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cadec

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Feb 7, 2020
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14.6.1 updated & new bug: unable to / no longer will cast/airplay from intel iMac to Roku tv

TBH could have happened from a previous 14.4 & newer update but just discovered this one on 14.6.1 when attempting again. (after multiple restarts, troubleshooting, etc. just won't work anymore.
 

bw44

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Jun 24, 2012
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Same here. Since 14.6.

Updated to 14.6.1 (23G93) yesterday and just got another erroneous "Updates Available" system notification.
Disappears when you open settings and search for updates (none) but still annoying.
Has only happened to me since going from 14.6 to 14.6.1. Has there been any resolution? Didn't find any link to another thread.
 

Grumpus

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Grumpus

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Even worse. No Rosetta folder inside Library/Updates; Even if I search in Terminal or display hidden folders in Finder. :)
Does /Library/Updates have anything in it besides ProductMetadata.plist?
Code:
$ ls -la /Library/Updates
total 176
drwxr-xr-x@  3 root  wheel    96B Aug 18 11:30 .
drwxr-xr-x  70 root  wheel   2.2K Aug  7 21:13 ..
-rw-r--r--@  1 root  wheel    87K Aug 19 16:15 ProductMetadata.plist
 

Steve Gosselin

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Sep 24, 2017
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Quebec
Does /Library/Updates have anything in it besides ProductMetadata.plist?
Code:
$ ls -la /Library/Updates
total 176
drwxr-xr-x@  3 root  wheel    96B Aug 18 11:30 .
drwxr-xr-x  70 root  wheel   2.2K Aug  7 21:13 ..
-rw-r--r--@  1 root  wheel    87K Aug 19 16:15 ProductMetadata.plist
Only index.plist + ProductMetadata.plist inside /Library/Updates.
 

Grumpus

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Only index.plist + ProductMetadata.plist inside /Library/Updates.
The spurious notifications seem to be harmless, so you might want to just ignore them until Apple pushes out a fix. The problem doesn't have anything to do with the Music app, so if you want to pursue things please make a post in this thread. I haven't seen a notification since removing /Library/Updates/Rosetta, but I don't have anything left in the folder other than ProductMetadata.plist, i.e. no index.plist.
 
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gank41

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Mar 25, 2008
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Thought this might be helpful in case anyone gets to this point like me-


Screenshot 2024-09-05 at 9.18.54 PM.jpeg


Time to go thru and clean up my Library I guess!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

MBAir2010

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May 30, 2018
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GUYS!
(or those who love and listen to their music from CDs or downloaded from 2010ish iTunes)

seems to me sequoia beta fixed many Sonoma problems with "music"
I can play an entire album without getting up and pressing the play button via mouse or remote.
the sound is better somehow and the album art works!

hopefully  wont revert this in the public release!
 

katbel

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Aug 19, 2009
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Just upgraded from Ventura to Sonoma. Everything is good but Music
still a big DISAPPOINTMENT, as it was in Ventura!
Do you think that apple does it on purpose to keep a lousy app because they want you to sign for their streaming service? I do not need their monthly service. If I need a new song I buy it
 
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ufukty

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May 4, 2024
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I wish Apple to just give us option to install iTunes at this point. The original release of Music app was frustrating (for both the stability, UI design and feature set), and the speed of improvement since then was so low, there left no hope on me that Music app will someday catch iTunes.

Bugs:

- Mac Music app breaks an album’s tracks into two or more albums while downloads them after buying from Mac iTunes store like they are preparing to a meiosis. Albums get the same name and album artist but different tracks. Sometimes deleting tracks, waiting couple days, resurrecting them from hidden purchases and downloading again solves the issue. Funny thing is that, like in real meiosis, after a while Music app comes with duplicating entries for the same song, one has a number as suffix in its filename and/or cloud status is failed.
- Mac Music app downloads only the some of the songs from a fully released, preordered album. iTunes show the rest of the songs with “PURCHASED” button, doesn’t let me download them. there is no item in the hidden purchases or waiting downloads. The album fully released like 1 month ago.
- Mac iTunes store doesn’t show the correct button on bought songs on artist page and album page. While re-buying a song already purchased from album page results with iTunes asks to re-download; re-buying a song from a bought album on the artist page results with second transaction.
- Even though I don’t have an active subscription, right click “Go to artist” button on a song that is in my library sends me to Apple Music page of the artist.
- Whenever I buy a song from iOS iTunes, iOS Music app immediately deletes it from the library after downloads it. This doesn’t happen in Mac Music app.
- UI is generally slower than iTunes. Transition from Albums to Album view takes 1-2 second.
- Album view and tracks view reload album covers for a duration user can notice each time a track rating updated. Reload is observed as flash. The duration of problem might be related with the library size. In this case this is a software design issue that misses on scaling the system, since the number of visible items are capped with the screen resolution and not with the library size.

Unjustified UI design choices:

- Placements of the search bar and Library/Store selector being at opposite ends of the window is leading to unnecessarily long and fast mouse travel. Which I use too frequently as I use iTunes store and local library.
- Sticky playlist headers are unnecessarily big that you find yourself considering buying a 27” monitor to use a music player. Their stickiness provides no obvious benefit.
- Previous iteration of generated playlist images based on 4 topmost songs against current abstract graphic based ones were slightly better in terms of providing faster-to-process visual cues to recognize a playlist placed amongst others.

