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haralds

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The album artwork took a while for me, but I have over 420 gb of music. It will populate, just give it time. I agree though, there are still some issues to be fixed.

I think the artwork thing is due to doing away with .xml files and identifying metadata a new way? Just suspecting this.
My art work is actually IN the music files, but for many of them it does not see it.
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Has "Column Browser" been added to "Songs" view yet? That being missing is the most annoying thing for me :(
It's in the current Music 1.0.2 that is part of the 10.15.2 beta.
 

EdwardC

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Jun 3, 2012
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Equalizer is still a major issue for me. I am using Boom (paid app) in the mean time for system wide equalization. Looking forward to the next update to hopefully cure this issue.
 
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chrisdazzo

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Still waiting for a decent NowPlaying app since Music's miniplayer doesn't like to snap to corners. For some reason, the only app "Silicio" keeps crashing for me. Any suggestions?
 

mikzn

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Sep 2, 2013
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Equalizer is still a major issue for me. I am using Boom (paid app) in the mean time for system wide equalization. Looking forward to the next update to hopefully cure this issue.

Not sure if the is what you mean but FWIW the equalizer is still available in Music - same as it was in iTunes - column view and available in the Window Menu

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jgrove

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Jul 18, 2006
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10.15.2 Beta does not solve the login problems in Music, TV and Podcast Apps. I am still unable to sign into those apps. The sign in works, it accepts my ID and Password, but just reverts to the application screen and none of my content appears and the app is not signed in. This must be an authentication issue, rather than an app issue? Have sent feedback vie the beta reporting tool.
 
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Fanfarlo

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Nov 3, 2019
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The album artwork took a while for me, but I have over 420 gb of music. It will populate, just give it time. I agree though, there are still some issues to be fixed.

For me it carried over artwork for maybe 60% of my music collection and then just stopped. No automatic population so far. I have to manually choose get album artwork in album view but even that only works for certain albums now. Even though the album title and all metadata is exactly as it is in Itunes store it's not able to find the album. And of course there's no way to select multiple albums to get album artwork anymore. You have to do each individually. They even removed the get album artwork option from songs view.

It honestly feels like Apple has purposefully downgraded the local part of the Music app to get people to pay for their streaming service. Either that or they have a new team for this Music app that are completely clueless.
 
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WilliamDu

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It's inexcusable for an OS to damage existing iTunes files or artwork such as my 15,000 and growing tracks of purchased and ripped music from public library files as well as from the iTunes store over the years since it started. The upgrades also disappeared a bunch of my iPhoto images several upgrades ago. No more for me.
It's incredible to me that anyone even considers the use of Catalina after even a brief scan of these forum horror stories.
I've been using Macs since there was one in 1984, unfortunately now there is no practical alternative to MacOS, but Mojave is it for me for the foreseeable future.
Frequent on and off line disc and DVD backups are essential due to the garbage Apple is putting out. Time Machine can no longer be trusted. Would be Mac purchasers take warning.
 

BF1M

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10.15.2 Beta does not solve the login problems in Music, TV and Podcast Apps. I am still unable to sign into those apps. The sign in works, it accepts my ID and Password, but just reverts to the application screen and none of my content appears and the app is not signed in. This must be an authentication issue, rather than an app issue? Have sent feedback vie the beta reporting tool.

BS. I have a scheduled call with them today at noon. I’ll let everyone know what they say about this.
 

BF1M

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Just got off the quick call. Was told to wait for future point releases but they are working on it. Won't be fix in 15.2 which people are already reporting.


...yea
 
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joelovesapple

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For me it carried over artwork for maybe 60% of my music collection and then just stopped. No automatic population so far. I have to manually choose get album artwork in album view but even that only works for certain albums now. Even though the album title and all metadata is exactly as it is in Itunes store it's not able to find the album. And of course there's no way to select multiple albums to get album artwork anymore. You have to do each individually. They even removed the get album artwork option from songs view.

It honestly feels like Apple has purposefully downgraded the local part of the Music app to get people to pay for their streaming service. Either that or they have a new team for this Music app that are completely clueless.

I was able to select multiple albums and Get Artwork though so how come you couldn't? I'm on 10.15.1 . Granted not all album art appeared that way, but some did. And then later I'd scroll back up and see that more of my David Bowie albums had populated. Odd.
 

