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AeroUK

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So I tried a hackintosh mini 9 and couldn't get on with the keyboard or screen. Sent it back, selling white macbook and just ordered the top spec Air!

I really hope it does not have lines!!!!!!!!! How do I tell, is it pretty obvious!?

Aaron
London
 

HLdan

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If it does have lines, make the decision yourself if you feel it's fine. 99% of the time nobody ever notices it until they come here. You should be happy about buying your new Macbook Air and not be concentrating on issues you've read here. If the screen is overall very clear and legible with no dead or stuck pixels and the computer is not malfunctioning then keep it regardless of lines. If you've read about anyone here not getting lines it doesn't mean you have hope to get one without it. Just enjoy it and don't focus on the negatives you read here. Remember people that post here (including myself) are geeks and not the average consumer. Notice how every article posted on the front page MR news is rated negative regardless if it's completely positive and begs for no reason to be rated negative.
 

AeroUK

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Lines

Thank you, I agree with you. I am also a geek and very fussy. Not many things ever meet my 'consumer' standards!

However this machine will be costing me £1500 and is a serious hit to my budget. If it works the way I want then it will be a great addition to my iMac, if it does not I will be letting you know tomorrow and aksing for another...

Aaron
 

Scottsdale

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If the lines bother you via "NORMAL" use, you should absolutely send it back for a new one. I have seen more rev B MBAs without lines than with, by a big margin.

When people say if they tilt the display all the way back, and look on a white background at an angle from the keyboard, I think that is not normal use and why would someone care if the lines are visible from that angle.

I think being picky is ok, as long as you are realistic. If it looks perfect straight on 99.999% of the time, it's fine.

I think the odds are you will get a very nice MBA the first time. I don't think this is as big of a deal as a FEW people make it out to be.

Best wishes in getting the perfect MacBook Air.
 

AeroUK

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Air

Of course!

I bought a Sony Bravia, it was really cloudy when there was no picture on screen. This is fine as I do not watch the screen with no input signal!!!!!

I will report back tomorrow!!

Aaron
 

AeroUK

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Just got my air...

Hi,

Continuing from yesterday here are my thoughts...

FANTASTIC service and delivery, had it in less than 24 hours!!!

FANTASTIC machine, fast, light, much better than I imagined!!!

Now the bad stuff. There are lines and I can see them. Also I thought the machine was really slow but it was just the mouse click being unresponsive unless I press really hard (then it is fine).

This really annoyed me, these problems should not be happening this far into the machines life.

Called apple and the first guy said I have 1 year warranty but I was told I have 3 under education scheme (idiot).

Spoke to an American guy called Roy who is sending me another machine. I really hope I get a good one!

Also my SSD says 113 capacity. What is that about?!?! It is supposed to be a 128 SSD!!!!!!!! He said 128 is the average WTF?!

Your thoughts,

Aaron, London
 

Fizzoid

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Hi,


Also my SSD says 113 capacity. What is that about?!?! It is supposed to be a 128 SSD!!!!!!!! He said 128 is the average WTF?!

Your thoughts,

Aaron, London
I guess you're new to computers? You won't get 128Gb of free space on a 128Gb drive. You loose about 10% due to how the file system works
 

AeroUK

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Hd

No, I realise you lose space due to formatting but I did not realise you lost that much! Is SSD same as HDD in that area?

Aaron
 

simplenation

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Yes, thats about the same amount of available space on my HHD version. After installing some apps and doing updates I had about 90gb free.
 

AeroUK

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Hdd

It is fine, I can live with that as it is my 2nd machine (iMac is the other).

But do you have an unresponsive mouse click button and the grey lines thing!??
 

chrono1081

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If you think what you get after 128 is bad buy a terabyte drive and realize it only formats to 915GB : /

But ya like others have stated its the OS combined with how the file system works. I forget the full explanation off the top of my head (even though I shouldn't being a comp sci major) but oh well.
 

MacDawg

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Check out the Guide here at MR: Hard Drive Size Discrepancy

Hard Drive Size Discrepancy

Why does my new 500 GB hard drive report it only has 465 GB? Have I been ripped off?

No, you haven't been ripped off. 500 GB = 465 GB, strange as it seems.

The reason is that computers count a "kilo" something as 1024 (binary 2^10) while the rest of the world count a "kilo" as 1000 (decimal 10^3). A 'mega' in computer binary system is 1024 x 1024 = 1,048,576 (rather than decimal 1,000,000), and a 'giga' is 1024 x 1024 x 1024 = 1,073,741,824 rather than decimal 1,000,000,000

This creates a discrepancy of approximately 7% between the number of GB the computer reports, and what is advertised as the drive's capacity in GB. It is important to note that there is no difference in the number of actual bytes of storage - it is only a difference in reporting when the binary 'giga' terminology is used.

