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Colstan

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I am very envious, that's a great deal. You have more RAM than mine, a bigger SSD but less powerful GPU.
In terms of technology purchases, this was probably a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

I went with the W6600X as my GPU for three reasons:

1. The default 580X is showing its age, which is an understatement. That was the one weak part of the system and it needed to be replaced.
2. The next step up from the W6600X, the W6800X, is substantially more expensive compared to the W6600X, and the 40% increase in performance wasn't worth the 400% increase in price, in my opinion.
3. I had tried a Sonnet 6800XT first, but returned it because of noise and thermals. Apple's MPX modules are passively cooled, whereas almost all PC graphics cards have three loud fans on them. On top of that, the W6600X is only somewhat more power hungry than the 580X that I replaced it with. Noise reduction is important to me, so not having any fans on the GPU, along with substantially reduced power requirements, also reduces the need for the Mac Pro to ramp up case fans to compensate. So, for my individual needs, the W6600X was the perfect upgrade.

I would have considered the RDNA2 refresh, but Apple has yet to provide support, despite being a relatively minor driver update. I think this gives some indication about Apple's future plans for RDNA3, or more specifically, apparent lack of plans to support AMD's 7000-series GPUs. Even if Apple does support RDNA3 with the 2019 Mac Pro, the less power hungry, more affordable version, codenamed "Navi 33", isn't rumored to be released until sometime next year, so I'd be waiting well past the initial release of RDNA3 for a similar option in that segment.

Obviously, I don't know what's going to happen in the future, but the W6600X was the last MPX GPU module announced by Apple, ironically released on March 8th of this year, the same day that they announced the Mac Studio; an event where the fruit company proclaimed the Mac Studio CPU was "up to 60% faster than the 28-core Mac Pro" and the GPU was "up to 80% faster than the fastest graphics card available for the Mac Pro", yet they quietly introduced a new GPU option for the 7,1. Unsurprisingly, the W6600X was confined to a press release, otherwise it would be a very awkward presentation.

At the time it was released, people were asking who the W6600X was intended for, but some users definitely have use for them, because I'm the exact type of customer that wants one. I think it's the perfect compromise between price, performance, and thermals/noise.
But I spent AUD$15K buying it brand new - as I needed it in a hurry to replace a failed older Mac Pro.
I spent two years searching for a good deal on a Mac Pro, so I had time to look for one. I was very close to giving up, since my old Mac was aging out. For reference, I went from this:

2018 Mac mini
Core i3 CPU
4-cores, no Hyper-Threading
8GB RAM
128GB SSD
BlackMagic RX 580 eGPU

To my previously mentioned specs: 16-core Xeon, 96GB RAM, 2TB SSD, and W6600X GPU. To say that this was an upgrade is an understatement. The substantial performance difference has been difficult for me to fully comprehend.

I had almost given up on getting a 2019 Mac Pro, and had planned on moving next year to an Apple Silicon Mac mini with a theoretical M3 Pro, and supplement that by building a side PC for x86 Windows compatibility. It is difficult to stress how much this Mac Pro has saved me, not just financially, but in duplication, as well.
The OP's machine spec looks great, but the GPUs are older. Still though, that's a monster of a machine. We don't know what the next Mac Pro will be like so for now that's a nice machine.
I agree. For me personally, US$2,800 for my 7,1 build was a "no brainer", because I want the additional functionality of an x86 Xeon. For US$10,000 that's a more difficult call, particularly since the OP didn't indicate how important x86 compatibility is to them, as well as taking into account how soon the Apple Silicon Mac Pro is likely to be announced.
 
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avro707

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2018 Mac mini
Core i3 CPU
4-cores, no Hyper-Threading
8GB RAM
128GB SSD
BlackMagic RX 580 eGPU

To my previously mentioned specs: 16-core Xeon, 96GB RAM, 2TB SSD, and W6600X GPU. To say that this was an upgrade is an understatement. The substantial performance difference has been difficult for me to fully comprehend.
Well yes, you’ve got from an Aston Martin Cygnet almost to a Valkyrie to use car terms! :)

My only future upgrade is a second W6800X.

These machines do save from having a second PC. I don’t have room for a PC anyway, too many expensive bicycles parked inside. ;)
 
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Kentrent

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Sep 21, 2022
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So I finally pulled the trigger yesterday. I bought it and I’m so thrill and happy even just looking at it. What a beautiful piece of engineering and solid build.

I love this computer for multiple reasons:

1. Able to run Windows
2. Expansion and upgrade capabilities
3. Powerful GPUs
4. Design and build.

I know this computer is phasing out and probably will get no support from Apple for couple more years, but I’m not regret buying.

