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Fancuku

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Life is too short to be worrying about something like what a company does. You are pleased with the products, so just keep using them and enjoying them without worrying about anything else. Apple does not give two hoots about you or me or anyone else. They are in the business to sell as many products as they can.
It is not religion or life or death. Apple provides tools that make our lives easier and we pay handsomely for theose tools. That's where it ends.
 

aristobrat

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Stuff like this is popping up on Twitter about every 10 minutes since yesterday: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/734528311460790272

Smart people who are fans of the company are predicting hard times. My reaction is and will continue to be, "Hope for the best, expect the worst."
Great, so you've got Benedict's comments on AI (related to Google's IO keynote).

Marco's commented on it, too:
Today, Apple’s being led properly day-to-day and doing very well overall. But if the landscape shifts to prioritize those big-data AI services, Apple will find itself in a similar position as BlackBerry did almost a decade ago: what they’re able to do, despite being very good at it, won’t be enough anymore, and they won’t be able to catch up.
https://marco.org/2016/05/21/avoiding-blackberrys-fate

Intersting to read his overall thought on how Apple is doing -- "being lead properly day-to-day and doing very well overall". Based on what you were saying earlier, I was surprised to read that. Just because he doesn't cheer literal everything they do (or don't do), doesn't sound like he's anywhere near abandoning the platform.

So what does this whole AI thing mean? If Google dominates here (like they are doing with Google Maps), is everyone going to switch to up-and-switch to Android, or are they going to use an iOS version of Google AI, like how many people use the iOS version of Google Maps instead of Apple Maps?

It really sounds like you're approaching this from an emotional point-of-view instead of a pragmatic one.
 

BigMcGuire

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Really? That stuff sells, that's why it's being blasted out there. I don't let people tell me what they think for me to have an opinion on something (in relation to PHONES). I always wanted to try it out myself. I started out with Android (HTC MyTouch, Droid 1, HTC Thunderbolt, Moto X, Samsung Note 3, Nexus 6) - and instead of believing all the anti-Apple propaganda, I tried Apple out for myself: iPhone 4s, iPhone 5, iPhone 6+, and currently, iPhone 6s+.

I'm a .net programmer by trade and I've done IT for 15+ years for Windows. What do I have now? Macbook Air and I use a Mini for my main machine. Why? The Apple ecosystem is amazing, hardware is premium, and ability to iMessage and accept calls from any device is insane.

I wasn't a normal user with Android. I rooted, I beta tested roms (donated lots of $), helped out on forums. Main reason why I rooted? Forced Adware. Took FOREVER for Verizon to get latest Android updates out to users. Terrible standby battery life. Terrible cameras.

So I've been using iPhone / Apple products for a few years now. The Nexus 6 was my latest "test" to see how Android was doing late last year. How did it go? Not too good. Fast charging was nice, but I never charge in the same place. Wireless charging is too slow. Screen is unusable outside. Laggy OS. Took the phone to a Halloween event (outdoors) the day after I got it and the phone ran out of battery in less than 6 hours - was burning hot the entire time. Found out that the Google Play services was 100% CPU and was a known issue (wiping app cache didn't fix it) - had to actually uninstall it. More than 40% of my camera shots were terrible and most of them were not good - it couldn't get the lighting right.

People I know with Note 5 complain constantly of lag, just a few days ago showed me 7 seconds for the screen to turn on when pressing the power button. They're fed up with lag, year+ before getting updates, etc... My Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 was ABANDONED by Samsung and NEVER got an Android update. I'm running cyanogenmod on it but it barely lasts a day on standby and is so laggy ... I barely use it.

My iPhone 6s? I shot 1.5GB of photos and videos yesterday and had 65% battery left after 6 hours. 95% of those photos were excellent. I can get 2-3 days of use before I have to charge my phone. I do not have forced adware on my $800+ device. It does not take me years to get the latest updates (and those updates raped by the carriers with adware/turned off features). The Verizon S7 has adware that lets Verizon INSTALL adware on it? LOL.