Fanfarlo

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Nov 3, 2019
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I was able to select multiple albums and Get Artwork though so how come you couldn't? I'm on 10.15.1 . Granted not all album art appeared that way, but some did.

For me it only does one album when you select multiple -> right click -> get artwork. It only does the one you right click on.
 

haralds

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Jan 3, 2014
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Get Album Artwork does nothing. This is probably because it is already embedded in the tracks.
I wish there was a way to kick Music in reindexing its library.
 

PenGates

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Nov 14, 2019
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I cannot agree with those who say the Music app in Catalina is like using iTunes. I have spent about three full days trying to figure out how to use Music but it has been such a huge frustrating pain for me that I am going to go back to Mojave. I rarely listen to music but I do have a large audiobook library, about 500 books, but I have not been successful at figuring out how to easily use Music so that I can easily load books onto my iPod Nano, like I used to be able to do in iTunes. It might let me load one book out of ten, the general message for those not loaded being that the "book is not authorized on this computer" or "book cannot be found" which is wrong because the books are there. A lot of my books are from Audible and Music has not let me load even one of those books, I have about 200 from Audible. Therefore, Music is absolutely useless for my needs, and has become completely loathsome. Back to Mojave for me.

Yes, Apple is a for profit company and caters to the majority of their customer base who are Apple Store buyers. I'm not one of those. I am one of many who have audiobook libraries, but it would appear that Apple is no longer friendly toward us. Otherwise, why would the "genius" who designed the new Music App kick we audiobook listeners to the curb?
 
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murtiuso

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Apr 28, 2020
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For a few days I have removed Catalina and returned to Mojave.
Catalina gave me a lot of problems, it seemed that I was using Windows XP, it was already maddening.

Below I show a series of problems I have had with Catalina arranged by category, although they are not all, only the most annoying. Apple is aware of its errors, but does not rectify.


My main machine is a Mac mini 2012 with 2 SSDs and to which I connect an external graphic that I can use thanks to a hack called "Purge Wrangler", not thanks to Apple, but I also have a MacBook pro from 2017 and the same thing happens with Catalina on this machine.


32 bit

There's Windows 10 running 64-bit or 32-bit code without question, couldn't Apple have created something to run 32-bit that only runs if you need a 32-bit application? Something like what happened to Snow Leopard running PPC code. If you don't want it, don't install it or remove it and everyone in peace.

I can not watch TV because eyeTV 4 (which is 64 bit) is paid, I have version 3 for years, which does not work well virtualizing Mojave or other Mac OS, because Apple does not open the graphical functionality for virtual machines .

I cannot play a series of Steam games; I have over a dozen games that I can't play because it's 32 bit. Steam is 64 bit, but it installs 32 bit games without you knowing that they are 32 bit, so you know when you are going to play that game.


Bluetooth

Catalina does not connect with a Bluetooth headset that I have, while if I reboot in Mojave, this does connect perfectly with it.


Backups

Before, with Carbon Copy Cloner backups, you could easily see everything that had changed, looking at the CCC folder at the root of the disk where you made the copies, organized by date. Now I have to spend all day pulling commands and mounting routes, without actually being able to see what occupies the most in the mounted Time Machine copies.


Also, with the amount of space that Time Machine sanpshots take up, I never know when the system is telling me the truth with the amount of gigabytes I have free. I have to be wasting time to see what has been copied, to recover something concrete and for the space.


iCloud

Sometimes it asks many times to log in.


iPhone

I have the iPhone completely turned off, because the battery has run out and I have not yet charged it, and the Finder continues to show me the mounted iPhone even though I have already ejected it several times.


Finder

In both Catalina and Mojave, when I select a series of files, and move them, the number of files is displayed just below the cursor, so you don't see how many files are selected. I have to activate the status bar. Does it cost so much to put the red circle a little closer, instead of just where the cursor is?.

The free space that the finder tells me, which is already very deceptive, is different if I start from the Mojave partition.

It tells me that a disk is being used by the Finder, when there is no task with that disk.

I lost some labels that I had to recover by entering the disk where I have Mojave installed.

I am simply copying things from one disk to another and the Finder turns itself off.

The iPhone is continually mounting to the Finder even though I have it set to not sync over Wi-Fi and I don't even have the Music open.

