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dogtanian

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Note AV as well - not just for people who like to listen to music with a £10,000 cable up their arse...

The last gen Sony X3000 LCD was rated as a fantastic HD TV thus my choice of the latest X3500.

£10,000 cable up someones arse :confused: i'm confused!
 

tominated

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I'm in the UK. But Plasma has a far better picture than LCD. LCD is catching up, but most experts and reviewers agree, plasma is still far better picture quality wise. Pioneer Kuros are great.
Bulls**t. I have a plasma and after about a year everything started to speckle. LCD's are much better quality.
 

dogtanian

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Yep. Because one faulty product makes them all bad.

True, anecdotal evidence certainly isn't proof. To be honest I don't see plasma's as being substantially better. A lot of people still claim rear projections are still better but just like Plasmas, many manufacturers are dropping them in favour of LCD'S. :eek:
 

Killyp

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The last gen Sony X3000 LCD was rated as a fantastic HD TV thus my choice of the latest X3500.

£10,000 cable up someones arse :confused: i'm confused!

Honestly, you can do much better than the Sony for the price. Look for a Pioneer Kuro or Samsung.

The cable thing was referring to the tendency among the audiophile community to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a cable which doesn't make any difference to the sound whatsoever, and yet they believe they've got the best sound system possible...
 

dogtanian

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Honestly, you can do much better than the Sony for the price. Look for a Pioneer Kuro or Samsung.

The cable thing was referring to the tendency among the audiophile community to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a cable which doesn't make any difference to the sound whatsoever, and yet they believe they've got the best sound system possible...

Ah I agree about that, I've never bought into the whole Monster cable/Monster prices thing.

RE the LCD plasma debate, if I was to choose something other than the X3500 it would probably be the Samsung LE52F96BD LED backlit which is challenging Plasma's on the contrast side of things. I just actually couldn't bring myself to get a plasma, having worked in the past around LCD's and plasma's the LCD's would always have the upper hand.
 

Killyp

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Believe me. I work for an AV company on the weekends (I wont mention who, but it's not one of the brands mentioned in this thread), and Samsung make the best LCDs, with Pioneer or Samsung being the best plasma displays as well.

You do not want a Sony. They are relying too much on their brand name/customer loyalty at the moment, and you'd be getting an inferior TV. The best TV in their range is their entry level model, and it costs a considerable amount more than it's Samsung counterpart, despite the negligible difference in picture.
 

dogtanian

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Believe me. I work for an AV company on the weekends (I wont mention who, but it's not one of the brands mentioned in this thread), and Samsung make the best LCDs, with Pioneer or Samsung being the best plasma displays as well.

You do not want a Sony. They are relying too much on their brand name/customer loyalty at the moment, and you'd be getting an inferior TV. The best TV in their range is their entry level model, and it costs a considerable amount more than it's Samsung counterpart, despite the negligible difference in picture.

Am I missing something? like someone said previously, most LCD panels (not the other components inc tuners and backlights) from Sony are the very same as those from Samsung. How can they be so dramatically different? I'm not being rude, I would truly like to know! lol :D
 

Killyp

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The panel isn't the only thing which determines the picture quality of a TV. If anything, the electronics/software driving the panel have as much as if not more of an effect on the image than the panel itself. Samsung's image processing software is better than Sony's.

You're also missing the fact that Samsung stop using their LCD panels once they reach 40", whilst Sony feel the need to keep going right up to ridiculous sizes (where Plasma would be a much better choice).

Then there's also the price, which is higher on a Sony than it is on the equivalent Samsung.
 

dogtanian

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The panel isn't the only thing which determines the picture quality of a TV. If anything, the electronics/software driving the panel have as much as if not more of an effect on the image than the panel itself. Samsung's image processing software is better than Sony's.

You're also missing the fact that Samsung stop using their LCD panels once they reach 40", whilst Sony feel the need to keep going right up to ridiculous sizes (where Plasma would be a much better choice).

Then there's also the price, which is higher on a Sony than it is on the equivalent Samsung.

I certainly agree regarding the massive price hike between Samsung and Sony, it seems ridiculous that there should be such discrepancies between such similar displays. The other screen I was looking at is the 52 LED Backlit Samsung LCD though which has been rated highly across the net so they do make bigger LCD's. One of the worst features that puts me off Samsung is the fact that they use glossy-style glass in many of their displays, just like Plasma's... whereas Sony use the matte front. Just like the whole MBP Glossy vs Matte debate but on TV's.

