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Thanks for some of the advice guys.

Basically after using Windows nearly all of my life I am finally switching to Mac and OS X. I tested it out for a week last month and loved it. It took me a while to get used to it, but now I really like it.

The reason why I am going for a Mac Pro is because I just want a powerful machine that is going to last quite some time. I have always had a fairly powerful Windows machine. And out of all the desktop computers that Apple offer, it seems that the Mac Pro is the most powerful.

I do movie editing occasionally and I play a lot of high definition content too.

I think I'm going for -

6 Core
32 GB Ram
512 SSD
Firepro D700's

That's a good configuration for pretty much any task. The 6-core is probably the sweet spot in terms of bang-for-buck this generation. I have 32GB of RAM and whatever isn't being used by Apps will be put to use by OS X as disk cache. The SSD is the only thing I'd probably recommend upgrading to 1TB, and I might do that in favour of the D700's but I don't know if anything you do has a need for that much GPU. D700s will probably buy you some longevity but they come at a fair premium over the D300s.
 
Thanks for some of the advice guys.

Basically after using Windows nearly all of my life I am finally switching to Mac and OS X. I tested it out for a week last month and loved it. It took me a while to get used to it, but now I really like it.

The reason why I am going for a Mac Pro is because I just want a powerful machine that is going to last quite some time. I have always had a fairly powerful Windows machine. And out of all the desktop computers that Apple offer, it seems that the Mac Pro is the most powerful.

I do movie editing occasionally and I play a lot of high definition content too.

I think I'm going for -

6 Core
32 GB Ram
512 SSD
Firepro D700's

Good configuration. Are you going to upgrade the ram yourself to 32GB? I suggest ordering the system with 12GB of ram, then order 32GB from BH Photo and Video for around $325. It's 2 16gb sticks, leaving 2 slots open to upgrade to 64 in the future.

If you order 32 from apple, you will get four 8gb sticks. If you want to upgrade later, you have to start over and toss those 8gb sticks, as they are not compatible with 16gb sticks. Same with 4gb sticks, they won't work at same time as 16gb sticks.

The 512gb drive is probably a good choice if you don't really need a ton of storage on the main drive or don't plan to use bootcamp. So the $500 needed to upgrade to 1TB could be saved until one day you find you need more fast storage, which thanks to thunderbolt 2, you can get a decently fast SSD external drive.

Also, having just received my system, I can say they are building and shipping them fast. I ordered a 6-core 1TB D700 config on August 12 with a ship to store option. It was estimated to arrive on August 25, but was ready for pickup on the 18th.
 
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The PowerMac G5 recently succumbed to this problem, having lost the support of major web browsers. For the most recent Power Mac, that was a lifespan of about eight years, including four years after it no longer met the requirements for the newest OS X. My guess is that the nMP will start to lose software support a year before the iMac does due to its older chipset.

Eh, I consider the lifespan of the G5 over when it couldn't upgrade to the latest OS. That puts some of the G5 models at around 3 years.

Not being able to run the latest web browsers is kind of like the first flower growing on the gravesite. It's great that you could still browse the web on a G5, but for a computer that was likely purchased to do so much more, it still means the computer was well past what it was meant to be doing.

32 bit Intel Macs and 32 bit EFI Macs ended up in similar boats. The 2007 Mac Pro users got about four years. Maybe a little more, I don't remember exactly when they were cut off.

The reality is with OS updates now shipping for free, a lot of developers are starting to heavily favor recent versions of OS X over older ones.
 
The reality is with OS updates now shipping for free, a lot of developers are starting to heavily favor recent versions of OS X over older ones.

Yeah, that's sort of the downside to Apple's strategy now. You get faster and free updates, and for devs everyone moves up much more quickly—but if they run into a hardware limitation that prevents the latest OS, it's a bit more of a brick wall than it was in the past, because support gets dropped for the old OS you're stuck on a bit sooner.

That said I'd probably expect 10.11 to keep compatibility with the current Macs as 10.8-10.10 have, unless there's some dramatic new feature; it'll just be a case of certain features not being available like the BT4.0 requirements.
 
