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Hmmm... Verrry interesting.

My new IMac should be here in a couple days, and i've been wondering how to get all my old from the 2006 one to the new. So i was just about to ask this question myself. But after reading all this, it looks like a quick and simple manual method and a couple re-installs would be better. My old Mac has a lot of issues i'd rather never see again, plus many apps i'll never use again. My browsers have all stopped working properly (so no settings to save), it was set up initially with start-up apps that either are unused now, or outright obsolete (i hate the mail app, and i still get bloody MSN chat every time i start up), its clogged with widgets i never use (and could never get rid of) and really... i think i've added maybe two apps in 9 years i'd reuse... both were free.

So... documents, pictures and music really... pretty sure thats ALL i need or want from my old rig.

And whether a valid concern or just the paranoia of another noob, i too am worried about migrating any 'crud' or bad stuff from my sick old beast. I want a fresh start.
 
Hmmm... Verrry interesting.

My new IMac should be here in a couple days, and i've been wondering how to get all my old from the 2006 one to the new. So i was just about to ask this question myself. But after reading all this, it looks like a quick and simple manual method and a couple re-installs would be better. My old Mac has a lot of issues i'd rather never see again, plus many apps i'll never use again. My browsers have all stopped working properly (so no settings to save), it was set up initially with start-up apps that either are unused now, or outright obsolete (i hate the mail app, and i still get bloody MSN chat every time i start up), its clogged with widgets i never use (and could never get rid of) and really... i think i've added maybe two apps in 9 years i'd reuse... both were free.

So... documents, pictures and music really... pretty sure thats ALL i need or want from my old rig.

And whether a valid concern or just the paranoia of another noob, i too am worried about migrating any 'crud' or bad stuff from my sick old beast. I want a fresh start.

You're not being a "noob" at all. Not to flog a dead horse, but you're always going to get better results if you start with a fresh install and migrate data over manually, especially if you are coming from a machine with "issues". It can be a lot more work and hassle, but the results are worth it.
 
A lesson in how not to migrate, or how I spent last weekend...

Sorry, this post is a bit long and maybe mostly of therapeutic use for myself, but this is the story of my unmitigated migration disater:

Just this weekend I got a new retina iMac, and I was already keen to try out the wonders of Migration Assistant. In my mind, I had some idea that all it needs is a few clicks on the new iMac, a few on the old, then I would make myself a nice pot of tea, relax, and after an hour or so the new iMac would happily run along just like the old one. Only much, much better.

Boy, was I wrong.

First of course I had to check out the wonder of the 5 K display, and experience the speed that was definitely missing from my 2007 model. So I created an account to check that everything was working and typed in my iCloud password in about 20 different boxes. I saw that everything was good, and then I started the MA.

The first migration attempt didn't work because my old iMac was already on 10.10.2, which is obviously much advanced from that prehistoric 10.10 which was preinstalled on the new iMac. So I downloaded the update, plus some other updates from the App Store, rebooted and tried to run MA again.

Second attempt wasn't much better - MA complained that it couldn't merge the accounts on new and old iMac because the user name was the same. Well of course it was the same, as I am using this nick already for many years on my computers... Anyway I created a temporary account with admin rights, deleted the original account and tried again.

Third attempt - finally it seems to work. MA starts copying files, tells me it will take 11-13 hours. As it it was already late, I let it running through the night. Next morning, the countdown was already at 8 min, the progress bar nearly full, so I thought let's have a shower and then have a go at my new machine.

Freshly showered (me, not the MA), MA greeted me with the message that it would now start to copy applications, for about 1 hour 50 min. Okaaaay. The progress bar was still nearly full. Hm, I thought, at least I brought my laptop from work so that I can check my emails, so that's what I did.

From time to time, I had a look at the screen, and it was like a live performance of Back into the Future - 2 hours, 3 hours, 7 hours, 11 hours, 27 hours, and the progress bar still stayed where it was. At that time I thought Apple should probably rename the program to Continental Drift Assistant, as this was more in line with the time scale involved.

