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Are you kidding?

I'm sorry, but a student is not a professional, and professionals are the ones who are paid. What ever happened to gaining experience?

There used to be this thing called an Apprenticeship where you studied alongside the Master, learning the trade, and then setting out on your own.

I think it sets a bad precedent convincing people to charge for something for which they may not yet be qualified for.

Im still a student(4th year) and no way in hell am i working for less than £20/hour for web development (£10/hour photography/design work).

Don't know where this idea comes from that a students time is worthless, worth less than a professional yes but most certainly not worthless.
 
That is really cool, finally got a logo done and for free!

Here it is:

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you get what you pay for ... you could have done that better yourself for less than free
 
Teenagers are allowed on the internet now? Uh oh.

Made my morning <3 don't think OP knows that word however...

Don't be too sure. Way back when I was in elementary school, I was checking out my brother's dirty magazines and books while my parents were out and telling my friends about stuff I'd learned. By the time I was 12, I had already read "The Sensuous Woman" AND "The Sensuous Man", lol.
 
Are you kidding?

I'm sorry, but a student is not a professional, and professionals are the ones who are paid. What ever happened to gaining experience?

There used to be this thing called an Apprenticeship where you studied alongside the Master, learning the trade, and then setting out on your own.

I think it sets a bad precedent convincing people to charge for something for which they may not yet be qualified for.

No, I am not kidding...

The problem with working for free to get experience is you only get crappy experiences...

Professional is a tough word.. when it comes to design, it takes a *lot* more than simply getting paid for me to consider someone a professional designer.

Students today still "apprentice" via internships with design companies and corporations, but that is very different than doing a freelance project for free... but understand that very few internships are unpaid now... most students are paid at a reduced rate: 8 - 15/hour. The idea that you have to work as an indentured servant to get into the business has passed. Even the very competitive and desirable internships (ad agencies, etc) have some sort of financial incentive. Frankly, most students today cannot afford to spend a chunk of their week working and not get paid in some way.

I don't understand your last argument. If a student (or anyone) has created a design that is "good enough" for the client to use, why is it not worth paying for? If they are "not qualified", the work should not be used and they should not get paid. No-one is getting fooled here, and no-ones labors go unrewarded.

Design students do plenty of work for free... their schoolwork, which is designed to give them a measure of experience in both the visual and professional aspects of design. The difference is the only people who benefit from all that free labor is the students themselves. When they are ready (usually after two or three years of dedicated study) the students begin to intern and, if they choose, take on freelance work.

Every design student who leaves my program has 4 years of study in visual form and color, 3 years of study in typography, 1 year of information design, information architecture and interface/user experience design, and has spent 4 months personally captaining a professional-scale design project. They are comfortable working alone in a team, know the Adobe creative suite including After Effects, can program either in Java or AS3, and have one semester working in HTML5/CSS3/jquery. In this context, I have no issues with them asking for a bit of money (they don't charge "professional" rates) for their time, and I hear very little complaints from the people they work for.
 
Does being an ass to a 13 year old make you feel good about yourself? Or being an ass to anyone for that matter? Your website isn't exactly a work of fine art you know.

Demanding a logo ≠ Asking for Logo advice (which I do not mind steering people in the right direction)

That ain't my web site, I do look at it for a giggle. I didn't submit it but it did turn up there and I am really not surprised.

Again you get what you pay for...
 
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Thanks, I know what I need to look for now - damned if I'm touching it tho :p

Nothing is free. I dont go to a car dealership and ask for a free car.... why would you ask a designer for a free logo? Something isn't right. I am a design student and I get paid $20-$30 an hour for my works. I give nothing away, I do fun little projects just to challenge myself but no one gets those, just my experience.

If your a designer looking for experience then go drive around your town and find a logo on a building and just redesign it, DO NOT give it to the company, you don't pay you don't get anything. Simple. Nothing in this world is free.
 
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