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My 3G, Droid, Verizon and my thoughts...

thomamon

thomamon

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OK, So I've searched for similar threads and couldn't quite find anything like what I am about to say. I'm looking for opinions from iPhone users and Droid users!

I've had my iPhone 3G for 14 months now and I've loved almost everything abou it! I know there are rumors that Verizon will get the iPhone this year, but I'm not holding my breath on that or holding out on that to make my decision.

I talked to one person who just gave up their iPhone for a Droid, he's stuck in an area where all he could receive was the slowest internet from AT&T and he was frustrated. He really loves the Droid, the customization possibilities he said are great and far and away better then the iPhone. He said the Apps are good, and they have more at this point then the iPhone had at the same time. Which is encouraging, I love the ESPN Radio App :)

So here is what I do not like about the iPhone!

  • It is on AT&T
  • You can't use your own e-mail and have Push with it.
  • No True MultiTasking

If the last two items are not met in with the new iPhone, I may really considering switching back to Verizon for the Droid.

What features/additions/enhancements do you think/do you want Apple to add to keep the iPhone on top of the pact of Smart Phones.
 
Not many people will reply to this thread.

I shall be straight foward: You should have taken more time to search...there are 'many many many' threads like this already. Sorry.

Good luck.
 
With respect to Push Email, this is entirely dependent on your email provider. If they support the Exchange Push protocols (as do Google or Mailstreet) then Push is supported.

Otherwise, you'll find Push no more supported on a Droid phone than it is on iPhone. Blackberry offer a pseudo push service to consumers whereby a Blackberry server will pole your POP, IMAP or Hotmail (assuming it's still supported) account every 15 minutes and push anything it finds to your phone. Good service IMO (I was a Blueberry user until my employer banned POP and IMAP in favour of Exchange Push).
 
thomamon said:
He said the Apps are good, and they have more at this point then the iPhone had at the same time. Which is encouraging, I love the ESPN Radio App :)

So here is what I do not like about the iPhone!
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Only reason why this statement maybe be true because Apps and App developers been around for mobile phones for a few years now. How many people were make Apps for the iPhone back then? I think Google Apps will catch up eventually.
 
Internaut said:
With respect to Push Email, this is entirely dependent on your email provider. If they support the Exchange Push protocols (as do Google or Mailstreet) then Push is supported.

Otherwise, you'll find Push no more supported on a Droid phone than it is on iPhone. Blackberry offer a pseudo push service to consumers whereby a Blackberry server will pole your POP, IMAP or Hotmail (assuming it's still supported) account every 15 minutes and push anything it finds to your phone. Good service IMO (I was a Blueberry user until my employer banned POP and IMAP in favour of Exchange Push).
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What are you talking about. My blackberry push both my GMAIL and Yahoo account to my phone instantly. It hits my phone at the same time it his my inbox online. The email do not come in 15 min chunks but when they hit the inbox online.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
What are you talking about. My blackberry push both my GMAIL and Yahoo account to my phone instantly. It hits my phone at the same time it his my inbox online. The email do not come in 15 min chunks but when they hit the inbox online.
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Internaut said:
Then you're either not using Blackberry Web Service or they've upgraded it since I last used it.
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No, it is because both Gmail and Yahoo mail support push. As Internaut originally stated, push is not so much dependent upon the phone as it is the service provider. It is up to the email provider to push the email to the phone, not the phone to pull (fetch) it form the provider.
 
I've enjoyed using my Droid far better than the iPhone. The iPhone does have some advantages, the biggest one spelled out here is the ability to use voice and data at the same time. Some people believe that on Verizon if you are using data and a person calls you that call will go to voicemail, which is simply untrue. The data will be paused and the call will go through normally. I've never needed to use voice and data at the same time, I dont remember ever doing it on my iPhone 3GS but if that feature is important to you stay with a 3G gsm phone.

Streaming Pandora on my iPhone in my truck for example sucked. Frequent cut outs due to loss of signal or the loss of 3G to EDGE. I'd get voicemails with no calls when streaming on trips because if your iPhone is on EDGE and is using data when somebody calls you it will go straight to voicemail unlike Verizon. Plus no multitasking, I hated having to exit Pandora to reply to a text then enter the app again. On the Droid it just runs in the background.

It's a sweet phone, and in my opinion Apple is now behind with 3.x and needs to play catchup for the first time since the iPhone was released.
 
abijnk said:
No, it is because both Gmail and Yahoo mail support push. As Internaut originally stated, push is not so much dependent upon the phone as it is the service provider. It is up to the email provider to push the email to the phone, not the phone to pull (fetch) it form the provider.
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Correct.
Not every email provider supports push.
The op needs to do some research on how push email accounts work.
 
Internaut said:
Then you're either not using Blackberry Web Service or they've upgraded it since I last used it.
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abijnk said:
No, it is because both Gmail and Yahoo mail support push. As Internaut originally stated, push is not so much dependent upon the phone as it is the service provider. It is up to the email provider to push the email to the phone, not the phone to pull (fetch) it form the provider.
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But Gmail and Yahoo do not push email to my phone. Both are routed to the BIS system and BIS pushes it to my phone. I know for a fact that Gmail has had push on the Blackberry for a hell of a lot longer than it has been on the iPhone.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
But Gmail and Yahoo do not push email to my phone. Both are routed to the BIS system and BIS pushes it to my phone. I know for a fact that Gmail has had push on the Blackberry for a hell of a lot longer than it has been on the iPhone.
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Cool. Sounds like Blackberry upgraded to either pole more or less constantly or support Push email from those services (which it then pushes to your Blackberry). It's been a couple of years since I last used Blackberry and the service supported by T-Mobile UK at the time was poling at 15 minute intervals.

