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Mariogolf

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
 

chrfr

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
You can be confident Apple won't accidentally make the base iPad charge with USB-C and only be compatible with the original pencil.
The original pencil was introduced in late 2015 and hasn't been updated since. It's time to replace it with something new.
 

Mariogolf

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I’m not so sure. Notice that you can find usb-c cable in the box with your iPhone which is not compatible with older bricks. You need a new one.
 

sracer

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
Apple is not going to use the current chassis of the 9th gen iPad for a hypothetical USB-C 10th gen iPad. If the 10th gen iPad uses the same chassis, then it will continue to use the Lightning port. If they go USB-C for the base iPad, then they are more likely to switch to the Air chassis.

In any event, it is a bit odd and premature to start worrying about something that hasn't happened.
 

sparksd

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.

Really doubtful at best. Not going to happen.
 

ian87w

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
The 1st gen Apple Pencil comes with a lightning female adapter (both ends are females) so you can charge it using a regular charger (one end goes to a lightning cable, the other end goes to the lightning part of the pencil.

But yes, I'm sure the idea is to standardize the whole iPad lineup using Pencil 2.
 

darngooddesign

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Jul 4, 2007
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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
Should work with a Lighting to USB-C adapter.

Or just use the adapter the pencil comes with.
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Abazigal

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What are the odds of the base iPad adopting the new iPad Air / pro form factor? I do wonder how Apple will differentiate between the two, beyond choice of processor?
 

ian87w

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What are the odds of the base iPad adopting the new iPad Air / pro form factor? I do wonder how Apple will differentiate between the two, beyond choice of processor?
Probably smaller inferior screen (larger bezel). And we already know stage manager is a differentiation also (via software).

The weird part is for Apple to not include LED flash on the air, while the mini has it. That could've been a good differentiator as flash is quite useful in scanning documents.
 
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Digitalguy

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Probably smaller inferior screen (larger bezel). And we already know stage manager is a differentiation also (via software).

The weird part is for Apple to not include LED flash on the air, while the mini has it. That could've been a good differentiator as flash is quite useful in scanning documents.
I don't think they can use the air design and increase the bezels to make it 10.5 (as rumored). What people are not even considering is the fact that they could keep the home button but make the edges flat for pencil 2. Alternatively, they could make a USB C pencil
 
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ian87w

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I don't think they can use the air design and increase the bezels to make it 10.5 (as rumored). What people are not even considering is the fact that they could keep the home button but make the edges flat for pencil 2. Alternatively, they could make a USB C pencil
I don't think Apple would want to reengineer the Pencil just for the entry level model. It's probably more cost effective and profitable for Apple to just use the existing Pencil 2.
 

Digitalguy

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I don't think Apple would want to reengineer the Pencil just for the entry level model. It's probably more cost effective and profitable for Apple to just use the existing Pencil 2.
I don't think so. Redesigning the body of the iPad for flat edges is much more costly than just replacing lightning with USB C. Unless they simply replace it with the body of the air, which I am skeptical, since the air is already a 11pro with larger bezels and making the bezels so big that it gets to 10.5 will look much worse than even the current base iPad.
 

ssmed

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Base iPad works with 1st gen Apple Pencil. You know that it can be charged only by iPad’s lightning port right? You won’t charge it with new iPad with usb-c, unless pencil gen 2 will be supported.
You can get a small converter and just plug it into a USB charger, so the pencil can be charged independently from the iPad. It'll be fine. I bought one on Amazon.
 
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ian87w

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I don't think so. Redesigning the body of the iPad for flat edges is much more costly than just replacing lightning with USB C. Unless they simply replace it with the body of the air, which I am skeptical, since the air is already a 11pro with larger bezels and making the bezels so big that it gets to 10.5 will look much worse than even the current base iPad.
It could be intentional and Apple can keep the home button? 😂 Ah well, I guess we’ll find out in September, maybe.
 

rui no onna

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What are the odds of the base iPad adopting the new iPad Air / pro form factor? I do wonder how Apple will differentiate between the two, beyond choice of processor?

They can still keep the home button even if they square off the edges. Like a gigantic iPhone 5/5s/SE1.
 
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darngooddesign

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What are the odds of the base iPad adopting the new iPad Air / pro form factor? I do wonder how Apple will differentiate between the two, beyond choice of processor?
That's the thing. Beyond a smaller screen and A# processor, what could Apple remove from the iPad Air that would reduce its price by the current ~$250 difference on the WiFi version. And how could a larger iPad mini be less expensive.
 

rui no onna

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That's the thing. Beyond a smaller screen and A# processor, what could Apple remove from the iPad Air that would reduce its price by the current ~$250 difference on the WiFi version. And how could a larger iPad mini be less expensive.

Dropping the laminated display is the biggie savings. I expect the home button is cheaper than the sapphire crystal TouchID power button. There’s also speakers and whatever other differences they currently have not related to the chassis, Pencil and Smart Connector.

Mind, I reckon it’s possible the regular iPad might see a $30-50 price increase.
 
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