Don't get me started on how most of Google's apps are better on iOS vs Android.

For me? I'll take Apple. I've tried both and Apple has my business for the very long foreseeable future. It's not even close.
 
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imanidiot

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OP needs to find something else to which to emotionally attach himself than a multi-billion dollar corporation. The number of people on this site who have an absurd emotional attachment to Apple is ridiculous. Do any of them have family? Friends? A life? It's juvenile.
 

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OP needs to find something else to which to emotionally attach himself than a multi-billion dollar corporation. The number of people on this site who have an absurd emotional attachment to Apple is ridiculous. Do any of them have family? Friends? A life? It's juvenile.
As I said, it's not like it's something that's ruining my life. I am a very lucky and happy person. I have a wife and two great kids and lots of family and friends. It wouldn't destroy my entire existence if there was no more Apple. I'm just saying that I'm also a huge tech enthusiast, and that's a part of my life I care about too. In that particular compartment of my life, it would totally suck if there was no more Apple. That's what I'm worried about.
 

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I don't see how you can jump from Marco and Benedicts' comments about Apple's position with AI to "and then Apple ceased to be, and I was sad".

That really doesn't make any sort of sense (to me, anyway).
 

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I don't see how you can jump from Marco and Benedicts' comments about Apple's position with AI to "and then Apple ceased to be, and I was sad".

That really doesn't make any sort of sense (to me, anyway).
I never said Apple ceased to be. I said that I'm starting to, for the first time ever, believe all the doom and gloom and I'm becoming concerned that their days are numbered.
 

C DM

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Stuff like this is popping up on Twitter about every 10 minutes since yesterday: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/734528311460790272

Smart people who are fans of the company are predicting hard times. My reaction is and will continue to be, "Hope for the best, expect the worst."
Seems like "Apple is doomed" has been popping up quite a bit pretty much forever (from "smart" or wherever-else people of all kinds).
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I never said Apple ceased to be. I said that I'm starting to, for the first time ever, believe all the doom and gloom and I'm becoming concerned that their days are numbered.
It's interesting how just in the previous quarter, not only does the Apple do extremely well, but basically beats all historic worldwide records, and is the top valued company, and then when they still do very well, but just aren't on this crazy record-breaking progression, then suddenly it's all doom and gloom, just months apart basically.
 
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imanidiot

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As I said, it's not like it's something that's ruining my life. I am a very lucky and happy person. I have a wife and two great kids and lots of family and friends. It wouldn't destroy my entire existence if there was no more Apple. I'm just saying that I'm also a huge tech enthusiast, and that's a part of my life I care about too. In that particular compartment of my life, it would totally suck if there was no more Apple. That's what I'm worried about.
Please forgive me if I sounded harsh and mean. I'm sure I did. I'm sorry. And, let me say, what you are expressing does not sound alien to me. I have similar thoughts. I have only been "in the fold" for six years, not as long as many here. But I, like others, had my "Paul on the road to Damascus" epiphany in August of 2010. I had an HP laptop which was a nice little machine, and adequate to my needs (then) which was beginning to act-up (as every Windows PC I have ever owned, and there have been several, at about that point in their life-spans). So I was going to shop for a new computer, Windows of course, because it was all that I knew. A Sunday afternoon and I went to my local Best Buy, just to look around. And as you probably know, Apple had a presence in Best Buy Stores, the little "store within a store" Apple area. And I saw the most beautiful monitor. I had a Dell flat-screen which I used with my HP laptop, but nothing like this. I could not get over how beautiful it was. And I looked around and over and behind and finally read the product info, and saw that it was an iMac. It was not a monitor, it was the whole bloody computer. I couldn't believe it. The next weekend, I went to my local Apple Store and looked at iMac, spoke with an Apple person, asked him if he thought that it was too late in life for me to wean myself off of Windows (I was 59) and he assured me that I was not. So I went home, thought about it overnight, and came back the next day and bought a mid-2010 21.5 iMac. And I can honestly say, it changed my life. The learning curve was not as steep as I had feared, and the more I learned the more enthusiastic I became. I started to dare to try things I would never have considered otherwise (downloaded camcorder tapes onto the Mac, and learned how to use iMovie to create my own little productions, complete with music and customized titles. I was converted. And remain so. And then three months later, in October, Steve died. And I, like many around the world, felt it personally. I mean, I didn't know John Lennon either, but I will never forget where I was in Dec. 1980 (actually parking the car in Santa Monica, Ca., to do some Xmas shopping), when the news broke over the radio. It hit me personally, despite the fact that I did not know this person, but admired him greatly, and it felt, as pathetic as it might sound, as though I had lost a loved-one. This is what art can do, because art has an almost indefinable capacity to communicate, personally, with others. And, yes, I feel that Steve was an artist, albeit of a different sort. I know that he did not design or build, but made possible a technology which has profoundly influenced my life, and for which I am grateful. And I do not wish Tim Cook or the current itineration of Apple ill, far from it. But things have changed, I know. Maybe they had to. Maybe they would have (certainly they would have) if Steve had lived. But I, like many, cling to the perhaps stupid idea that it would be different, and (arguably) better, if he had. And therefore I stand guilty of what I was criticizing you for, but I hope the fact that I am acknowledging it will to some degree absolve me of being a jerk.
 
