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My coworker, who is on travel and is borrowing the iPhone, accidentally dropped it on the street and the screen cracked. When he showed the pics below, I was in utter shock. It actually hit the bottom corner of the phone, not the top, where it's broken.

I'm not gonna cry or pout about my iPhone - I'm just going to try and get it replaced

How this could happen is just beyond me - it literally only dropped 20 inches to the floor. One would think that the iPhones would be more shatter-proof than that.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9337996@N08/741014633/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9337996@N08/741014575/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9337996@N08/741014569/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9337996@N08/741625178/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9337996@N08/741625154/in/photostream

Fair warning to everyone - invest in a good iPhone protector!

Why, in the name of all that is holy, would you let a coworker borrow your iphone for a trip?
 
Seems like your coworker owes you a new iPhone. No debate.
It's amazing sometimes what different ideas people have about "doing the right thing". It's one thing when we're kids (friends of mine have claimed all sorts of tragedies with things I've lent them growing up), but with adults its a different story. If someone borrows something, its a somewhat 50/50 split on responsibility by default. If you make someone promise they'll take care of it, then in my opinion, it moves to 100% on their side. In the end though, a cracked screen is not the same as having an iPhone drop into a bottomless pit. The question is, how much does Apple charge to repair a broken screen?

I've called them and they said it would be $249 if that were to happen. They'd replace the screen, and if they couldn't replace it, they'd exchange the device. The woman on the line ALSO said that there will be a program announced at the end of July, but that it is not clear at this time what it will and will not cover with regards to damaged iPhones.

That said, I'd imagine the friend should AT LEAST pay the $249. Also, worth seeing the Apple Store you bought it from, as they may actually replace the iPhone for free. This being something I've heard them doing (possibly for a limited time).

~ CB
 
If someone borrows something, its a somewhat 50/50 split on responsibility by default. If you make someone promise they'll take care of it, then in my opinion, it moves to 100% on their side.

If you borrow someone else's property then you have to take responsibility for anything that happens to it in your care. You shouldn't have to ask someone to "promise to take care of it", because that is what people should do with other people's property without being asked. Whenever something is lent you assume they intend to take care of it, not abuse it, otherwise you wouldn't be lending it in the first place.

If I borrowed something off someone and broke it I would pay for it's repair/replacement. It's not fair asking someone else to pay for your mistakes, especially since they were doing you a favour in the first place by lending you something.
 
If you borrow someone else's property then you have to take responsibility for anything that happens to it in your care. You shouldn't have to ask someone to "promise to take care of it", because that is what people should do with other people's property without being asked.
I agree, and that's what I'd teach my kids. However, I think its only reasonable that if someone asked to use something, that if an accident happened to it, and they agreed to pay half, that it would still be acceptable... point being, next time you need to consider NOT lending things to that person in the future. Obviously the lower the value of the item, the more they should consider full compensation, but this is subjective.

Here's my deal... if you lend things irresponsibly, you need to be aware of the consequences of lending said item(s) to irresponsible people. You'll bust a lot of friendships unnecessarily, if you expect 100% compensation from friends that could never repay you. I've had friends who thought an "excuse" was sufficient. Those friendships ended unceremoniously.

Whenever something is lent you assume they intend to take care of it, not abuse it, otherwise you wouldn't be lending it in the first place.
I think this is a convenient position but not a practical one. The more something means to you, the more you should be prompted to get clear assurance that they'll be responsible for it. I think it would be foolhardy not to take such a communication as implicit. At a certain level, friend or not, you actually get out written agreements and unspoken "expectations" are dropped entirely. When the judge looks at you and you shrug and say, "Well I expected--" I doubt it will matter much.

If I borrowed something off someone and broke it I would pay for it's repair/replacement. It's not fair asking someone else to pay for your mistakes, especially since they were doing you a favour in the first place by lending you something.
Life isn't fair. Again, I say this as someone who's learned the hardway who to lend things to, and what NEEDs to be said before hand. As painful as it may be I believe in pre-nuptual agreements too. Would that the extra effort were not important, but I consider 50% a reasonable penance on expectations of compensation for someone that didn't confirm that their valued possession would be properly chaperoned. If that person were a true friend or responsible person, they would offer to pay 100%. This is different from what I should expect however. There's a reason why "setting expectations" is a common phrase.

~ CB
 
this almost happened to me when I just about ran over my phone this morning. Lucky catch. :rolleyes:

still dunno how it got under the wheel of the car, but i was pretty plastered last night, so I'm not that surprised.
 
Well he should have to pay but the bigger question is why would you let him borrow it?
 
You just fixed it how? Returned it and they gave you another one? Went to a glass shop and they cut you a replacement? Put a piece of Scotch invisible tape over it?? Please elaborate..

He was referring to his broken links - the flickr site.

plumbingandtech said:

"Very sorry to hear that. (your images are broken.)"
 