A 500 GB hard drive has about 500,000,000,000 bytes (it is never exact, commonly a drive is designed to have more bytes, to allow for a certain number of defective sectors to be mapped out). When counted on the computer, 500 Gb (decimal) = 500 billion bytes = 465.66 GB (binary).

Some propose using a different term, gibibyte (GiB) for the binary figure, however that is unlikely to catch on in the marketplace.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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AeroUK

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Hi

Thanks for that,

Anyway, went to Apple store Regent Street and all the Air's are the same.

Should I just forget it and get a macbook instead or keep sending back until I get a good one?! One Apple guy said he could not comment on the problem and the other said he could see them and he hates the air and never recommends it!! He said get a macbook instead!!!

Aaron
 

stoconnell

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Thanks for that,
Should I just forget it and get a macbook instead or keep sending back until I get a good one?! One Apple guy said he could not comment on the problem and the other said he could see them and he hates the air and never recommends it!! He said get a macbook instead!!!

I decided that I really liked the Air even though mine has a faint case of the lines (it has the 9C90 model screen), and I didn't want to engage in return roulette. Some will say that all your problems will be solved if you get one with the screen 9C8F.

You can get your screen model from going to System Preferences > Displays > Color > Open Profile and select option 13 (mmod).

The mouse clicks might be a sufficient cause to spin the wheel; however, have you played with the setting for the mouse to tweak the sensitivity? Also, I mostly use tap to click (disabled by default).
 

AeroUK

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Hinges question!

Hey,

Does anyone have a macbook air that has lasted for a long time, been carried around and USED and has not had faulty hinges.

I am really worried mine is going to break on me!!!!

Agh

Aaron
 

gr8tfly

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We've had ours for over a year, now, seeing daily use. I'd say it was "light" use, since it doesn't usually travel far (from desk to couch and back, mostly), but I'm sure the hinges have seen hundreds of cycles. No problems with them at all - they still feel factory new.
 

stoconnell

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Rockville (Despite REM's plea.)

Bummer. Like I said, I tend to use tap to click. I rarely use the physical mouse button (once you get the hole double tap and drag and tap to release for text selection down, you almost don't ever need the button -- I suspect this is what led to the buttonless touchpad on the unibody MacBook and MacBook Pro models). I think it's a bit stiffer than the one on the MacBook Pro (first generation) from work -- of course, that has been clicked a few more times ;)

Also, with the layout of the Air (button right near the edge), I suspect they make it fairly stiff. Also, there isn't much room for it to travel :)
 

IgnatiusTheKing

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I would turn on the tap-clicking. I never really liked it before, but for some reason I like it on the MBA (maybe because the MBA's button is so narrow).

At any rate, if you are unhappy, I'd definitely keep trading them in. I went the refurb route and have had nary a problem...so there are definitely good ones available.
 

HLdan

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Hi,

Continuing from yesterday here are my thoughts...

Now the bad stuff. There are lines and I can see them. Also I thought the machine was really slow but it was just the mouse click being unresponsive unless I press really hard (then it is fine).

This really annoyed me, these problems should not be happening this far into the machines life.

Aaron, London

Aaron, I had mentioned this on yesterday's thread of yours. The likelihood of you getting an Air with no lines is highly unlikely. Just because you may run across a poster telling you they got an Air with no lines doesn't mean you have hope. I have the new Rev B Air and mine has faint lines. After getting away from the MR forum members who blow things out of proportion ALL THE TIME, I have totally enjoyed my Air and I get work done which is what I bought it for, I use it for business. If the lines where so bad I couldn't do my business on this thing but that's not the case because it has FAINT lines. C'mon, be honest, you wouldn't notice them had you not read about it here. I'll bet there are other things about the MBA, MBP and Macbook that haven't even been discussed here but if you don't notice it then it's not a problem.

Yes, you should get an exchange if the trackpad is giving you issues, mine is perfect but keep the machine, once you "USE" the machine the lines will NOT be noticed, nor will you begin to care. If you're looking for perfection you're not going to get it here regardless what Apple charges, it's still a consumer product and not a custom built Bentley.

One more note, don't switch to the Macbook, you will hate the screen after using the MBA. The MBA has a beautiful high contrast screen which (IMO) is better than the MBP. The Macbook screen has very low contrast and washes out on black levels, you won't like it.
 

unshift

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May 1, 2009
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ditto, had mine since early 2008 - gets opened and closed around 6 times a day sometimes more - it travels with me everywhere gets used on trains, planes, at home and office - never had a hiccup - hinges appear as sturdy as the day it arrived
 
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