Finder does not obey: click on a window and it is set to change the name, click on a window and it is not selected, I have to click for the 2nd time, click on a window and soon the focus is on it, click on a folder and then click on search and write, and it changes the name of the folder, I do it again and the same thing happens, I am looking for something, I hit the x to clear the search and it won't go away, something has just been copied and the icon is still copying.


Mail

There have been those who have had problems with Mail.

I did not find emails searching, which after manually selecting them and searching again, still did not show them to me in the search.

I continually get the window that I should approve plugins, when such plugins are already approved.


Music

Before, with iTunes double click on a list and it started to play; not now.

I open Music and it does not appear, tab + cmd and it does not open although it is seen here, click on the icon in the dock and now it does appear.

Not being able to use iTunes playlists in DJ’s and other programs that use iTunes playlists.

Music is a mess, when before in a list that was randomly played it would go to the next song and then you wanted to go back to the previous one, or to the previous one of the previous one, etc., there was no problem; Now depending on the day, when I go back, a random song comes out, not the one I just heard. Before, random play was only forward.

Also with Music, I'm looking for a song and the appropriate results don't come; yesterday I looked for "heroes del silencio“, and that came to me and "deekline", with songs that had neither "heroes" nor “silencio” and I lost myself among a lot of songs.

With the same program I hit the play symbol in a song and it doesn't play, I hit it again and now it does; at another time I hit the play symbol on the same list and now it does play the first time I hit play ... a real mess.

Separating music from video and podcast on Catalina was supposed to improve performance, but iTunes on Mojave does better than Music on Catalina.


Partitions

Always mounted the normal and the read-only partition, confusing at all times, in many programs. The read-only partition should have been completely transparent to users, in all programs, booted from the booting operating system, not to be confused for backup programs or whatever. That only the system takes it into account and does not disturb anyone.


Safari

Synchronization with iCloud is slower and sometimes freezes telling me often that “bookmarks that can't be changed right now” or something like this.

For the 1st time safari is going slower than Chrome.

It starts horribly slow.


Spotlight

I tell spotlight not to index a partition where I have Mojave, because I have repeated programs on both partitions and they come out repeated in spotlight searches, and when I start in Mojave, it tells me that you can't use spotlight because I have it blocked. What right does Catalina have to ban search in Mojave?

Spotlight is not looking for things for me correctly. I am looking for an application with Spotlight, which I see with the Launchpad, and in Spotlight it does not appear.


More things

Before installing Catalina, the system does not warn you of everything that is 32 bit and I think that the list of 32 bit applications in the system information does not say all the 32 bit applications either.

Catalina is horribly slow for a lot of things.

Applications that do not enter full screen as an activity monitor.

I have an LG screen that has a program for Mac called "on Screen control", which loads very slowly in Catalina, while in Mojave it is normal.

The system installations are very slow.

Before, you could put a stack of recent programs and documents in the Dock (thanks to Onyx), not now. The only thing left is 3 recently opened programs. A trash.

I hit command and tab and it freezes.

There are many more problems. Right now I am looking at cross-platform alternatives for mail, notes, reminders, calendars, etc. I am already using Chrome as the main browser and I am happier than with Safari (I have always used Safari as the main browser and Chrome as a secondary one). The Linux Mint is fine, for games, Linux is getting better, also with Vulkan (which Apple does not want, Apple will know why). Apple is tiring us already. As this continues in a short time ... I'm leaving and goodbye to Apple. Apple gives you good things but it also makes you have a bad time. With Apple a user is never just satisfied, if it is not for the price of a machine, it is because they discreetly "force" you to buy a new machine.

I do not want to think who has spent a huge amount of money on the new Mac's Pro and can not use Mojave, how bad it must be going in that regard and more if they do not know enough English.

All this gives a wonderful disastrous user experience.


Conclusions

Catalina is awful, but it's not the 1st time that Apple has released a buggy operating system, something Apple isn't supposed to do.

As I say, this is many, but not all the errors that I have had with Catalina. Everyone will know the mistakes they have suffered and on the way the ugly things that Apple has done to them. How badly Apple has done to Catalina is not the only thing that Apple has knowingly done wrong:

Why Apple cut with eGPU support since the latest High Sierra releases on Mac mini 2012 ?: to force you to buy a new Mac.

Why does Apple not accept Vulkan?

Why did Apple cut Sierra and High Sierra support on Mac Book Pro 2008 when these systems can run perfectly on that machine ?: to force you to buy a new Mac.