You probably know the famous paradox of the race between the turtle and the hare - it seemed Apple found a way to implement it in software. I was getting a bit nervous (knowing that in the original fable, the race never ends), so I googled a bit. There I found that MA problems like that are not uncommon, but some people had success by just waiting it out.

Anyway, I had some stuff to do so I decided to let it run on. After maybe some 2 hours I came back, and MA told me it was finished, only some files couldn't be copied over. Total running time of MA so far was maybe 18 hours.

Phew, I thought, even Apple cannot split digital units into infinitesimal fractions! So I gave the newly migrated system a try - but actually nothing worked. Trying out even simple "drag into application folder" type of applications, I only got some dialog boxes asking for my admin password, and afterwards some messages about problems with library files. Also my iTunes library was still missing, and generally the system looked pretty useless.

Well, let's wipe the disk and try again. So first stop was recovery console, but it looks that on the new Macs it somehow runs off the Macintosh HD - at least I couldn't erase the disk. So I thought I can try to do a reinstall of Yosemite.

2 hours later (most of which the installer told me that it would need 1 minute to finish), I had my system back, only now with 2 copies of my data, and still no program except for the built-ins working.

Well, let's wipe the disk and try again. This time I created the Yosemite installer on a USB stick (thanks, internet!), and finally got the fresh install that I was missing by now. Again, create account, type iCloud password in umpteen boxes, and start the MA.

This time I decided to use the backup from Time Machine which resides on my Airport Extreme.

For people who are new to Apple I should probably point out at this point that I am not some billionaire who is meddling with the space-time continuum at his private hangar somewhere in the Mojave desert. What I wrote in the last paragraph is just the usual nonsense that we Apple addicts say to identify each other. It makes us sound sooo cool.

Okay, open MA, select Airport disk, login as System Administrator - wait, did I ever set up a password for that? Let's check the Airport utility on the old iMac. Oh, there is a password! Now if could remember what is behind those black dots... Well, let's put a new one here, reboot the router and then back to the MA. Password not accepted. But wait, there is also a password for disk access on the router! So I type in name and password for this, login box dissapears and....

... nothing happens. Let's give it a few more minutes, after all I already wasted half my weekend on this...

... still nothing.

At this time, I felt nearly relieved. If MA doesn't work, let's move the files manually and reinstall all software from scratch. Thankfully I am on a fast internet connection, so after spending the whole evening yesterday downloading and copying and installing and copying and installing again, I am nearly at a point where the new iMac is actually becoming productive.

To sum it up: history has shown many times that migration is often a painful process. Apple has shown this too, at least for me.
 
Sorry, this post is a bit long and maybe mostly of therapeutic use for myself...

I'll give you credit for sticking with it. I would have tossed that thing out the window. :mad:

I think where you first got sideways was in creating an account on the new machine then trying to run MA after that. I posted a few posts up about how that can cause problems. The best practice it to do the import during the initial new machine setup before you make an account.
 
Berlepsch,

I am sorry to read about your tribulations. If you read this thread, which you have, you will see that I was thinking about using MA. I ended up doing a manual migration and it was very easy. One of benefits of a manual migration is that it is a good time to simplify your file structure and delete files that are not necessary. I wanted to add a comment for those who might be reading this thread in the future and might not have an external hard drive: external drives are cheap, 1 TB drives are often under $100. It is worth spending the money to pick up a drive to make the migration. Plus you will have a drive to use in the future.
 
I think where you first got sideways was in creating an account on the new machine then trying to run MA after that. I posted a few posts up about how that can cause problems. The best practice it to do the import during the initial new machine setup before you make an account.

What do you think, I get this spanking new beautiful machine sitting in front of me, and my first decision is *not* playing with it? I may be a patient man, but I am still a nerd, and thus it is my God Personification Of A Rational Universe given destiny to start playing around with new stuff before doing anything serious with it. :cool:

Anyway, it wouldn't have helped me either, because I had to upgrade to 10.10.2 first before the MA would accept my old iMac. Also, if creating a user first is such a problem for the MA, it would be bloody nice if someone from Apple would tell me about it. Instead, there is a firendly, "you can do this later if you like" message when you set up the computer.
 