I don't see it as ridiculous to make large size LCD's however, plasma's go up into large sizes, why not LCD's which are clearly gaining much more momentum and arguably significant market-share. Sony make a 70" for almost £25,000 which I would agree is a ridiculous price though. But the more they make the better the prices are for the consumer.

LCD's have over plasma's:

-Better viewing angles (On Sony's anyway)
-No ghosting
-Longer life span
-Considerably better power consumption

And most of the other plasma benefits have had over LCD have been blurred by the latest LCD gear such as the samsung 52" LCD with high contrast ratio.
 

nplima

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Just thought i'd share a project I have planned for the house I'll be buying shortly...
[...]
I am desperate to get home audio network via Airport Express in the bedroom. bathroom and study so thought it would be pretty cool to be able to control this from a touch screen terminal and also upgrade the media centre.

...and an in-wall media controller in the form of a new mac mini (with 802.11n of course! The media controller would be primarily used for relaying music around the house but in the future (when I could get round to it) also some basic and useful home automation.

Hi


Instead of using 2 computers (Apple TV and Mini) and a batch of external hard drives for that, you would probably save some extra work on "cable management" and possibly save some money if you used a MythTV box for your media serving and home automation needs.

Check out the google videos on mythtv to get a feel of what these things do. Obviously you can control it remotely from any Mac/webbrowser, but probably the snazzy remote control features will deal with most of your needs.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-4158622304296328704&hl=en-GB
(short one)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829
(full install demo, with remote control demo)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641045817693171683
(big techy one :) )
 

dogtanian

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Hi


Instead of using 2 computers (Apple TV and Mini) and a batch of external hard drives for that, you would probably save some extra work on "cable management" and possibly save some money if you used a MythTV box for your media serving and home automation needs.

Check out the google videos on mythtv to get a feel of what these things do. Obviously you can control it remotely from any Mac/webbrowser, but probably the snazzy remote control features will deal with most of your needs.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-4158622304296328704&hl=en-GB
(short one)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829
(full install demo, with remote control demo)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6641045817693171683
(big techy one :) )

Cheers for that mate, I have never properly explored mythTV before so it's cool to see what it can do. That is the sort of project i'd like to get my teeth into, unfortunately the other half want's something, and I quote, "that looks cool"... lol :rolleyes:

mythTV (from looking at the videos) has the proper functionality that something like Front Row/Apple TV should indeed have but with Apple's design panache. It just looks a little... clunky, even with the themes applied. Wish I could bring myself to get Windows MCE but I can't do it! Pretty and fairly functional but hate Vista.
 

GAS

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LCD's have over plasma's:

-Better viewing angles (On Sony's anyway) - Plasma has better viewing angles iirc[/B]
-No ghosting - LCDs are worse with blur
-Longer life span - Nope, same life span now, very old plasmas had short life
-Considerably better power consumption - Agreed

Plasma over LCD:

- Better Contrast
- Better/More Accurate Colour
- Better Motion Handling

But it's up to you. I strongly suggest you go and look at the Pioneer Kuros.
 

dogtanian

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Plasma over LCD:

- Better Contrast
- Better/More Accurate Colour
- Better Motion Handling

But it's up to you. I strongly suggest you go and look at the Pioneer Kuros.

Like I said I have seen and was impressed. I just don't think it's so black and white that plasma's rule over LCD's :rolleyes:
 

Killyp

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You're right it isn't, but it's very nearly a case of 'plasmas are always better than LCDs', but there are one or two (very unique) exceptions which I won't go into.
 

Killyp

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It's a brand who are often mistaken for charging stupidly high prices for their products...
 

Killyp

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Yeah, they do charge way more than what they're worth.

BTW, LG LCD panels are better than Samsung and at anything 42" or less, LCD is the way to go.

In comparison to the last Dell my dad's company bought, Apple charge way more than their products are worth.
 

dogtanian

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In comparison to the last Dell my dad's company bought, Apple charge way more than their products are worth.

Hmmm... I have been tending to agree lately. Luckily Mac OS X makes up for any hardware quality shortcomings, such as the GMA graphics in the mac mini which need updating.

I've always thought they should have lower margins on the mac mini so as to get windows users 'through the doors' so to speak.

Regarding the quality of Dell and Apple LCD panels, I think the mac-world has been patiently waiting for an update which may even things up again (Even if I personally have never seen any real difference apart from port offerings aplenty on Dell's).
 

Killyp

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I'd agree, and B&O are a very misunderstood company. Their TVs offer a lot more than just good design and better performance. If this was all they offered over the competition, then they wouldn't be able to charge the frankly ridiculous charges they get away with.

People don't know half of what B&O's TVs and stereos can do...
 
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