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Please forgive me if I sounded harsh and mean. I'm sure I did. I'm sorry. And, let me say, what you are expressing does not sound alien to me. I have similar thoughts. I have only been "in the fold" for six years, not as long as many here. But I, like others, had my "Paul on the road to Damascus" epiphany in August of 2010. I had an HP laptop which was a nice little machine, and adequate to my needs (then) which was beginning to act-up (as every Windows PC I have ever owned, and there have been several, at about that point in their life-spans). So I was going to shop for a new computer, Windows of course, because it was all that I knew. A Sunday afternoon and I went to my local Best Buy, just to look around. And as you probably know, Apple had a presence in Best Buy Stores, the little "store within a store" Apple area. And I saw the most beautiful monitor. I had a Dell flat-screen which I used with my HP laptop, but nothing like this. I could not get over how beautiful it was. And I looked around and over and behind and finally read the product info, and saw that it was an iMac. It was not a monitor, it was the whole bloody computer. I couldn't believe it. The next weekend, I went to my local Apple Store and looked at iMac, spoke with an Apple person, asked him if he thought that it was too late in life for me to wean myself off of Windows (I was 59) and he assured me that I was not. So I went home, thought about it overnight, and came back the next day and bought a mid-2010 21.5 iMac. And I can honestly say, it changed my life. The learning curve was not as steep as I had feared, and the more I learned the more enthusiastic I became. I started to dare to try things I would never have considered otherwise (downloaded camcorder tapes onto the Mac, and learned how to use iMovie to create my own little productions, complete with music and customized titles. I was converted. And remain so. And then three months later, in October, Steve died. And I, like many around the world, felt it personally. I mean, I didn't know John Lennon either, but I will never forget where I was in Dec. 1980 (actually parking the car in Santa Monica, Ca), to do some Xmas shopping, when the news broke over the radio. It hit me personally, despite that I did not know this person, but admired him greatly, and it felt, as pathetic as it might sound, as though I had lost a loved-one. This is what art can do, because art has an almost indefinable capacity to communicate, personally, with others. And, yes, I feel that Steve was an artist, albeit of a different sort. I know that he did not design or build, but made possible a technology which has profoundly influenced my life, and for which I am grateful. And I do not wish Tim Cook or the current itineration of Apple ill, far from it. But things have changed, I know. Maybe they had to. Maybe they would have (certainly they would have) if Steve had lived. But I, like many, cling to the perhaps stupid idea that it would be different, and (arguably) better, if he had. And therefore I stand guilty of what I was criticizing you for, but I hope the fact that I am acknowledging it will to some degree absolve me of being a jerk.
I was not offended by your comment. It was correct, to a degree.

