user. There are a number of stable Linux releases that are great for games, they easily accept Nvidia cards and AMD cards, and most other hardware.
With the advent of AI and other tools, Apple will find it very difficult to have a closed and undocumented system. AI will enable better hardware designs and there are no doubts a number of companies will build better hardware for those tools. Apple has maybe 10 percent of the PC market, there will be plenty of companies nibbling at that 10 percent.
I have been slowly moving away from MacOS and iOS… the whole ecosystem just is not polished given the amount of time its had. I missed my MacBook but the costs of buying a new one were double for nearly the same functionality I use. Thinking of going Linux/Windows dual boot for personal stuff/gaming. Phone-wise I am going to trial a deGoogled phone (Brax3) when it comes out next month to see about having an Android life for once (my 13 Pro max is good and has life left, may flip between both). The kicker is the MS world - having to get away from that in a fruitful manner (Linux with Libre and PDF is fine). Was hoping Apple would resolve the music stuff but I just get frustrated… 😞 ah well… to each their own! Enjoy your journey.
You realize that Steve Jobs was like, the king of hating interoperability, right?
The guy literally had to be pretty much forced into letting the iPod work with windows, he wanted Apple products to work with Apple products and absolutely nothing else. That was his vision.
If anything now that basically all of apple services are available on other platforms, they are more interoperable than they’ve ever been. The lock-in is real, but not like it was in 2002.
The real question, says Jobs, is: “What is best for the customer—integrated versus fragmented? We think this is a huge strength of our system versus Google’s. When selling to people who want their devices to just work, we think integrated wins every time. We are committed to the integrated approach. We are confident it will triumph over Google’s fragmented approach.”
This was in 2010.
The guy famously hated open systems, hated windows, hated Android, and the three biggest tools Apple uses to lock customers in today (iCloud, iMessage/FaceTime and AirDrop) were all first announced or released under the watchful eye of Steve Jobs.
Oh my. It’s very very very different. Might as well have been using blackberry back then. Modem Samsung tablets are great but what I really want is a tablet like the z13 from asus with the powerful AMD chip but with low power mode that lasts 10 hours. As it is they last 2-6hrs which come to think of it my iPads also last 6 hrs but at least they have a week or two of standby battery life used to be legendary but apple silicon Macs have ruined me when it comes to battery life.
I used Nobara Linux with rtx3080 laptop battery life is 1hr on dgpu mode but gaming is fantastic and honestly aside from the heat and the battery life my 17.3in <=5lb gives my MacBook Pro 16 m1p a run for its money. Each has its uses and benefits the pc laptop was much cheaper bc I bought with minimal ram and storage and upgraded for cheaper. Sure wish I could just pick one though. Would save a lot more money.
I’d like to try a Pixel with Grapheme OS. There a so many good, open source, privacy focused apps now that I think it could be workable for my personal use.
But, Pixel phones aren’t cheap and it would require another phone line. Too much outlay for a hobby phone.
IOS is a decent compromise between privacy and usability.
But, Pixel phones aren’t cheap and it would require another phone line. Too much outlay for a hobby phone.
IOS is a decent compromise between privacy and usability.
Well I can tell you with 100% certainty that I am no casual gamer and with my M4 MBP, I have zero problems with any game I play.There is a big difference between a gamer who wants to build a computer for the best performance and a Mac user who also wants to play an occasional game. I can also most certainly take my Prius to track day, but I don’t think I will impress with my lap time.
To get back on topic, this is a thread in an Android subforum. Welcome! We were talking about how to have less Apple in our lives.
Ofc, ymmv.
I have been using both iOS and Android since their launch. Added Mac around 2006 to my Windows stable.
I have drifted back and forth, using both but focusing one more than the other. Added Linux about 2015.
For the past decade plus, Apple, due to the integration was more so my main.
The last few years, my contract work became mostly Windows. I never have been a big gamer, mostly doing RPG type games. I did iOS app development for a few years. It became more pain than fun. Android dev? Looked and skipped. Have always done beta testing for Apple since it became available. The last few OS’s, the bugs have become SOSDD.
As time went on, I found Apple becoming more and more insular, sharing and interacting across OS’s became more of a pita. Instead of just working, I always to had to keep “will this work with Apple?” as a primary concern. The hardware was top notch but the software was becoming more of an issue.
As my need for Mac became less, as iOS started down the buggy path, I started taking a harder look at my needs.
Anything I could do in Apple, there are alternatives that allows me to do it across OS’s. I can do more with Android than I can with iOS. iPhones no longer have the best cameras. Light weight, long battery life laptops exist for both Mac and Windows. My MBP was the only device I had without a touchscreen.
I found myself using my Apple items less and less. My iPhone became work only and now that they support foldables - game changer, but it removes my need for an iPhone.
It isn’t so much that I decided to stop using Apple, rather Apple stopped being the primary device I depended on.
Will I try an iPhone again in the future? Maybe. I do still have my iPad. However, Apple has become a closet item in my daily life, home and work. Innovation and Apple are two words I no longer equate with each other.
Then there is Ai. Apple mucked that one up.
Am I ready for it? Have been for a while. Just finally decided to clean out my closet.