I guess I just expect people to treat others as they would like to be treated. Like I said, the agreement that someone takes care of something you lend them shouldn't need to be spelt out it should be a given.

You could take the other tact and say that a person who doesn't intend to look after something you give them should tell you that before they take it. This is no difference than making someone promise to look after it. It's all very legalistic, when people should be decent enough individuals in the first place for this all to be a given. If someone doesn't look after your property, or doesn't take responsibility for when they damage it, they aren't a very good person and to be honest I wouldn't really want to be friends with a person who thinks and acts like that.

But then again, I would never lend my iPhone to ANYONE if I had one. I don't understand why anyone would need a lend of one anyway.
 
I think its only reasonable that if someone asked to use something, that if an accident happened to it, and they agreed to pay half, that it would still be acceptable.
~ CB

Accident or not, the only acceptable outcome for the OP is for his coworker to replace the iphone. When something is borrowed, the borrower takes full responsibility for the borrowed item, anything less is ridiculous.

Seriously, people need to start learning to take responsibility for their actions or our entire society is going to go completely to sh*t. This goes double for all the people floatiing around lately who think that because they dropped, scratched, or otherwise damaged their iphone through carelessness, they should be able to exchange it for a new one. If it was not a manufacturers defect than act like a grown man (or woman) and deal with it.

[end rant]
 
IBut then again, I would never lend my iPhone to ANYONE if I had one. I don't understand why anyone would need a lend of one anyway.
I was driving my mother and a child she takes care of on an errand the other day. When the little girl realized what I was holding, her eyes got wide and she said "Is that an iPhone?!?" As I passed it back to her to check out, mother mother murmurred, "Be caaaarrreful...". I let her play with it for a minute and then held my hand out and got it back. that's about the extent to which I'd "lend" my iPhone to someone without additonal comment. Controlled environment. Time-limit. Line of sight.

If anyone I knew had the audacity to ask for an extended usage of the phone where they could take it out of my presence, provided I agreed and trusted them, they would not get it without my saying, "As long as you take responsibility for it, ok?" (and replied in the affirmative.) I'm not sure why this sounds so strange to folks.

Accident or not, the only acceptable outcome for the OP is for his coworker to replace the iphone. When something is borrowed, the borrower takes full responsibility for the borrowed item, anything less is ridiculous.
Honestly, if I was asked for it, and I simply smiled and said "Ok, here you go!" and handed it over, I'd have to be a somewhat different person to expect full compensation if they told me they or someone else we both knew were involved in damaging it, or that someone accidentally pushed them or something else. You can be as principled and hard-assed as you like, but meanwhile in the real-world, you have to deal with the curve-balls.
  • "I didn't expect it to be so slippery, you should have told me."
  • "Actually, it was Dave who dropped it, it wasn't my fault."
  • "Seriously, dude... If I had the money pay for one, I'd have got one myself."
It's a simple sentence, once said, clears everything up from the start. "As long as you take responsibility for it, ok?" Combined with my own good judgement on character, that's the only thing that would make me feel I should expect full compensation from the person that I lent the device to. In the real-world, some people simply don't automatically understand that they're taking responsibility for replacing something in case of a freak accident they didn't expect... unless you remind them beforehand. Trust me, it'll save you a lot of grief later.

My mother also takes in college students during the semester. Once, one of her tenants asked if she could get a break on the rent, because she wouldn't actually BE around for 2 weeks, while she visited some family. My mother felt insulted that she would ask her this. I asked her if it was in her rental agreement, and she said "no". While my mother still said "No", she had to deal with the result of clearly not specifying this ahead of time in her agreement.

It's ok to have higher principles for how you treat people. It may even be proper etiquette to also take full liability for anything you borrow by default. I just don't think adults should go around expecting these things without speaking up and stating it out loud to make sure everyone is on the same page. And remember, I'm saying this as a past "victim" of people breaking my stuff, and NOT as a perpetrator trying to get people to expect less of me.

~ CB
 
[*]"I didn't expect it to be so slippery, you should have told me."
[*]"Actually, it was Dave who dropped it, it wasn't my fault."
[*]"Seriously, dude... If I had the money pay for one, I'd have got one
~ CB

Sorry but that would not cut it. If excuses were on the menu that day I would have a few of my own.

"Sorry, it wasnt my fault, you made me kick your ass."
"Just reflexes dude, you should probably get that eye check out by a doctor."
"Ill just hold onto your car keys until I get my 600 bucks."
"So...what's the limit on your visa card?"
 
Sorry but that would not cut it. If excuses were on the menu that day I would have a few of my own.

"Sorry, it wasnt my fault, you made me kick your ass."
"Just reflexes dude, you should probably get that eye check out by a doctor."
"Ill just hold onto your car keys until I get my 600 bucks."
"So...what's the limit on your visa card?"
LOL. Fair enough. :D
Reminds me of the Family Guy episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZ4owNTvyY

I hear ya...

~ CB
 
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