I think if Steve Jobs were still running the company, Apple would be just as vulnerable to disruption.
 

yaxomoxay

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My wife and I both love our iPhones and iPads to death. My son loves his iPod Touch. Our Apple TVs are used daily and we love those too. My Apple Watch was one of the key factors and motivators in me finally getting to a healthy weight for my age and height, and now my wife has one of those too and is loving it.

While I am disappointed at Apple (or at least, at the outlook of what apple might release), one of the reasons why you feel that way is exactly the part of your post I have posted above.
You probably have more than you need (as I do!), and you have all that Apple could offer you at the moment.
From your signature and your post above:
:apple: Watch 42mm (at least one)
:apple: iPhone 6s
:apple: another iPhone 6s
:apple: 9.7" iPad Pro (at least one)
:apple: Apple TV4
:apple: Apple TV5
:apple: Airport Extreme
:apple: iPod Touch.

You might have also a Mac, but I don't see it listed. Do you own a mac?
You -as I am- might be a little bit "burned", meaning that there is just less desire left in you for new :apple: products.
 

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While I am disappointed at Apple (or at least, at the outlook of what apple might release), one of the reasons why you feel that way is exactly the part of your post I have posted above.
You probably have more than you need (as I do!), and you have all that Apple could offer you at the moment.
From your signature and your post above:
:apple: Watch 42mm (at least one)
:apple: iPhone 6s
:apple: another iPhone 6s
:apple: 9.7" iPad Pro (at least one)
:apple: Apple TV4
:apple: Apple TV5
:apple: Airport Extreme
:apple: iPod Touch.

You might have also a Mac, but I don't see it listed. Do you own a mac?
You -as I am- might be a little bit "burned", meaning that there is just less desire left in you for new :apple: products.
Yes, in my signature, I'm only listing the stuff I personally use, not any of my wife's gadgets or my kids' gadgets. We have a lot more than what's in my signature. I no longer have my own Mac, but am using my iPad Pro as my main machine now. My wife has a Macbook Pro that she uses daily and I can default to that if I ever need to. Basically we're an all Apple household at this point, and I realize that I'm very fortunate to be able to build that kind of setup.

It's not that I want more more more more from Apple. I am quite satisfied with their stable of products as it is today. It's that I am worried that they are not capable of seeing what's coming down the road. As many have stated over the last couple of days--if voice controlled AI is the next big platform Apple is going to be caught off balance. If they were working on AI at this point, we would know about it through changing EULAs, industry chatter, and acquisition. Having money doesn't save you from disruption if you don't have any idea what to do.

At this point, I'm just not confident that they know where the puck is going anymore.
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Seems like "Apple is doomed" has been popping up quite a bit pretty much forever (from "smart" or wherever-else people of all kinds).
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It's interesting how just in the previous quarter, not only does the Apple do extremely well, but basically beats all historic worldwide records, and is the top valued company, and then when they still do very well, but just aren't on this crazy record-breaking progression, then suddenly it's all doom and gloom, just months apart basically.
My comments have nothing to do with how well Apple is doing right this moment. It's more about that I'm worried that they don't know where tech is going.
 

C DM

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Yes, in my signature, I'm only listing the stuff I personally use, not any of my wife's gadgets or my kids' gadgets. We have a lot more than what's in my signature. I no longer have my own Mac, but am using my iPad Pro as my main machine now. My wife has a Macbook Pro that she uses daily and I can default to that if I ever need to. Basically we're an all Apple household at this point, and I realize that I'm very fortunate to be able to build that kind of setup.

It's not that I want more more more more from Apple. I am quite satisfied with their stable of products as it is today. It's that I am worried that they are not capable of seeing what's coming down the road. As many have stated over the last couple of days--if voice controlled AI is the next big platform Apple is going to be caught off balance. If they were working on AI at this point, we would know about it through changing EULAs, industry chatter, and acquisition. Having money doesn't save you from disruption if you don't have any idea what to do.

