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MP 7.1 why not PCIe4 or 5???
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Are you really comparing a CPU chip price with a full system price?
Really? The mind boggles.
No of course not Aiden, we all know the MacPro starts at 8 Core, so keep your boggling mind settled down
PCIe 5.0 is already available for the server.
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It's not even a server CPU.
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It's not even a server CPU.
I mean both Xeon and Epyc are server CPU for better durability by decreasing the clock speed. You can check iMac Pro's CPU and Intel Core X series. If you gonna compare with Xeon, you gotta compare it with Epyc.
I know you are right but the thing is most Pros don't need server anything, give us high cpu Core count a few PCIe slots (3-4 would suit most) , fast RAM ( 128Gb at the most) and powerful graphics cards (Latest AMD) and call it day
"AMD just announced a 16 Core CPU for $799... PCIE4 and people somehow stick up for the MacPro 8 Core at $6000"
If that isn't comparing a CPU price to a system price....the mind boggles.
And please list all of the PCIe 4.0 devices that you can connect to that not-yet-shipping CPU....
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https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/31/gigabyte-aorus-nvme-pcie4-ssd/
https://www.techradar.com/au/news/amd-radeon-rx-5700-rx-5700-xt
New Graphics cards running at PCIe4
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That was really fast, since the PCIe 5.0 1.0 standard was ratified May 29…
Way too fast...Where's the link to the product with PCIe5?
Besides that PLDA soft IP controllers based on 0.7 specification, it's not a product but the IP for making it, there is anything else?
Please show me a server that have PCIe 5.0 today? Any server.
PCIe 5.0 will be a 2021, or later, product. It was ratified less than two weeks ago and will be announced at PCI-SIG dev conference on June 18.
They are highly likely going to move to PCIe 4 first. 1-2 years ago they had to commit to the work that will come out in 2020. PCIe 5 wasn't done then and they really didn't need more risk ( fab process had already blown up in their face).
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...-5.0-roadmap-leaked-granite-rapids,39403.html
You can't just 'slap' PCIe v5 on the CPU without working out a substantially faster internal bandwidth to the CPU package. ( if double the amount of data coming in you have to then move that data to the CPUs without substantially blocking. If adding more cores also then have to route all of that also without major traffic jams. ).
Sunny Cove / Ice Lake was a micro-arch change that Intel worked over last couple of years. PCIi-e v4 was relatively well know over that time so they weaved it in. PCI-e v5 is going to have to wait for the next micro-architectural bump and that isn't coming out of the pipeline until 2021.
AMD side stepped that a bit by forking off the I/O connections into a seperate chiplet and also just doubliing the width of Infinity Fabric. Trying to double the width of Ifinity Fabric again is going to be awkward. They need something else for PCI-e v5 for much of the same reasons why Intel needs something new for PCi-e v4.
Intel is moving to PCI-e v5
"... The use of PCIe Gen 5.0 is also a big element to Agilex, as it allows customers to connect directly with future PCIe 5.0 host devices, but it also allows for Intel’s new Compute eXpress Link technology, which builds upon the PCIe 5.0 physical standards. ..."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14149/intel-agilex-10nm-fpgas-with-pcie-50-ddr5-and-cxl
But they aren't going to skip v4 on the CPU side. CXL is another relatively new wrinkle to what they have planned going forward and it will take a while to weave that into the CPUs.
If Global Foundaries hadn't thrown a curve ball at IBM's Power10 path that probably would have been the first major move to PCie v5.
Here’s another new pcie4 ssd we won’t be able to use at speed whenever apple (the maker and seller of fine vintage computers) gets around to actually shipping its over priced and underpowered juicer. Oh you say it’s a cheese grater? No, it’s an Apple loyalist money juicer.
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GIGABYTE’s Aorus Gen4 AIC SSD 8 TB Launched: Up to 15 GB/s — AnandTech
After originally showcasing it at Computex a bit earlier this year, GIGABYTE has officially introduced its quad-SSD PCIe 4.0 adapter card, the AORUS Gen4 AIC. Designed house up to 4 NVMe SSDs, the card is essentially a multi-way M.2 adapter, allowing a PCIe 4.0 x16 slot to be used to drive four...
Yea, that's theoretical. Real world will be less. And how many lanes is that? Yea right. Exactly. But please, keep letting us know how great it is to have half the bandwidth but pay double the price for it...
I don’t believe the 15 is theoretical but actual If it’s filled out. But again please, more apologies for half the bandwidth at twice the cost...
Then buy a PC with PCIe4 and be happy, what are you still doing here? I'm pretty sure if I go in a PC forum telling PC folks how great Mac are(there are many good reason to enjoy a Mac) they will quickly label me as a troll.
I'm happy with the value proposition for what I'll be spending. But again please, tell me how I should spend my own money...
there you go some time around 2021 PCIE 5 will be on intel so you can wait till 2022? maybe for PCIE 5 on apple
www.anandtech.com
can we end the topic now ?
LGA4677 Socket Spotted: Future Server Socket with PCIe 5.0 Support
can we end the topic now ?