Most of the issues here exist for years.

By the way is there a replacement people here use, on par iTunes? Cloud library, ratings, smart playlists, m4a, performant-scalable UI etc.
 

katbel

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I wish Apple to just give us option to install iTunes at this point. The original release of Music app was frustrating (for both the stability, UI design and feature set), and the speed of improvement since then was so low, there left no hope on me that Music app will someday catch iTunes.
...snip snip
There is a possibility though, not from Apple, but I was able to install it on Ventura and magically still works after upgrading to Sonoma. not all features but the one I like for playing my Music, my way

I don’t need convincing I was just quoting the developer of Retroactive.
I haven’t tried Sequoia yet, but I’m sure I’ll be able to install iTunes just as before ;-)
iTunes 12.6.5.3 – 12.8.3.1 on Apple Silicon https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/itunes-12-6-5-3-on-apple-silicon.2354390/
Alternative to iTunes/Music https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-classic-itunes-reboot.2425105/post-33101579
 
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ufukty

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May 4, 2024
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There is a possibility though, not from Apple, but I was able to install it on Ventura and magically still works after upgrading to Sonoma. not all features but the one I like for playing my Music, my way
Thanks, I've tried the retroactive in past, either in Mojave or Catalina. Overall it was working as usual. I fuzzily remember there were some annoyances. Maybe library state syncing issues between Music and RA iTunes. Although now, according to the github repository, the project is archived. I'm not sure if there is a viable alternative at this point. I've tried some 3rd party Macos players. Which all lack iTunes Match syncing and requires additional process to sync back and forth with Music. It looks like we all vendor locked in with giant libraries and nowhere else to go. I've even considered Winamp on VM at some point to cut the ties completely :)
 

Slix

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I wish Apple to just give us option to install iTunes at this point. The original release of Music app was frustrating (for both the stability, UI design and feature set), and the speed of improvement since then was so low, there left no hope on me that Music app will someday catch iTunes.

Bugs:

- Mac Music app breaks an album’s tracks into two or more albums while downloads them after buying from Mac iTunes store like they are preparing to a meiosis. Albums get the same name and album artist but different tracks. Sometimes deleting tracks, waiting couple days, resurrecting them from hidden purchases and downloading again solves the issue. Funny thing is that, like in real meiosis, after a while Music app comes with duplicating entries for the same song, one has a number as suffix in its filename and/or cloud status is failed.
- Mac Music app downloads only the some of the songs from a fully released, preordered album. iTunes show the rest of the songs with “PURCHASED” button, doesn’t let me download them. there is no item in the hidden purchases or waiting downloads. The album fully released like 1 month ago.
- Mac iTunes store doesn’t show the correct button on bought songs on artist page and album page. While re-buying a song already purchased from album page results with iTunes asks to re-download; re-buying a song from a bought album on the artist page results with second transaction.
- Even though I don’t have an active subscription, right click “Go to artist” button on a song that is in my library sends me to Apple Music page of the artist.
- Whenever I buy a song from iOS iTunes, iOS Music app immediately deletes it from the library after downloads it. This doesn’t happen in Mac Music app.
- UI is generally slower than iTunes. Transition from Albums to Album view takes 1-2 second.
- Album view and tracks view reload album covers for a duration user can notice each time a track rating updated. Reload is observed as flash. The duration of problem might be related with the library size. In this case this is a software design issue that misses on scaling the system, since the number of visible items are capped with the screen resolution and not with the library size.

Unjustified UI design choices:

- Placements of the search bar and Library/Store selector being at opposite ends of the window is leading to unnecessarily long and fast mouse travel. Which I use too frequently as I use iTunes store and local library.
- Sticky playlist headers are unnecessarily big that you find yourself considering buying a 27” monitor to use a music player. Their stickiness provides no obvious benefit.
- Previous iteration of generated playlist images based on 4 topmost songs against current abstract graphic based ones were slightly better in terms of providing faster-to-process visual cues to recognize a playlist placed amongst others.

Most of the issues here exist for years.

By the way is there a replacement people here use, on par iTunes? Cloud library, ratings, smart playlists, m4a, performant-scalable UI etc.
I've experienced a few of these issues too, and they're all annoying. The worst part is that there are even more issues I've experienced too, mostly related to syncing iPods, which was basically perfect on iTunes under Mojave and below.

Still no Music widget on macOS after they said it was coming soon a year ago too...
 
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katbel

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Can't edit the wiki page, but I would like to suggest the addition of a newly emerging bug on Sonoma 14.7:

Inputting more than one search keyword and pressing RETURN consistently leads to the message: "Something went wrong. Please try again later".

This bug is documented by many users on its own Apple Support page.
Music App - Search error: "Something went wrong. Please try again later."
Sorry it happens to you and to others, but it doesn't to me when I search both my library or the store, and I tried to use more than two words.
I add that I keep my music on an external disk
 
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jchap

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Sorry it happens to you and to others, but it doesn't to me when I search both my library or the store, and I tried to use more than two words.
I add that I keep my music on an external disk
Thanks for the quick reply! Actually, I just checked it this morning, and it is working now on Sonoma 14.7. Apple might have done a server-side fix.
 
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