At this point, I'm just not confident that they know where the puck is going anymore.
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My comments have nothing to do with how well Apple is doing right this moment. It's more about that I'm worried that they don't know where tech is going.
Just as an example, people had similar worries when Apple was releasing the iPod (reading long threads about it here can be quite a trip), and that turned out a complete opposite of those worries.
 

yaxomoxay

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It's not that I want more more more more from Apple.

I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, I simply meant that it is difficult being wooed again after getting a lot of amazing stuff from Apple (especially coming from the Windows world), and this should be kept into consideration when we criticize Apple. Of course, I agree with you that Apple is not doing its part right now.

As many have stated over the last couple of days--if voice controlled AI is the next big platform Apple is going to be caught off balance.

Agreed. Unless they are completely redoing Siri to make it actually useful, voice controlled AI on Macs is just a feature. It won't impress anyone.

At this point, I'm just not confident that they know where the puck is going anymore.

I think that the problem lies in the fact that management ain't afraid anymore. I don't know if it's because they're filthy rich or if it is because a strong personality is missing, but I see them very lax.
Take their videos at keynotes. Piano music, white background, Ive with british accent (or anyone else), with unapologetic sentences. I mean, come on... 15 years of that gets old. Be inventive. Instead of having the white background video with Ive presenting the iPhone 7, have the Cookie Monster doing it, or something like that.
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Just as an example, people had similar worries when Apple was releasing the iPod (reading long threads about it here can be quite a trip), and that turned out a complete opposite of those worries.

Although I agree that most concerns are exaggerated, I disagree on one point. Apple has never faced the problem it's facing right now: boredom.
 

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Nothing that's going to ruin my life or anything. Just one aspect of my life that I enjoy that I fear is not going to be around much longer.

I always felt it starting to feel like those old days in the 90s before Apple Apple bought NexSTEP and Steve came back!

My feeling is OS X will start getting more and more like iOS! With many denature baked into OS X! Plus I'm starting to feel that Dashboard is dying and something like transferring iOS apps into a Dashboard style screen overlay.
 

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I always felt it starting to feel like those old days in the 90s before Apple Apple bought NexSTEP and Steve came back!

My feeling is OS X will start getting more and more like iOS! With many denature baked into OS X! Plus I'm starting to feel that Dashboard is dying and something like transferring iOS apps into a Dashboard style screen overlay.
I don't mind OS X becoming more like iOS because I use my iPad Pro most of the time.
 

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@spiderman0616

You know, I feel the exact same way and I've realized that it's not healthy. Seriously, I know exactly how you feel and I'm with you. I'm way too attached to Apple's success or failure for some reason. However, one thing that I've learned these days is that people are not satisfied anywhere. We've stopped being excited about the technology that companies do give us and have started incessantly moaning about what they don't give us. I think it's because things are much more mature than they used to be and it's hard to push blockbusters all of the time these days. However, to put things in perspective, your sentiments are felt on both sides of the fence. I frequent a Microsoft focused site in order to keep up on their happenings, and if you read the comments there you'd be convinced that Microsoft was on the brink of complete and utter annihilation and that all of its products are buggy, badly designed, and on the brink of irrelevancy. I'm not sure about Google, admittedly, because I really don't like them and don't really care what they have to offer that much.

There is no point in paying attention to what the insipid media does. This is what they do. It's their MO. They build things up (whether it be companies, people, etc.) and once they have done this they begin the process of tearing them down. It's just what happens and is cyclical, plus they don't necessarily speak for consumers. So don't pay attention to them anymore, and it might help you to get away from this forum if the negativity is getting to you. Apple can't be the darlings of journalists forever. However, just because this happens doesn't mean that Apple is suddenly going to go belly up or make all of their products just vanish. It's not 1996 again and they aren't on the cusp of bankruptcy and faced with the prospect of not existing anymore. I think what's hard to Apple fans to stomach is that Apple has built themselves up so much and become so successful, that they can only fall now. Also, a lot of Apple fans are disillusioned right now because a lot of their products seem stale, but I think things will turn around after WWDC and when they start refreshing/redesigning things.