Why is Apple not letting Logic Pro 2008 run on a virtualized Snow Leopard ?: to force you to buy a new Mac. I can't use my Logic Studio on a current machine because Apple doesn't want to, because Apple wants more money.

Does it cost you so much to enable the graphical functionalities when virtualizing Mac Os?

Why also have not released the new Mac's Pro with AMD processor and PCI express 4, and thus have it cheaper ?. Why is the basic model of Mac Pro worth $ 6000 and only comes with an RX 580 X and a 256 GB hard drive? I find it a real abuse https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/tower#

Why do they update the Mac mini 2018 and only give a little more hard disk for the same price? Are they laughing at us or what?

Why don't they put facilities for the eGPUs to work properly in BootCamp?

I bought a MacBook Pro in 2017. It started having keyboard problems; some keys were pressed multiple times when only pressed once. I went to change it, they put a faulty screen on me, and I had to change it again I don't remember now why. In the end everything seemed fine, but over time I saw that when I connected a mini jack for the sound, it was heard only from one side, or with a lot of noise going up and down ... I did not change it because I had to deliver jobs and the warranty was passed . And there I am, with a Macbook Pro that cost a lot of money, with sound defects, because I was tired of so much time for it to be repaired and on top of that it came with more defects, because Apple really does not have a decent technical service, but a fudge, but very pretty fudge huh. It is clear that I am not the only one who has had a bad time with Apple. What you do comes back to you.

If they tell me that within the operating system there is something to make older machines not work well, even if they are officially supported, and with that discreetly "force" you to buy a new machine, I believe it.

They do not force you directly to buy, but if you already have to do some work on Mac, it is really discreetly forcing yourself to consume more of their product, they do not allow you to continue with what you already had. Once they have you trapped they won't let you go.

I'm sick of Apple just thinking about making more money and they don't care about their customers.

They are very greedy, they are never able to significantly lower the price of their machines, they always want more money, and more money, and more money.

There are many alternatives to Mac, every day more. It may be time to take these alternatives seriously and abandon Apple, given that Apple users really do not care.

This I say the vast majority thinks, and much more, but for the moment they are silent and obedient. Perhaps it is time to stop and make Apple see that it must improve many things.

In case you do not believe me here a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbP-QhXpMYw) that shows that a number of things are better in Mojave than in Catalina, or that you go through a number of forums where each one exposes the problems they are having with Catalina. Thank you for your attention. Health and happiness to everyone.
 

cla9614

macrumors member
Dec 18, 2012
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Los Angeles, CA
I have a question, maybe you guys can help me with. I have an older 2011 iMac on Mac OS High Sierra. I'm trying to transfer music files and playlists using the Home Sharing function in the Music App on my 2012 MacBook Pro (running Mac OS Catalina). I've tried everything but nothing seems to work. It seems as if the new Music App isn't compatible with iTunes at all. I've deauthorized both machines and then authorized them again. I ensured that Home Sharing was turned on for both machines. It's beyond frustrating that I can't get the Home Sharing function to work between these devices. I'm a DJ hobbyist and I'd prefer not to have to use a USB thumb drive each time I need to transfer files...it's inefficient. Perhaps this has something to do with the Music App in Catalina not using XML files anymore?? If you know anything that could help, please advise. Thanks so much!!!
 

gustavopi

macrumors regular
Oct 29, 2008
166
30
Brazil
I have a question, maybe you guys can help me with. I have an older 2011 iMac on Mac OS High Sierra. I'm trying to transfer music files and playlists using the Home Sharing function in the Music App on my 2012 MacBook Pro (running Mac OS Catalina). I've tried everything but nothing seems to work. It seems as if the new Music App isn't compatible with iTunes at all. I've deauthorized both machines and then authorized them again. I ensured that Home Sharing was turned on for both machines. It's beyond frustrating that I can't get the Home Sharing function to work between these devices. I'm a DJ hobbyist and I'd prefer not to have to use a USB thumb drive each time I need to transfer files...it's inefficient. Perhaps this has something to do with the Music App in Catalina not using XML files anymore?? If you know anything that could help, please advise. Thanks so much!!!
I still don't have the long answer for that. What I did was plug my iPhone and the iTunes asked for an upgrade automatically, after that iTunes become compatible with both iPhone and Music of Catalina. But I don't know how to "force" this upgrade, not sure if it is iTunes or some library... not sure if I am helping, but it is possible to solve it...
 
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