What do you think, I get this spanking new beautiful machine sitting in front of me, and my first decision is *not* playing with it?

Oh believe me, I am not defending Apple here and it is totally jacked up the way this works. I was just offering a possible explanation for your troubles.

It does not seem like it would be that difficult for Apple to provide some warnings and an explanation of all this during setup. I'm completely with you.
 
What do you think, I get this spanking new beautiful machine sitting in front of me, and my first decision is *not* playing with it? I may be a patient man, but I am still a nerd, and thus it is my God Personification Of A Rational Universe given destiny to start playing around with new stuff before doing anything serious with it. :cool:

Anyway, it wouldn't have helped me either, because I had to upgrade to 10.10.2 first before the MA would accept my old iMac. Also, if creating a user first is such a problem for the MA, it would be bloody nice if someone from Apple would tell me about it. Instead, there is a firendly, "you can do this later if you like" message when you set up the computer.

You can still make things right by downloading the full installer from MAS and running it, and this time use the Setup Assistant which launches at the end of the install process to do the migration.
 
Thanks for your support guys, luckily I am now nearly finished with moving manually, and as driftless mentioned, I could leave some cruft behind on the old machine.

The only thing what is still nagging me is that my iTunes music somehow lost all its stars, and I had some playlists organized by rating. Also, the iTunes store couldn't provide artwork for some of my more exotic artists, such as Peter Gabriel or MGMT :eek: But I am already used to that...
 
Migration Assistant Not Working

Hello all,

I've been reading through this thread and my issue seems to be a unique one:

I'm trying to move everything from my '09 Macbook to my new 5K iMac, I've tried multiple times making multiple changes and I seem to be drifting further away from the solution rather than closer. I'll explain the steps I've taken thus far:

I ran MA when first prompted when setting up my new iMac. The transfer from my Macbook (running on Mavericks at the time) started off smoothly until it randomly quit the program as the transfer was about to begin. I restarted the process a few more times and the same thing happened each time. My Macbook was set to never go to sleep so it wasn't quitting because I left it untouched, it would just randomly quit and bring me back to the log in screen.

I then read somewhere that the problem could be due to MA quitting because I'm transferring data from old Mac to new Mac under the same user admin name. So I created a new admin name on my new iMac and deleted the old one off it. After updating everything on my new iMac, I gave MA another go - same result occurred.

After more research, I read somewhere that both Macs should be running on the same operating system, so I upgraded my old Macbook to Yosemite. Once that was done I tried MA again...now I can't even get past the stage of each computer recognizing each other, just both of them sitting at the "spinning wheel" loading/searching stage with nothing being recognized. Both are on the same wireless network and I even have them connected via an ethernet chord. I gave my computers a lot of time to recognize each other and the screen on my iMac went to sleep without recognizing anything, so I assume being patient isn't going to work.

Since I've moved backwards in my attempts to remedy this situation, I decided it's time to take to the forums to see if anyone knows the answers and can keep me from throwing my old Macbook out the window in a fit of rage.

The option of doing a manual transfer is still there, I just have no experience doing that so I'll have to do some homework before if it comes down to that.

Sorry for such a lengthy post - I figured the more specific I am, the better chance I have at finding some answers.

Thanks everyone
 
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Sorry, this post is a bit long and maybe mostly of therapeutic use for myself, but this is the story of my unmitigated migration disater:

Were both computers connected on the same network via wifi? That might explain the problem, why it took so damn long and why the length of time varied up and down. Migration Assistant is great but you can't tell which mode of migration to use. Best way to use MA from my experience is to put one computer in Target Disk Mode, turn off wifi/unplug from network and start MA. Hope this helps.
 
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Were both computers connected on the same network via wifi? That might explain the problem, why it took so damn long and why the length of time varied up and down. Migration Assistant is great but you can't tell which mode of migration to use. Best way to use MA from my experience is to put one computer in Target Disk Mode, turn off wifi/unplug from network and start MA. Hope this helps.

