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Natural Scrolling - Are you using it?

You're interacting with images in iPhoto and Preview like they're actually on the trackpad, so why not treat pages you scroll with in a similar manner?

Got used to it quick. Can't go back.
 
cakebake said:
Macs aren't iPads or iPhones though - of course it makes sense on a touch screen when you're directly moving the content with it following your finger, but it doesn't feel right or at all intuitive to me on the trackpad of a MBP.

Scrolling down to go up doesn't feel natural on anything other than a touchscreen device
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In your opinion, that is. I think with a large track pad it feels quite natural, especially if you regularly use an iPad. This of course is also only my opinion. I felt the same way as you at first, but after a day or two, the old way of scrolling seemed unnatural.
 
I think it would feel natural with a trackpad, especially one as large as the Magic Trackpad, however, for me who just uses a traditional mouse it feels slightly awkward.

Call me old, but hell, natural scrolling in iOS works a treat, where as on a scroll wheel it feels ****.
 
The sucky thing is, if you turn it off, it inverts ALL movements.

While I think the vertical scrolling is counter intuitive, horizontal scrolling is not. Having it inverted makes horizontal sculling and desktop switching a real big PITA.

So I am now using natural, which is easier to adjust to than inverted horizontal scrolling.
 
throttlemeister said:
The sucky thing is, if you turn it off, it inverts ALL movements.

While I think the vertical scrolling is counter intuitive, horizontal scrolling is not. Having it inverted makes horizontal sculling and desktop switching a real big PITA.

So I am now using natural, which is easier to adjust to than inverted horizontal scrolling.
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Exactly. Feels much more natural now, actually. Apple was right again.
 
Patrick J said:
Exactly. Feels much more natural now, actually. Apple was right again.
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Not really, but they got close.

If you flip back a page in a book, you go from left to right - apple got this
If you flip to the next page, you go from right to left - apple got this too

However, if you scan a piece of paper, your finger moves from top to bottom over the paper - this how it used to be but reverse from what apple is doing now. I often read a page while scrolling down, like you would following your finger on a piece of paper, at which point it is completely counter intuitive to move your fingers up instead of down.

They are making things the same as on a touch screen, which is not necessarily the most natural way of doing things. The natural way of doing things is to follow the motion of reading, which is top to bottom.
 
It's impossible to use both a Magic Trackpad and a regular mouse at the same time. ARG. (90% of the time I use the trackpad for the gestures, but 10% is needed for precision work in Photoshop).
 
The new way seems unintuitive if you live in a scrollbar world. The old method scrolled the sidebar. Scrolling "down" meant pulling the scrollbar down, and thus the content down. It's a lot more intuitive now that Apple has removed all scrollbars. Scrolling "up" means pulling the content "up".

Perhaps Apple purposefully made "going back to the old method" a pain-in-the-arse in order to force everyone to the new method.
 
using it "natural" got used to it pretty quickly. now i always try to scroll the other way on other computers and wonder why it doesn't work lol
 
My problem with it is that I find scrolling downwards, on either a wheel or the trackpad, infinitely more comfortable than upwards. As I mainly scroll downwards when reading docs / web pages, it now means I have to do the uncomfortable two-finger flick upwards constantly, instead of a gentle downward movement.

On the iPhone it's ok as my hand rests in a position that's conducive to upward strokes with the thumb, but that's not the case on a Magic Trackpad.

Really unsure about this. Should I force myself to retrain?
 
Sonic said:
My problem with it is that I find scrolling downwards, on either a wheel or the trackpad, infinitely more comfortable than upwards. As I mainly scroll downwards when reading docs / web pages, it now means I have to do the uncomfortable two-finger flick upwards constantly, instead of a gentle downward movement.

On the iPhone it's ok as my hand rests in a position that's conducive to upward strokes with the thumb, but that's not the case on a Magic Trackpad.

Really unsure about this. Should I force myself to retrain?
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I found this, the action of closing my hand is easier than pushing my fingers away. However, the trackpad is so smooth that I hardly notice it anymore.

It's definitely worth it retraining. Everything in the system makes much more sense with the "natural" scrolling.
 
pyn said:
The new way seems unintuitive if you live in a scrollbar world. The old method scrolled the sidebar. Scrolling "down" meant pulling the scrollbar down, and thus the content down. It's a lot more intuitive now that Apple has removed all scrollbars. Scrolling "up" means pulling the content "up".
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THIS.

I understand change is hard people, but you can't argue that this concept doesn't make sense.
 
After using it today I'm starting to like it more and more. Once you get used to it, it feels natural. :)
 
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It took about 2 days but now I really like it.
 
I don't think it makes sense since the cursor doesn't move with the page as your finger does on a touchscreen.
 
ErikGrim said:
THIS.

I understand change is hard people, but you can't argue that this concept doesn't make sense.
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Of course you can. How many people are claiming "they got used to it" but not necessarily saying "this is better" or "this is how it should be". That's because the acceptance is primarily because Apple did it and NOT because anyone ever asked for it.

If the default was "classic" scrolling then most people would leave it as it is and not think twice. But because Apple made it the default then people are scrambling to make excuses about how there's a "natural" flow to scrolling despite how unnatural it is to use an external input device to blindly emulate movement on a non-tactile screen.

Just because Apple does something different doesn't mean the old methods were broken. And just because people don't readily accept Apples choices doesn't mean they are against "change".
 
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