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Some people just don't know when to stop. Hoping the guy gets fired for giving you information? What a jerk.
Personally, I appreciate the sharing of the information. I think it's cool how Apple is able to release their products, but we all know that this is coming and the information Apple and AT&T is withholding actually hurts the consumers ability to make an informed decision. Do I expect to buy iPhone on Friday? Yeah, but why not tell me how much it's going to cost to own it? What's wrong with that? Either it's lower then thought and they aren't telling us so it'll be this grand surprise and interest will peak even higher, or the rate plans are much more expensive and they don't want to kill their launch mojo.
Deceiving the public is wrong and I really think that by not telling us the rate plans they're expecting us to go in their like lambs, fork over the dough for an iPhone, sign a two year contract and spend over $100 a month, with a $175 termination fee before we walk out of the store, drunk with the euphoria of owning the thing. Will I still do it? Yeah, it's a ground breaking piece of technology, but if they came out with insane rate packages before hand I knew what I was getting into, I'd say screw 'em. I hope it's not like that, but it's the free flow of information that gives the consumer a fair playing field.
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Dude, thanks for sharing this stuff. I read into this being a strong effort by AT&T and Apple to get the iphone launched well. The previous person pointing out that they must be planning on good numbers of phones at each store sounds like good logic.
Also, watch the republican thing. I'd say Apple has been growing hard for the past 7 years (past few especially), so those who don't like that Rush Limbaugh is a major Apple fanatic (and so many of my conservative friends) better get used to a bigger tent.
Dude, thanks for sharing this stuff. I read into this being a strong effort by AT&T and Apple to get the iphone launched well. The previous person pointing out that they must be planning on good numbers of phones at each store sounds like good logic.
Also, watch the republican thing. I'd say Apple has been growing hard for the past 7 years (past few especially), so those who don't like that Rush Limbaugh is a major Apple fanatic (and so many of my conservative friends) better get used to a bigger tent.
<-- Conservative
Believe it or not, my inspirations for switching from a PC to a Mac were Rush Limbaugh and Trent Reznor (NIN's last two albums were done almost entirely on Powerbooks, MacBook Pro's, G5's and Mac Pros). Talk about two names never seen in the same sentence before. Now I'm a devout Mac user, what can I say? I love the things.
...lol... funny how this has become a political debate now. Seriously though.. your article is from jan. '05. (read: OUTDATED) mine is from last month. ANNND since you brought Rush Limbaugh into this argument, even he goes on tirades saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger is REALLY a republican!! Here's an article from 13 hours ago (recent news...not two years old)
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/18025
...and yes of course there are republication Mac fans out there.... but the liberals are clearly hold it down!!
Ha wow, deceiving us are they? I fail to see how. Let me clarify myself since this thread has gone semi-political. I'm a libertarian, so I think the idea of a corporation is bad to begin with. Government protection from personal liability. But here's the thing. They hired this person, expecting him to be part of their company and not to share information they are not supposed to, especially ones that have disclaimers at the bottom saying so. I love rumors, and inside information, but if it is obtained by employees and shared without permission I think it is wrong. If this same document was "obtained" by say the girl who got the iPhone manual from AT&T I would be all for it, cheering the person for sticking it to the man. In this case, I think it was wrong. Either way, we got the info, and as he said, he didn't use any real information, so he won't be getting fired.
*rolls eyes*
You must be joking. Democrats can hardly hold down their lunch nowadays, forget an entire product line. There's a reason Jobs keeps politics out of it, he doesn't want to alienate any of his base. That's odd because most libs just don't care. Apple wouldn't be what it is if it weren't for it's conservative OR liberal buyers. Personally, politics is the last thing I think about when going into a Mac Store or turning on my PB.
For the record, another big Mac user is the up and coming conservative talk host Glenn Beck.