I tend to be a bit amnesic with regards to previous failures, but since you ask, both macs were connected by GBit ethernet to the same airport router and their IP numbers were in the same subnet.

Target Disk mode might be an alternative, but I found that reinstalling the apps and moving the user data is also quite fast. I could also fix the iTunes problems I had by simply copying my old library again.

My final suggestion for those that may have problems with the Migration Assistant is not to waste additional time on it. For a few people, and I am one of them, it seems it is not working; in that case making a fresh install of all apps and manual migration is the faster way. Luckily thanks to iCloud, App Store and other cloud services, a lot of of works goes nearly automatically.
 
You can still make things right by downloading the full installer from MAS and running it, and this time use the Setup Assistant which launches at the end of the install process to do the migration.

Hello, im in a similar scenario, i have a macbook air with osx 10.10.5 which i will be replacing with a macbook pro retina 13", now for what ive read the new rMbP will come preinstalled with osx10.10.2... So, how can i MA from inisital setup on the new rMbp if it has an "older" 10.10.2 vs 10.10.5 os than my older macbook air? Ismthere a way to update osx without creating a new user?

Thabk you very much!
 
Hello, im in a similar scenario, i have a macbook air with osx 10.10.5 which i will be replacing with a macbook pro retina 13", now for what ive read the new rMbP will come preinstalled with osx10.10.2... So, how can i MA from inisital setup on the new rMbp if it has an "older" 10.10.2 vs 10.10.5 os than my older macbook air? Ismthere a way to update osx without creating a new user?

Thabk you very much!

What I personally would do (but there may be alternatives)

1. Make a clone of your MBA onto an external drive.

2. Plug the external into your new rMBP

3. Boot your new rMBP from its recovery partition (restart holding cmd+R) and use Disk Utility to erase the main internal drive

4. Still booted from the Recovery Partition choose install OS X

5. It will download and install 10.10.5 onto your rMBP

6. At the end of the install process, before creating any user, it will ask if you want to import from existing Mac, Time machine backup, or something else, can't remember exact words. One of the options will allow you to select the MBA clone. This is the Setup Assistant...not same as Migration Assistant, but very similar. Set up assistant will import the users directly from the MBA, without the need to create a user first.

You could use a Time Machine backup of your MBA on an external instead of a clone. You could probably also have your MBA directly connected by Thunderbolt to your rMBP, but I am not personally familiar with the details of how you do that.
 
manual only

I always do a manual install, infact I do a complete fresh install every year and manually move everything over.

I did a test a few years ago and speed and responsiveness was night and day with a manual fresh install.

If I was more of a casual user or not doing a lot on it I wouldn't bother, on my wife or son's would just use MA as a manual process is a time commitment. However for me, I get so much bloat in my libraries and systems that a fresh install with only the minimum of what I need is a clear winner.

To do this, I get everything on old mac, current and up to date. run disk utility. on new mac, create a user account with the exact same user name, short name and password. all drives, named the same, identical.

then I go through and copy over the easy stuff like pictures, documents etc.. . after each main folder is copied I colour tag it on the old machine so that I know it is done.

mail has gotten a little trickier lately, I go in and create my mail accounts first, then bring my mail over. if I recall on the last attempt, had to fiddle with it to get my old mail recognized as it seemed like it wasn't showing up at first. prob can google that.

then I go through and copy items in my library that will be required and any important preferences or custom app settings from application support.

I wouldn't recommend this if you aren't very mac savvy as there can be lots of little hicups but if you want to try, it will be faster for sure. just make sure you copy files, not move them so original exists if you screw up.

also after that, I create a disk image of my old system drive and libraries and copy that over to new mac and if I ever need something that I forgot, can mount the disk image and grab what I need.
 
Agree 100%. There is nothing like a real true fresh install on a modern computer. It is like moving. A great time to clean out all your junk. And although I have no scientific proof, I believe the future reliability is greatly increased.
 
I have always used TM to move everything from an old Mac to a new one. It just gives the message that this is a one time only transfer or words to that effect and off it goes. Never had any issues - 100% reliable.
 