I'm completely satisfied with their products, you are satisfied, and based on the completely crowded Apple Stores, so are others. And you know what? Apple is needed in the marketplace. They aren't going away any time soon. Without Apple, Windows and Android would have complete monopolies and there would be practically no competition at all. There are tons of people that don't like these platforms, and there always will be, so Apple is needed to present alternatives to the world. You are not going to have to switch to Android anytime soon, and no one else will have to either if they truly don't want to (even if Apple did vanish tomorrow). Frankly, I'd rather move back to a circa 2004 flip phone than use an Android based device.

Steve Jobs once said, just as Mark Twain did before him, that the rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. I think the same can be said of Apple now. Don't be so pessimistic and enjoy your Apple products.
 

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@spiderman0616

You know, I feel the exact same way and I've realized that it's not healthy. Seriously, I know exactly how you feel and I'm with you. I'm way too attached to Apple's success or failure for some reason. However, one thing that I've learned these days is that people are not satisfied anywhere. We've stopped being excited about the technology that companies do give us and have started incessantly moaning about what they don't give us. I think it's because things are much more mature than they used to be and it's hard to push blockbusters all of the time these days. However, to put things in perspective, your sentiments are felt on both sides of the fence. I frequent a Microsoft focused site in order to keep up on their happenings, and if you read the comments there you'd be convinced that Microsoft was on the brink of complete and utter annihilation and that all of its products are buggy, badly designed, and on the brink of irrelevancy. I'm not sure about Google, admittedly, because I really don't like them and don't really care what they have to offer that much.

There is no point in paying attention to what the insipid media does. This is what they do. It's their MO. They build things up (whether it be companies, people, etc.) and once they have done this they begin the process of tearing them down. It's just what happens and is cyclical, plus they don't necessarily speak for consumers. So don't pay attention to them anymore, and it might help you to get away from this forum if the negativity is getting to you. Apple can't be the darlings of journalists forever. However, just because this happens doesn't mean that Apple is suddenly going to go belly up or make all of their products just vanish. It's not 1996 again and they aren't on the cusp of bankruptcy and faced with the prospect of not existing anymore. I think what's hard to Apple fans to stomach is that Apple has built themselves up so much and become so successful, that they can only fall now. Also, a lot of Apple fans are disillusioned right now because a lot of their products seem stale, but I think things will turn around after WWDC and when they start refreshing/redesigning things.

I'm completely satisfied with their products, you are satisfied, and based on the completely crowded Apple Stores, so are others. And you know what? Apple is needed in the marketplace. They aren't going away any time soon. Without Apple, Windows and Android would have complete monopolies and there would be practically no competition at all. There are tons of people that don't like these platforms, and there always will be, so Apple is needed to present alternatives to the world. You are not going to have to switch to Android anytime soon, and no one else will have to either if they truly don't want to (even if Apple did vanish tomorrow). Frankly, I'd rather move back to a circa 2004 flip phone than use an Android based device.

Steve Jobs once said, just as Mark Twain did before him, that the rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. I think the same can be said of Apple now. Don't be so pessimistic and enjoy your Apple products.

Could have compressed this essay to one simple sentence. We got first world problems. :D
 
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Today's leak about what's coming up for Siri made me feel a bit better. At least they're doing something.
 

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It's more about that I'm worried that they don't know where tech is going.

I think they are well aware of where technology is going. I think they consciously transitioned to a different market (almost exclusively casual consumer oriented) and that is upsetting/disappointing to some people. The only professional workhorse they have in their lineup has received its last update three years ago.

As for your fears/concerns, I don't think Apple is going anywhere in the next decade or so. Even if they became less significant in the market in the future, heck, For are large portion of the company's lifespan, they were not a very signficant company. If they shrink, it might not mean it's bad. In fact, I would applaud it if they concentrated on fewer product lines and do these extremely well rather than turning into a "Jack of all trades, master of none" kind of company, the latter of which seems to be the direction they're currently heading.
 

