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All these months and there's still nothing to touch the Palm Pre.

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And? There's a reason the Pre Plus is selling buy one get one free for $50 and the iPhone 3G is still $100.
 
I do not know if I am doing something wrong but when I open Pandora and start listening to music, I swap to Mail, Safari or some other app to multitask but the Pandora music shuts off... so, cannot listen to Pandora and read email at the same time.

What am I missing here???
 
I do not know if I am doing something wrong but when I open Pandora and start listening to music, I swap to Mail, Safari or some other app to multitask but the Pandora music shuts off... so, cannot listen to Pandora and read email at the same time.

What am I missing here???

Can't "multitask" until the developers update their programs.
 
Can't "multitask" until the developers update their programs.

I have been looking to find that information on everywhere thinking they would put up the new updated Pandora for the 4.0 since they proudly presented it. I guess what they meant was; we will have it available but maybe not even until the official 4.0 is out :)

Thanks!
 
But...what are the downsides, again? Give me a situation in which these APIs won't be sufficient.

Twitter and IM clients. Push notifications SUCK. And everybody here knows it.
 
All these months and there's still nothing to touch the Palm Pre.

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Yeah. I'm sad that after all this time the Apple still can't program iPhone OS to burn out the phone's battery after half a day. Shame.

Twitter and IM clients. Push notifications SUCK. And everybody here knows it.

Oh. They work fine for me. :/

I do wish Apple had redesigned the notification platform, actually. That's really my only disappointment with this update.

I have been looking to find that information on everywhere thinking they would put up the new updated Pandora for the 4.0 since they proudly presented it. I guess what they meant was; we will have it available but maybe not even until the official 4.0 is out :)

Thanks!

Yeah, it's not going to be on the App Store until closer to launch, I'd guess.
 
#1 is where im more confused. would safari continue to load a page if i clicked the home button to return to the home screen (or double click to bring up the app switcher) and open another app?

Well, the new OS makes it possible for Safari to do this. Whether Safari is built to actually do that is up to how Safari is programmed. A lot of this stuff is based on the apps themselves. For example, Pandora is updating so it can play music in the background...if your favorite music app doesn't update then it'll never play music in the background.

So what will Safari do?

So I'm guessing it will do this, but I don't think we can say for sure yet. I'm reasonably sure that Safari will change between the current 4.0 beta and the final version, so I don't think anyone can say for sure what it will actually be like in the final version.

But I would say there will be a good chance of that happening.
 
Twitter and IM clients. Push notifications SUCK. And everybody here knows it.

Push notifications are the best thing ever, you can keep tens or hundreds of apps "listening" without wasting any RAM or CPU, 24/7. Try to do the same with a "classic" multitasking, impossible.

If Apple improves the battery life and make the notifications less intrusive (I want them to appear in a corner and fade out, like some themes in Growl, instead of blocking what I'm doing on the phone), they're a total win. In the meantime, it's good that Apple have built the platform around such notifications.

I have saved hundreds of € in SMS thanks to Push Notifications, they are the perfect way to bring IM and Social Networking on a mobile device.
 
Push notification is a win in so many ways.

In testing Scrabble with friends, they often receive their push notification before my Scrabble client even finishes the points scored animation.
 
That is exactly how Safari has already worked for a long time.

when i open a URL in safari, and while the page is still loading, i hit the home button to take me back to the home screen to open mail, after i exit mail and go back to safari, the page picks up where it left off, or starts loading all over again....it doesnt continue to open the URL after i exit safari by hitting the home button
 
Twitter and IM clients. Push notifications SUCK. And everybody here knows it.

So lemme get this straight.. With 4.0, I still wont be able to let Whatsapp (or any other IM programme) to run in the background? i.e. receive message, open programme, connect to server & download message? If yes, that kinda suk
 
So lemme get this straight.. With 4.0, I still wont be able to let Whatsapp (or any other IM programme) to run in the background? i.e. receive message, open programme, connect to server & download message? If yes, that kinda suk

I've been using beejive for awhile and it does exactly what you want. Sure it doesn't run in the background, but I never miss a message either. Push notifications works just fine. The beejive folks keep me logged in, and push any new messages to apple, who then pushes it straight to me phone. Same goes for sports scores, news updates, etc. They all work great.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of listening to pandora in the background, and apple's approach of caching an app to memory and only leaving essential processes running in the background to help preserve battery life seems like a good idea once you think about it.
 
So lemme get this straight.. With 4.0, I still wont be able to...

Yep, apparently YOU WON'T.

But there's debate about how IMs will actually work, because what if Whatsapp devs use the new "Task Completion" feature to keep your connection open for 5 minutes after you "fake-background" the app? (the Task Completion feature is limited to 300 seconds).

And let's not forget that apple is endorsing the "fast app switching" feature, giving devs a lot of new tools in the SDK to do that. Virtually every app could be updated to offer the "instantly back in action" feature we saw in TapTap during the keynote, of course this doesn't include connection to the IM server but as I said that could be handled (with 5 minutes expiration, but it's good if you're jumping back and forth to the IM app) using Task Completion maybe.

So while technically you cannot really background the WHOLE app itself, there are tools that could be used by devs of Whatsapp, Beejive, etc. to make the "resume experience" more "seamless".
 
I've been using beejive for awhile and it does exactly what you want. Sure it doesn't run in the background, but I never miss a message either. Push notifications works just fine. The beejive folks keep me logged in, and push any new messages to apple, who then pushes it straight to me phone. Same goes for sports scores, news updates, etc. They all work great.

I agree, I'm too very satisfied by Beejive (with its 24hrs login expiration that keep me logged literally 24/7) and push notifications. Looking forward to an upadate of the app to implement the new "improved suspension state" (or "Fast app switching") for 4.0. It would be enough for me, no need to keep the whole app running in background.
 
when i open a URL in safari, and while the page is still loading, i hit the home button to take me back to the home screen to open mail, after i exit mail and go back to safari, the page picks up where it left off, or starts loading all over again....it doesnt continue to open the URL after i exit safari by hitting the home button

Yea, thats what I get as well, I was really hoping that multitasking would let it to continue to load the page but it doesn't in the first beta
 
Yep, apparently YOU WON'T.

But there's debate about how IMs will actually work, because what if Whatsapp devs use the new "Task Completion" feature to keep your connection open for 5 minutes after you "fake-background" the app? (the Task Completion feature is limited to 300 seconds).

And let's not forget that apple is endorsing the "fast app switching" feature, giving devs a lot of new tools in the SDK to do that. Virtually every app could be updated to offer the "instantly back in action" feature we saw in TapTap during the keynote, of course this doesn't include connection to the IM server but as I said that could be handled (with 5 minutes expiration, but it's good if you're jumping back and forth to the IM app) using Task Completion maybe.

So while technically you cannot really background the WHOLE app itself, there are tools that could be used by devs of Whatsapp, Beejive, etc. to make the "resume experience" more "seamless".

I do hope the developers could find a way to make it seamless, for it is definitely not as it is. A major weakness in an otherwise flawless experience with iPhone.
 
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