Sounds like you need a maxed out 12 core. Buy two of them...maybe even 3. Purchase today, because tomorrow at midnight is the last day the machines are relevant before people start being only interested in the newer iteration.
 
That said I'd probably expect 10.11 to keep compatibility with the current Macs as 10.8-10.10 have, unless there's some dramatic new feature; it'll just be a case of certain features not being available like the BT4.0 requirements.

For the most part, 64 bit processors and 64 bit EFI are keeping things pretty stable. But I also don't totally discount the "weird thing that no one sees coming" possibility, like the Intel switch years ago. For example, if Apple decided to switch to ARM, you could see a lot of Intels suddenly get dropped.

Apple has made a few arbitrary changes before as well, like when they required Firewire ports. If Apple decided to require something like Thunderbolt or QuickSync, that might shuffle off a lot of machines.
 
For the most part, 64 bit processors and 64 bit EFI are keeping things pretty stable. But I also don't totally discount the "weird thing that no one sees coming" possibility, like the Intel switch years ago. For example, if Apple decided to switch to ARM, you could see a lot of Intels suddenly get dropped.

Apple has made a few arbitrary changes before as well, like when they required Firewire ports. If Apple decided to require something like Thunderbolt or QuickSync, that might shuffle off a lot of machines.

What was the actual reason for requiring a FW port? There's a few models that have TB but no USB3, but I can't see any Apple need to require a high speed IO connector, unless that's just a handy way of excluding older models that don't have the internals to keep up.
 
What was the actual reason for requiring a FW port? There's a few models that have TB but no USB3, but I can't see any Apple need to require a high speed IO connector, unless that's just a handy way of excluding older models that don't have the internals to keep up.

I'm not sure. I'd guess Apple wanted to drop support for certain older GPUs (such as pre-Rage 128 machines), or it could have been entirely arbitrary. Some of the pre-FW iMacs were quite slow at 233 mhz, but the Firewire Power Mac G3s started at 300 mhz, so the difference wouldn't be that extreme.
 
Yeah I was thinking of just ordering it with the standard 16 GB of ram and then buy 32 GB from a site like crucial at a later date.

Whilst I'm waiting to see what news in released regarding the Mac Pro, I've just bought a MacBook Pro, 13" i5, 8 GB Ram, 256 GB. Didn't want an entry level MacBook Air and didn't want to spend too much and I think that is an ideal spec for a secondary computer.

What do you guys think Apple is going to do about the Thunderbolt Display? Can't believe it was released in 2011! Surely they must be working on an updated slimmer version with 4K and Thunderbolt 2.
 
Yeah I was thinking of just ordering it with the standard 16 GB of ram and the buy 32 GB from a site like crucial at a later date.

If going to immediately 'retire' the 4GB DIMMs why buy four when you can buy just three ? It is cheaper to buy just three and apply that saving to the 8GB replacements you're going to acquire.

What do you guys think Apple is going to do about the Thunderbolt Display?

With LG starting to deliver TB "displays" and numerous other Apple products fiddling with changing LCD technology ...... I expect them to do a whole lot of nothing.

The minimized set of LCD specialist inside the company will be assigned to those shifts in embedded display products while 3rd parties fill the computer peripheral market.

Once everything has gone "retina"/hiDPI and those experts are bored with little to do, then might see an display docking station upgrade but not before. Also depends upon how much the LG thunderbolt display model design drifts out to the 2nd tier display vendors.

Can't believe it was released in 2011!

the Apple 30" Display sold from 2004 through 2010. 5-6 years for TB display would be 2016-17. Don't hold your breath. Apple also didn't move to match the TB display with the iMac 27" bonded glass technology either. Nor did they come out with a more affordable 21.5" model. There is no large development investment into the docking station display product line.


Surely they must be working on an updated slimmer version with 4K and Thunderbolt 2.

Not at higher priority than 4K , TB v2 iMacs. Until iMacs move to 4K, I don't see Apple going to a discrete 4K monitor. There is no volume pricing and part reuse to leverage.

Short term more likely get a revised set of 3rd party 4K monitors in Apple store on next refresh. ( straight forward revisions with DP v1.2 SST support instead of MST support).
 