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It's hard to put into words. It feels like most of the people in the media who are usually in their corner are turning on them. Jim Dalrymple hasn't had much good to say about them lately, Marco Arment has been extra critical, the list goes on. Their usual cheerleaders seem to be abandoning them one by one.
When has Marco not been critical? Last year on one of the ATP episodes they said they were going try and be less negative in the new year because listeners were complaining the show was too negative all the time. That didn't last very long. I don't think knows how to do anything other than whine and complain.
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Although I agree that most concerns are exaggerated, I disagree on one point. Apple has never faced the problem it's facing right now: boredom.

I'm sure we can find times during Steve Jobs 2.0 that people were bored with. I remember when Apple had an event to show off iPod socks and a special edition U2 iPod. Or the iPod HiFi event. And I'm sure some were bored when updates were flower power and Dalmatian iMacs. It's just that people have chosen to remember the Steve Jobs 2.0 years with rose colored glasses.
 
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When has Marco not been critical? Last year on one of the ATP episodes they said they were going try and be less negative in the new year because listeners were complaining the show was too negative all the time. That didn't last very long. I don't think knows how to do anything other than whine and complain.
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I'm sure we can find times during Steve Jobs 2.0 that people were bored with. I remember when Apple had an event to show off iPod socks and a special edition U2 iPod. Or the iPod HiFi event. And I'm sure some were bored when updates were flower power and Dalmatian iMacs. It's just that people have chosen to remember the Steve Jobs 2.0 years with rose colored glasses.
I agree with all of your comments above. It just starts really wearing on me. There are a lot of smart people out there whose opinions and writings about Apple I really respect, and some of them have really been disappointing me recently. For example, I've noticed a disturbing pattern in Ben Bajarin's analysis lately: Every new flavor of the month item that gets announced or launched is "the future of computing". New VR headset gets launched? Future of computing. Bots? Sure, why not. Future of computing. Amazon Echo? Future of computing. A few short months ago, he was hot and heavy on the iPad Pro, because that was the latest thing to be announced. I used to really enjoy his analysis, but it's become incredibly fickle. Everything that gets thrown against the wall is his favorite.

Marco's stupid blog post has now, as I suspected, morphed into others echoing his opinions and saying that once Amazon Echo takes over, Apple is done. So a box that is required to sit at your house is going to replace everything else we use. We'll go back to the days where if you miss a call or need to contact someone, you need to go back home to your land line telephone and answering machine to get caught up. This is just idiocy, and it's all done for clicks.

I'm tired of it. I don't enjoy tech or reading about tech anymore, because everyone has become Chicken Little. And even if they don't even believe what they're writing and are just doing it for the ad impressions, that doesn't make it any less annoying or unbearable.
 
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Why put any stock in what tech bloggers write to begin with? They might influence a segment of the population, but it will be infinitesimally small. Whether Apple succeeds or fails will ultimately depend on the quality of their products and services (or lack thereof).

I don't have any attachment to Apple as a company, but I've been a loyal customer because they manufacturer rock solid notebook computers. I didn't buy one because it had rave reviews; I bought one because it made my life easier.

And that's precisely why I find myself disappointed and disillusioned with Apple; they seem to be losing focus on the importance of designing great products that make life easier for their customers. IMO, Tim Cook is more concerned with satisfying shareholders (and keeping his job) than designing products that are truly great. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I just think he lacks the vision that made Apple what it is today.

Steve Jobs was successful precisely because he was a tech nerd with a good beat on what customers value (not necessarily what they want). He knew that if you build it right the first time, the rest is likely to fall in place. Apple seems to be operating the opposite way now -- let's identify a new market, and then develop a product for it (Apple Watch, iPhone 5c, iPhone SE, etc.). Apple has become numbers driven, and not product driven. I suspect that will be their ultimate downfall.

Apple is too big to fail, but it's not too big to fall into mediocrity.
 
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