However, The two GPUs in my unit is Vega II Duo and both runs really hot. From temperature app, its reads at about 145F. I placed my hands in the back and its really hot… literally could burn if you continue leaving your hands there for prolong period of time. Is this normal guys?? I called Apple support and they said its normal for it to be that hot. I wonder if I leave it on 24/7, I’m worry the heat could deteriorate the internal components like hard drives, memory, etc… what do you think?
 

flowrider

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^^^^Glad you Finally got it👍 As far as the GPU is concerned, there are posts that seem to indicate it runs hot. I'm running a Gigabyte RX6800XT (with 3 fan active cooling) in my NcMP. Currently the reported temp is 153° F. I can touch behind the GPU and it feels warm, but that's it.

Lou
 
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Kentrent

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^^^^Glad you Finally got it👍 As far as the GPU is concerned, there are posts that seem to indicate it runs hot. I'm running a Gigabyte RX6800XT (with 3 fan active cooling) in my NcMP. Currently the reported temp is 153° F. I can touch behind the GPU and it feels warm, but that that's it.

Lou
Mine said 145F and its hot to the touch. Is that normal?
 

maikerukun

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Figured I would chime in. Haven't had time to be on the boards, been working on a film for a while, but got time logged in and saw this thread...

I already have one, and I would STILL buy that one at $10k. These are fantastic machines and I could always use another one in my studio...that said: I DO 3D ANIMATION. And so I present this question to you: What do you do 90% of the time?

I also have a Mac Studio and an M1 Max MacBook Pro and I do ALL my editing on those two systems...I won't touch footage on my Mac Pro because it's so much slower than cutting my footage on my Mac Studio and on my M1 Max MacBook Pro.

However, I won't touch those systems with a 10 foot pole for my 3D animation work because the 2019 Mac Pro in MY configuration ( same as yours damn near, except 2 w6800x Duos) is as fast as a PC workstation with 3 RTX 3090's in Cinema 4D, which is where I spend a huge portion of my client time.

So it really depends on what you plan on doing with it. If you will 90% be EDITING 4k - 8k FOOTAGE...get a Maxed out Mac Studio and a Maxed M1 Max MacBook Pro for the same price...if you're doing 3D animation, pick up the 2019 Mac Pro and swap the GPU's with w6800x Duo's later when you have an extra $10k to throw at them.
 

Kimmo

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Jul 30, 2011
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Figured I would chime in. Haven't had time to be on the boards, been working on a film for a while, but got time logged in and saw this thread...

I already have one, and I would STILL buy that one at $10k. These are fantastic machines and I could always use another one in my studio...that said: I DO 3D ANIMATION. And so I present this question to you: What do you do 90% of the time?

I also have a Mac Studio and an M1 Max MacBook Pro and I do ALL my editing on those two systems...I won't touch footage on my Mac Pro because it's so much slower than cutting my footage on my Mac Studio and on my M1 Max MacBook Pro.

However, I won't touch those systems with a 10 foot pole for my 3D animation work because the 2019 Mac Pro in MY configuration ( same as yours damn near, except 2 w6800x Duos) is as fast as a PC workstation with 3 RTX 3090's in Cinema 4D, which is where I spend a huge portion of my client time.

So it really depends on what you plan on doing with it. If you will 90% be EDITING 4k - 8k FOOTAGE...get a Maxed out Mac Studio and a Maxed M1 Max MacBook Pro for the same price...if you're doing 3D animation, pick up the 2019 Mac Pro and swap the GPU's with w6800x Duo's later when you have an extra $10k to throw at them.
You'd be the perfect guy to beta test the new ASi Mac Pro for Apple.

Are you sure that isn't the reason you haven't been here much lately?

Please say, yes. :D
 
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Apple Knowledge Navigator

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If you need those specs, then that is a steal! Heck I’d buy I had the cash.

Intel or not, it will provide a lot of horse power for years to come.
 

maikerukun

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You'd be the perfect guy to beta test the new ASi Mac Pro for Apple.

Are you sure that isn't the reason you haven't been here much lately?

Please say, yes. :D
Come on it's not like we just hang out in these threads and secretly collect data and intel about what is or isn't working on these machines and then report back to Apple what we found let alone how these machines operate in real world usage so as to know if the machine is ready or not to go public...I mean that would be cool though lol :p
 

Kimmo

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Jul 30, 2011
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Come on it's not like we just hang out in these threads and secretly collect data and intel about what is or isn't working on these machines and then report back to Apple what we found let alone how these machines operate in real world usage so as to know if the machine is ready or not to go public...I mean that would be cool though lol :p
I'll take that as a confirmation that you have the 8,1 in hand and that it's everything we could hope for. ;)
 
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