What I personally would do (but there may be alternatives)

1. Make a clone of your MBA onto an external drive.

2. Plug the external into your new rMBP

3. Boot your new rMBP from its recovery partition (restart holding cmd+R) and use Disk Utility to erase the main internal drive

4. Still booted from the Recovery Partition choose install OS X

5. It will download and install 10.10.5 onto your rMBP

6. At the end of the install process, before creating any user, it will ask if you want to import from existing Mac, Time machine backup, or something else, can't remember exact words. One of the options will allow you to select the MBA clone. This is the Setup Assistant...not same as Migration Assistant, but very similar. Set up assistant will import the users directly from the MBA, without the need to create a user first.

You could use a Time Machine backup of your MBA on an external instead of a clone. You could probably also have your MBA directly connected by Thunderbolt to your rMBP, but I am not personally familiar with the details of how you do that.

Hello, thanks for your quick response, i have a time machine backup onto my external hard drive, will that work with the setup assistant? How can i make a a clone of my MbA? Will the setup assistant also transfer eevrything from my time machine backup such as users, apps, docs, settings and leave my rMBp exactly as my MbA was?

Thank you!!
 
Hello, thanks for your quick response, i have a time machine backup onto my external hard drive, will that work with the setup assistant? How can i make a a clone of my MbA? Will the setup assistant also transfer eevrything from my time machine backup such as users, apps, docs, settings and leave my rMBp exactly as my MbA was?

Thank you!!
If you have a TM backup of the MBA you don't need a clone, but if you want to make clone of the MBA for added comfort look at Carbon Copy Cloner, Superduper, or you can just use Disk Utility (free). Google 'clone mac' for lots of hits.

Yes, Setup Assistant will import everything you tell it to (tick box options during the process). I am not going to guarantee it will be exactly like your MBA but it will be as near as you can get. You may find small odd things where some action is required. As always YMMV. I have done the above a few times and it always worked well, except once. That time the new machine was sluggish and not happy, and I ended up erasing it again and installing everything from scratch, as some have recommended. However you may as well try the Setup Assistant route, if you are not happy you can easily start over with a fresh install and have lost nothing except an hour or two.
 
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If you have a TM backup of the MBA you don't need a clone, but if you want to make clone of the MBA for added comfort look at Carbon Copy Cloner, Superduper, or you can just use Disk Utility (free). Google 'clone mac' for lots of hits.

Yes, Setup Assistant will import everything you tell it to (tick box options during the process). I am not going to guarantee it will be exactly like your MBA but it will be as near as you can get. You may find small odd things where some action is required. As always YMMV. I have done the above a few times and it always worked well, except once. That time the new machine was sluggish and not happy, and I ended up erasing it again and installing everything from scratch, as some have recommended. However you may as well try the Setup Assistant route, if you are not happy you can easily start over with a fresh install and have lost nothing except an hour or two.

thanks again for your help

So in conclusion there is not really an easy way to move everything from an old mac to a new mac if the older (MBA) one has a newer minor version than the new mac (rMBP) which i think it should be very common since there are 4 or 5 minor OSX updates every year.

If i try to use migration assistant the very first time i boot up the new rMBP with 10.10.2 it will just not let me go through with it because the TimeMachine backup was made from a 10.10.5 machine?
And if i use MA after i made the inisital setup on the new machine and update it to 10.10.5 without using disk utility as ive read will give me permission issues then i can just think the migration assistant is pretty much useless for a new mac...

edit: is there a way so if i make a manual install of everything (manual download every app my self etc...) transfer anyhow all my vpn wifi settings only to my new mac?
can i just transfer with MA mi settings without moving the entire user and avoid the permission issues after initial setup?

its a shame
 
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One more thing
im deciding definitely on making a clean install and manually setup everything by myself on the new mac, how can i move my itunes stuff so when i hook up my iphone in the new machine it wont try to delete my iphone?

thank you!
 
If i try to use migration assistant the very first time i boot up the new rMBP with 10.10.2 it will just not let me go through with it because the TimeMachine backup was made from a 10.10.5 machine?