What is suppose to be magical about Xeon E5 v4 ? There will be a bigger jump between v2-> v4 than v2 -> v3, but the delay is also likely twice as long. ( v3 could 'go' in December and v4 will probably be another year after that ). The supporting chipset is exactly the same ( Intel doesn't usually change workstation chipsets for an entire tick-tock cycle).

Only because v3 doesn't provide that much of a boost in numbers over v2, and by the time Apple got a nMP rev ready the chip would be showing its age.

That's interesting information about the chipset cycle. I agree that it would make more sense for Apple to stay on top of chipset updates.
 
Only because v3 doesn't provide that much of a boost in numbers over v2, and by the time Apple got a nMP rev ready the chip would be showing its age.

v3 showing its age? It isn't even released yet. Even if Apple rolled out in Jan-Feb ( a couple months after HP/Dell/Lenovo make their moves) it would likely still be another 6-9 months before v4 showed up.

v3 doesn't have to be hugely faster than v2. It primarily has to to fast enough for v0 (old 3600/5600 and previous) and v1 users ( of which none have Macs now) to want to move. This whole notion that n+1 have to completely obsolete the immediately previous version is deeply flawed. Most folks upgrading are moving from substantially older stuff ( 3-7 year old machines) or substantially slower and/or less capable systems ( mini or iMac ) if v2 wasn't "faster enough" to make them move earlier (e.g., the "my Mac Pro 2007-8 is fast enough" crowd ) then incrementally faster v3 will lure more folks than v2 did. It doesn't have to lure everybody, just enough for a successful sales run.

If Apple doesn't launch until late Spring '15 or Summer '15 the screw up there is Apple not "v3 isn't fast enough". It is far more Apple has too few folks assigned to do the work. There is no revolution in board/system design they need to do to roll out an updated Mac Pro. If they has some seriously lame "the dog ate my homework" excuse as to why they couldn't finish before Summer '15 then yeah sure since they would have blown it might as well slide into late Fall '15.

DDR4 probably needs some lay out tweaks. If they want to use the chipset's USB 3.0 then there is more routing from backplane board to I/O board. The GPUs are AMD with about the same amount of VRAM aren't a huge leap and if go to denser VRAM packages isn't that huge to do an increase. In short there is work to be done, but nothing here is a multi year project.

If Apple wrangled a semi-custom chipset out of Intel (e.g, dumped the SATA lanes they have zero use for and add some a x4 PCIe bundle for a second SSD) that might be a delay that is largely on Intel's plate. But if Apple is using standard Intel parts then they have had all the parts to do an update for a very long time. Other that not working on it there really isn't a blocker that should greatly delay them.

I expect Apple to be a little late.

First, they probably were juggling fixing late beta defects with working on next get prep last Summer/Fall. After Mac Pro came out of "black project stealth mode" the addition users extremely likely found overlooked bugs that needed fixes by launch (or shortly after launch). The MP 2013 almost immediately got a firmware update release largely supports that. Most of 2013 R&D time got spent on the 2013 Mac Pro , not the next one. All the triage probably caused some slide ( not enough to completely stall next gen work, but enough put hiccups in the schedule. )


Apple has a problem in that their competitors didn't skip v0 (Sandy Bridge). For the competitors all of their v2 release work was just minor tweaking of an existing design. That means they could spend most of 2013 doing v3 design work while Apple was still trying to get their v2 system release out the door. Apple isn't likely to catch up until they too can do a intra tick-tock cycle tweak-and-release update. That should come between v3 and v4 (if GPU or other chips release schedules don't get in the way).


Second, the GPUs + drivers are probably finishing later than the Xeon E5 v3 release. AMD only finished, released the non custom FirePros recently. The OS X drivers probably are lower priority than the Windows/Linux drivers those cards needed to launch with. Similarly Apple probably mutates off of AMD reference design which also probably wasn't done over a year ago. I doubt Apple's custom designs are ever going to come "Just as fast" as the non custom stuff that AMD (or Nvidia if they let Apple do custom "pro" cards) does. Nvidia didn't finish their Pro cards any faster so even if did switch probably is same situation.


There is no "wait for Thunderbolt 2 to go into volume production" problem this year, but the non Intel logistics isn't completely clean either.
 
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