I'm not sure if BIS was ever launched in the UK (service I used had a different acronym and I had to configure my email accounts to push to my Blackberry via a web page).
 
I have my own dedicated server with my own domains. When I had a BlackBerry, when I got an e-mail it would automatically buzz me on my phone when an e-mail came in. My wife just recently got the Storm(Don't ask me why) but when I set up her e-mail from our server on it, the same exact thing happens. When she gets an e-mail through my server her phone lets her know instantly. Same thing happens with her GMail account.

So instead of talking down to the OP, how about having a normal conversation and showing just a bit of respect? My friend who just recently got the Droid said he has push e-mail with his own accounts, which he did not have with the iPhone.
 
I have an unlocked Nexus One that is gonna go back. I love the OS, but just TMobile service in Baltimore is spotty, and slow.

Id keep my att service with the phone but then Im stuck with EDGE for the same price. When/if ATT comes out with some androids, Im going to take a hard look at them. IMO Apple is somewhat behind with 3.x, especially notifications. Id like to see some form of widgets too, much like Android.
 
kgeier82 said:
I have an unlocked Nexus One that is gonna go back. I love the OS, but just TMobile service in Baltimore is spotty, and slow.

Id keep my att service with the phone but then Im stuck with EDGE for the same price. When/if ATT comes out with some androids, Im going to take a hard look at them. IMO Apple is somewhat behind with 3.x, especially notifications. Id like to see some form of widgets too, much like Android.
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The Nexus One will be on Verizon soon and the Droid's on it now, so there are already options unless you're wedded to AT&T.

I wouldn't hold my breath for AT&T to release an Android phone - if they do, it'll probably be something unusual that won't be perceived as directly competing with the iPhone.
 
wombat888 said:
The Nexus One will be on Verizon soon and the Droid's on it now, so there are already options unless you're wedded to AT&T.

I wouldn't hold my breath for AT&T to release an Android phone - if they do, it'll probably be something unusual that won't be perceived as directly competing with the iPhone.
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ATT announce at CES 2010 that is has 3 Andriod phones coming to its network. ATT prepping to lose the excuse iPhone deal and my guess they do not trust Apple any more. Apple already showed it was willing to back stab it Mobile partners over seas.
 
wombat888 said:
The Nexus One will be on Verizon soon and the Droid's on it now, so there are already options unless you're wedded to AT&T.

I wouldn't hold my breath for AT&T to release an Android phone - if they do, it'll probably be something unusual that won't be perceived as directly competing with the iPhone.
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Ive read otherwise, 3-5 androids coming to ATT. Id love a new iphone too though.

And no, Im not wedded to ATT, but I have plenty of rollover id like to keep, and verizon service doesnt penetrate buildings at work "As well".
 
OllyW said:
What do you mean by this?
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Just go look at what Apple did to O2.
They did a secret deal with Vodafone so they could get the iPhone.
Vodafone could not go public with because Apple was in talks with O2 at the time and Apple let O2 assume that they were the only one they were in talking with. This got Apple a better deal with O2 but it only works once. After that companies will assume Apple always doing something like that behind there back and will treat apple as such.

The trust is gone.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
The trust is gone.
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There is no such thing as trust in business. I'm not privy to what had or is occurring over-seas so I'll not comment on that and whether apple was right or wrong. Rather I will say any business that blindly trusts another will invariably get screwed over.
 
maflynn said:
There is no such thing as trust in business. I'm not privy to what had or is occurring over-seas so I'll not comment on that and whether apple was right or wrong. Rather I will say any business that blindly trusts another will invariably get screwed over.
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There is such a thing as trust. You do not blindly trust another company but you at least can assume good faith. Companies that trend to show good faith to others tell you the truth tend to get better deals over the long term because they get the reputation that they show good faith and do not try to do unethical practices.

Unethical and illegal are not the same thing. For example Bid shopping is unethical but not illegal and if a company gets known for Bid shopping you are willing to bet that when companies turn in bids to them they will always turn in a hire price knowing that they will get shopped. Bid shopping is you put out a bid for a job then get them all in. AFter that you turn around and go to the other guys and say Company X gave me this price and company Y might lower there price. Then you go to company X and say company Y gave me this price, Then rinse and repeat.
While perfectly legal it is not ethical. I can pull infomation of of some of my old text books siting that.

Now you can get away with that stunt above once. After that company assume you will be doing that and will always turn in a hire price knowing that they are going to get shopped.

Good faith companies general get the best deal right off the bat. Now short term they do not get the best price on a given project but long term they work out to get the best deals. You do not want the reputation of going behind your partners backs which Apple has rightfully earned itself. After that point all deals are assumed that the company will do that.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Just go look at what Apple did to O2.
They did a secret deal with Vodafone so they could get the iPhone.
Vodafone could not go public with because Apple was in talks with O2 at the time and Apple let O2 assume that they were the only one they were in talking with. This got Apple a better deal with O2 but it only works once. After that companies will assume Apple always doing something like that behind there back and will treat apple as such.

The trust is gone.
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I don't know where you are getting this information from?

Apple only had a two year exclusive with O2 which has now finished. Orange (not Vodafone) were the first to get the iPhone in November after the end of the exclusive deal followed by Tesco (an O2 partner) in December, with Vodafone only getting it last week.

Selling through multiple networks is the best way forward for Apple and the iPhone.
 
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