Yes it will let you migrate like that. I have done it many times and never had a problem. Where you will have problems is if you are on an entire different OS X version, like trying to migrate a 10.10.5 Yosemite machine over onto a 10.7.5 Lion machine. But I have never had or read about others having trouble with just a point release difference.

I would just migrate over the data from the 10.10.5 machine then once it starts, run software update first thing before you even launch any apps or anything.
 
Yes it will let you migrate like that. I have done it many times and never had a problem. Where you will have problems is if you are on an entire different OS X version, like trying to migrate a 10.10.5 Yosemite machine over onto a 10.7.5 Lion machine. But I have never had or read about others having trouble with just a point release difference.

I would just migrate over the data from the 10.10.5 machine then once it starts, run software update first thing before you even launch any apps or anything.

mmm ok thats a new turn of events, but if you read what Berlepsch posted few posts above he said MA just didnt let him make the transfer to his new iMac:

The first migration attempt didn't work because my old iMac was already on 10.10.2, which is obviously much advanced from that prehistoric 10.10 which was preinstalled on the new iMac. So I downloaded the update, plus some other updates from the App Store, rebooted and tried to run MA again.

So now im not sure what will happen, i havnt received my new rMBP yet but im trying to plan everything in advance
IS it possible to just move with MA my network settings without making any conflict with my new mac user?


 
thanks again for your help

So in conclusion there is not really an easy way to move everything from an old mac to a new mac if the older (MBA) one has a newer minor version than the new mac (rMBP) which i think it should be very common since there are 4 or 5 minor OSX updates every year.

If i try to use migration assistant the very first time i boot up the new rMBP with 10.10.2 it will just not let me go through with it because the TimeMachine backup was made from a 10.10.5 machine?
And if i use MA after i made the inisital setup on the new machine and update it to 10.10.5 without using disk utility as ive read will give me permission issues then i can just think the migration assistant is pretty much useless for a new mac...

edit: is there a way so if i make a manual install of everything (manual download every app my self etc...) transfer anyhow all my vpn wifi settings only to my new mac?
can i just transfer with MA mi settings without moving the entire user and avoid the permission issues after initial setup?

its a shame

It is not as difficult as you seem to think. Just do what I suggested, it will be OK. The difference 10.10.2 to 10.10.5 is irrelevant as the rMBP will be 10.10.5 when you use Setup Assistant. Migration Assistant can give you the permission issues as the first user created is always UUID 501, so when you migrate your MBA user it will be UUID 502. That's why SA is better as it avoids having to create a user before migration.

If you don't believe me and it goes wrong, your new rMBP is no worse off than if you hadn't tried. Just boot from the Recovery Partition and do a fresh install without any migration.
 
It is not as difficult as you seem to think. Just do what I suggested, it will be OK. The difference 10.10.2 to 10.10.5 is irrelevant as the rMBP will be 10.10.5 when you use Setup Assistant. Migration Assistant can give you the permission issues as the first user created is always UUID 501, so when you migrate your MBA user it will be UUID 502. That's why SA is better as it avoids having to create a user before migration.

If you don't believe me and it goes wrong, your new rMBP is no worse off than if you hadn't tried. Just boot from the Recovery Partition and do a fresh install without any migration.

I understand, but whats the main diff between MA and SA? Will SA also migrate everything?

Now if i make the MA after initial boot and creating a new user, i just read this in the Apple.co m Migration Assistant help site...

If two user accounts have the same name

If your new Mac already has a user account with the same name as one you're trying to transfer, Migration Assistant lets you decide what to do. You can either replace the existing user on your new Mac, or give the user you're migrating a new account name.

Selecting the option to replace an existing user overwrites that user's Home folder on your new Mac. This can be convenient if you just set up your new Mac using the same account name and of your important data is still on your original Mac. Don't select the option to replace the existing user unless you're certain you don't have any important files stored in this user's Home folder on your new Mac.

will replacing also give me permission issues?


If i decide just to make a clan install and manually download everything, how can i just migrate my old MBA network and other settngs without migrating the whole user account, is that possible?

Thank you!
 
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