You must be joking. Democrats can hardly hold down their lunch nowadays, forget an entire product line. There's a reason Jobs keeps politics out of it, he doesn't want to alienate any of his base. That's odd because most libs just don't care. Apple wouldn't be what it is if it weren't for it's conservative OR liberal buyers. Personally, politics is the last thing I think about when going into a Mac Store or turning on my PB.
For the record, another big Mac user is the up and coming conservative talk host Glenn Beck.
After the phone, what's the biggest part of a cell phone? How much it costs to be able to actually use it. Tell me, why is it so important that we don't know that? In comparison to other major tech releases lately, (Xbox 360 and PS3) we knew how much it was going to cost, what was coming it, what it'd cost to run the online service and what games were and weren't being developed for it. We knew what it was, what it was doing and where it was going. For some reason these guys think it's important for us not to know until we might actually be at the counter buying the thing. I'm sure they'll release it before then, but it's a real possibility that when you're not telling somebody how much it'll cost to use that touch screen to make a call or send a text message, it's because that alone will disrupt the hype just for the hardware. I don't think that's fair. Maybe they're just doing it to create more hype and this is all for not, but I think you should be allowed to see everything in front of you when it comes to buying anything, especially something as expensive as the iPhone.
While it may not be fair, cool, nice, or friendly with not sharing the entirety of costs for iPhone and related data and services, they aren't really deceiving anyone. Deceiving implies they are lying or misleading when in actually we have no information, hence we are not being deceived. I'd love to know how much the data plan costs. Still, not being deceived by the ol' AT&T.
no discount for employees?
i find it to be pretty cold of them to offer no discount on either the phone or the plan for any employees. savages.
i find it to be pretty cold of them to offer no discount on either the phone or the plan for any employees. savages.
Part of the reason they have never offered discounts on iPods in the past is because they kind of use price fixing in order to ensure they will still be competitive in their sales at Apple Stores. I know this first hand experience, working at Best Buy, we never got discounts on iPods. It seems to be one of those things Apple does, but companies like Bose are known too for not usually allowing employee discounts or even customer discounts. That's not to say Apple employees don't get discounts. I think they do, at least on iPods and what not. My question is whether or not Apple employees get discounts on iPhone, I know when I was at the genius bar the other day, one of the geniuses gloated as I was talking to another genius saying, "I'll be getting an iPhone before everyone else" So in the end, the moral of the story is Apple can be tough as nails, but they are a company that is out to make profits.
Political stuff aside, I think if anything, leaking a little bit of info like that is good for everyone. 
We don't necessarily get much insider info except, "ooh, they're going to have extra staff there! (duh.)" Just some coal for the hype fire imo! Yes they said not to and he/she released it anyway, but at least he wasn't doing something serious like ... stealing iPhones, or blueprints for the flux capacitor inside it or anything like that.
We don't necessarily get much insider info except, "ooh, they're going to have extra staff there! (duh.)" Just some coal for the hype fire imo! Yes they said not to and he/she released it anyway, but at least he wasn't doing something serious like ... stealing iPhones, or blueprints for the flux capacitor inside it or anything like that.
ok I don't use flicker so you can see why I thought it was odd. Now how about addressing the other point I made about the capitalization being so strange at the bottom. I have never seen a corporate memo, even a generic flyer like this one use such odd punctuation. If it's real than that is really sad on AT&T's part.
I hope that you successfully masked your IP when posting to Flickr, which is owned by Yahoo, which has partnered with Apple on the iPhone and AT&T in a number of business ventures. Apple/AT&T could also compel MacRumors to disclose the IP address that you're using to post.
Seriously, leaking internal info and violating NDAs just to be 'cool' on an anonymous online forum isn't worth risking the financial and legal consequences that you're flirting with, just to get some info out in the public arena 2-5 days early.
yeah mustang.... thought about that too.... well aware of the flickr/yahoo/SBC/at&t clusterbang.... that's why i only post from my neighborhood unsecured wifi connection... i'm a good hacker. I'm sure there are better ones out there, but I'm dang good!!