New Apple 5k display - should I be excited?

[PatriotInvasion]

The current Mac Pro has six TB2 ports so it can drive three 5K displays if your willing to dedicate all six ports.

This assumes a 5K Apple Display would even have Thunderbolt 2 inputs...or that there would be some kind of dual-Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C adapter. All big assumptions at this point, not to mention the graphics impact that would have on the machine.

The cleanest external 5K implementation would be a Thunderbolt 3 spec that support DisplayPort 1.3 instead of the current 1.2 standard. Problem is Intel has no plans to support DisplayPort 1.3 until Cannonlake at the earliest so we're still a year or so out from 5K being a resolution that can be pushed comfortably without some kind of Frankensteinian solution either through MST (multi-stream transport) or some kind of eGPU setup.

 

[chfilm]

The current Mac Pro has six TB2 ports so it can drive three 5K displays if your willing to dedicate all six ports.

If they give us the option with dual cable. I could give up 4 ports, the remaining two would be enough for my raids.
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This assumes a 5K Apple Display would even have Thunderbolt 2 inputs...or that there would be some kind of dual-Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C adapter. All big assumptions at this point, not to mention the graphics impact that would have on the machine.

The cleanest external 5K implementation would be a Thunderbolt 3 spec that support DisplayPort 1.3 instead of the current 1.2 standard. Problem is Intel has no plans to support DisplayPort 1.3 until Cannonlake at the earliest so we're still a year or so out from 5K being a a resolution that can be pushed comfortably without some kind of Frankensteinian solution either through MST (multi-stream transport) or some kind of eGPU setup.

Haha Frankenstein solution

 

[JTToft]

The cleanest external 5K implementation would be a Thunderbolt 3 spec that support DisplayPort 1.3 instead of the current 1.2 standard. Problem is Intel has no plans to support DisplayPort 1.3 until Cannonlake at the earliest so we're still a year or so out from 5K being a resolution that can be pushed comfortably without some kind of Frankensteinian solution either through MST (multi-stream transport) or some kind of eGPU setup.

- Although it would still be a sort of MST solution, Thunderbolt 3 is able to support one 5K display at 60 Hz over one cable. Should be pretty clean.

 

[PatriotInvasion]

- Although it would still be a sort of MST solution, Thunderbolt 3 is able to support one 5K display at 60 Hz over one cable. Should be pretty clean.

No I was saying Thunderbolt 3 with DisplayPort 1.3 (which exists nowhere yet). That would be able to do 5K over a single cable using SST instead of MST.

 

[JTToft]

No I was saying Thunderbolt 3 with DisplayPort 1.3 (which exists nowhere yet). That would be able to do 5K over a single cable using SST instead of MST.

- Yes, I know. I was just saying that the current way with Thunderbolt 3 and two DisplayPort 1.2 streams over a single cable is also fairly clean. Not as clean, but pretty good.

 

[user74246]

- Yes, I know. I was just saying that the current way with Thunderbolt 3 and two DisplayPort 1.2 streams over a single cable is also fairly clean. Not as clean, but pretty good.

Good enough for me, but considering Apple probably don't want to update the display for > 3 years they might want to wait for DisplayPort 1.3.

Does anyone know if it is possible to connect a Thunderbolt 3 only display to an ATV 4? I would love to use my Apple Display as a small TV when not plugged into my Mac.

 

[JTToft]

Does anyone know if it is possible to connect a Thunderbolt 3 only display to an ATV 4? I would love to use my Apple Display as a small TV when not plugged into my Mac.

- Since the Apple TV doesn't have Thunderbolt 3, it isn't.

 

[CWallace]

So looks like with the new 4K and 5K LG displays the rumor about a new Apple Cinema Display - much less one with a built-in GPU - are either debunked or it's going to be designed not just for new TB3 Macs, but also older TB2 macs (so I am guessing a "hydra-head" cable end with one USB-C/TB3 connector and two Mini-DisplayPort/TB2 connectors).

 

[ctyrider]

So looks like with the new 4K and 5K LG displays the rumor about a new Apple Cinema Display - much less one with a built-in GPU - are either debunked or it's going to be designed not just for new TB3 Macs, but also older TB2 macs (so I am guessing a "hydra-head" cable end with one USB-C/TB3 connector and two Mini-DisplayPort/TB2 connectors).

New Apple Display isn't happening. Clearly, Apple decided to exit the display market, and partner with 3rd-party makers instead.

The upcoming 5K LG looks pretty decent and also reasonably priced - I will likely be getting one.

 

[Lichqueen]

For nMP it seems that can use 2 cable to drive this 5k display.

 

[JTToft]

For nMP it seems that can use 2 cable to drive this 5k display.

- How? Have you found a dual Thunderbolt 2 to single Thunderbolt 3 adaptor?

 

[Lichqueen]

- How? Have you found a dual Thunderbolt 2 to single Thunderbolt 3 adaptor?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10798/lg-introduces-new-4k-and-5k-ultrafine-monitors
"In the case of the 4K model it can be driven using a single DisplayPort 1.2 stream over a normal USB-C port. The 5K monitor requires two DisplayPort 1.2 streams and so it is a tiled display."

 

[JTToft]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10798/lg-introduces-new-4k-and-5k-ultrafine-monitors
"In the case of the 4K model it can be driven using a single DisplayPort 1.2 stream over a normal USB-C port. The 5K monitor requires two DisplayPort 1.2 streams and so it is a tiled display."

- Doesn't say it can be used by anything else than Thunderbolt 3 machines. Apple's website also mentions a Thunderbolt 3 machine as a requirement.

At the very least, since it has only one signal input in the form of a Thunderbolt 3 port, you would need some way to turn two cables into one in order to connect to non-TB 3 machines.

(Streams ≠ cables.)

 

[the8thark]

Based on the fact that Apple said they worked with LG on their new monitors to develop them (in the keynote), I think Apple displays are RIP.

 

[Fishrrman]

"Based on the fact that Apple said they worked with LG on their new monitors to develop them (in the keynote), I think Apple displays are RIP."

I called this two years ago.
But some folks "just had to keep believin'".

Having said that, I also predicted a few days ago that if Apple had released a 5k display, it would sell for around $1,500.
The LG 5k display sells for $1,300 -- not that far from my predicted price point.

How many folks are willing to pony up that much, in addition to the already-overpriced MacBook Pro's …??

 

[Floris]

"Based on the fact that Apple said they worked with LG on their new monitors to develop them (in the keynote), I think Apple displays are RIP."

I called this two years ago.
But some folks "just had to keep believin'".

Having said that, I also predicted a few days ago that if Apple had released a 5k display, it would sell for around $1,500.
The LG 5k display sells for $1,300 -- not that far from my predicted price point.

How many folks are willing to pony up that much, in addition to the already-overpriced MacBook Pro's …??

Predicted huh, psychic or something? Or just looking for validation that you made an assumption that seemed logical to you?

 

[CWallace]

New Apple Display isn't happening. Clearly, Apple decided to exit the display market, and partner with 3rd-party makers instead.

Yup - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-says-its-out-of-the-standalone-display-business.2010326/