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leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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HDMI and MagSafe definitely thicker than USB-C.

Yeah, there is no way of fitting HDMI onto the current chassis without severely compromising the structural integrity of the metal around the port. The would need to add at least several millimeters.
 

diamond.g

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TDP is mostly a marketing term, it doesn’t fully reflect the power draw of the product across all the operating modes. The times when TDP referred to maximal power draw are long long gone. One can say that turbo boost has both saved and condemned x86 - it gave the systems the ability to scale, but also completely messed up the expectations and consumer understanding of these systems.
For Intel PL1 & PL2 are the better numbers to look at. AMD doesn't really have an equivalent metric.
 

Krevnik

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Apparently I need to familiarize myself with the regulation, however, I’m pretty sure a passenger may carry multiple devices and doesn’t have to have devices separately contained. I thought the regulation had to do with electrically connected cells…

The regulation on the FAA/TSA website doesn’t give specific detail: single rechargable Lithium batteries (including ones in devices) are limited to 100Wh ratings, and must be taken onboard inside the cabin. Spare batteries are permitted (2 per person) up to 160Wh, but they must be stored with the contacts covered to prevent discharge.

TSA agents are given final authority on any call required on if an item is/isn’t permitted, and note that because of that, the regulation must remain fairly simple. Trying to get some average person to understand a regulatory loophole is probably not a great thing to try.

The risk of “asking for forgiveness” when it comes to regulations like these is that the customers pay the price when the regulatory body decides that the loophole wasn’t a good one, and forces the company to scramble when it fails. As much as I’m not a fan of the TSA security theatre, I also don’t think it’s a great idea to “find loopholes” in a regulation that’s enforced by folks with limited training.
 

altaic

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The risk of “asking for forgiveness” when it comes to regulations like these is that the customers pay the price when the regulatory body decides that the loophole wasn’t a good one, and forces the company to scramble when it fails. As much as I’m not a fan of the TSA security theatre, I also don’t think it’s a great idea to “find loopholes” in a regulation that’s enforced by folks with limited training.
Hmm, very good point. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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deconstruct60

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HDMI and MagSafe definitely thicker than USB-C. Maybe they want to make the Pro the Pro and differentiate from the consumer models. Most people would probably prefer a little thicker if the battery life was insane like 20 hrs. We can only guess at this point.


MagSafe is an entirely proprietary connection. It is as thick as Apple designs it to be. There is zero reason why Apple would need to make the new MagSafe compatible with the old 'L' and 'T' adapters. They could just make it wider and thinner if there is a z-height issue and even less 3rd parties would have alternative solutions at launch.

HDMI comes in four different connectors. Type C ('mini' ) would work at least for 4K like screens.
USB Type C 2.6mm high

HDMI Type C 2.4mm high

HDMI Type A 4.45mm high

the socket needs a bit more clearance, but not a huge problem .


If Apple flattens out the outer edges that will help (and will add a bit of weight... the rounding is minute weight trimming) .

The MBP 16" is 16.2mm high. Even if split that in half between base and lid that is 8.1mm . A 40/60 split would make the base 9.72mm.

4.45mm is only 55% of that 8.1mm measure. That is enough for an outer rim.


At least on the 16" it shouldn't be a problem if Apple just leaves the height alone.

The 14" is 15.6mm. So 50% is 7.8mm and 60% is 9.36mm.

Tighter fit for a HDMI Type A but could just do a Type C if it was a problem.
 

deconstruct60

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Current 13" Macbook Pro is already 20 hours.

I expect the 16" to go well beyond 20 hours without increasing in size. Also, the 16" already has the maximum allowed battery size to board a plane.

The M1 MBP 13" is 20. The Intel MBP 13" is about 10 hours.

There is little chance Apple can double the P cores and G cores and the SoC is going to consume equal power than the current M1 is doing. Similar issue with the mini LED screen that is bigger ( i.e. bigger area ... larger power consumption).

The objective to the "M1X" version is likely to incrementally beat or match 10 ; not 20 hours.

P.S. the mBP 16" has somewhat similar issues if quadrupled the number of G cores. Get some reduction with combining CPU + dGPU into a single SoC , but also spending more ( more, brighter backlight , etc. ). That would be a bigger increment but probably short of the M1 systems.
 

deconstruct60

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Yeah, there is no way of fitting HDMI onto the current chassis without severely compromising the structural integrity of the metal around the port. The would need to add at least several millimeters.

Funny how Apple has no problem making the lid with the screen "wafer" thin and user has to actually pull on that to lift the screen while putting zero weight on the outer edge of the laptop to insert a cable.

There already are several mm there is Apple doesn't thin out the MBP chassis even more. Incrementally better support to use the edge of the MBP as a step ladder if square off the edges if some folks want to use the edge as a lever.
 

Serban55

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So , a lot of options for the SoC config...binning Screen Shot 2021-10-18 at 20.54.53.png
 

motomotomoto

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Does anyone know if there is a difference between the single core processing speed of M1Pro vs Max? That is my key consideration!
 

Krevnik

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Does anyone know if there is a difference between the single core processing speed of M1Pro vs Max? That is my key consideration!
Shouldn't be, no. Looks like the key thing here is memory bandwidth/size, GPU size, and number of displays it can drive.
 

diamond.g

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Mar 20, 2007
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Is it just me or does the jump from M1Pro to M1Max not also include the price to jump to 32GB of RAM?
 

Joelist

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The Pros and Maxxes both sports huge increases in memory bandwidth and also are using either LPDDR5 or LPDDR5X. So that can affect things as can the new SSDs with double the speed.
 
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moosinuk

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Mar 3, 2009
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Looks like you still need a dongle for wired ethernet. Shame, I thought it might have been in the power brick.
 

jdb8167

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Nov 17, 2008
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Is it just me or does the jump from M1Pro to M1Max not also include the price to jump to 32GB of RAM?
The configuration automatically switches from 16 GB to 32 GB and adds to the total. So you go from $2499 to $3099 (+ $600) by clicking on just "Apple M1 Max with 10-core CPU, 24-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine" (+ $200).
 

leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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@leman are you satisfied until now ?

I am a bit disappointed that it’s still Firestorm/Icestorm, but the M1 Max came as a big surprise. A 512-bit RAM interface in a 2kg laptop, this is very much insane. I mean, they are not cheap, but you can’t buy a machine like that anywhere else, no matter how much money you throw at it.

The x86 land is now years behind…
 

jdb8167

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I am a bit disappointed that it’s still Firestorm/Icestorm, but the M1 Max came as a big surprise. A 512-bit RAM interface in a 2kg laptop, this is very much insane. I mean, they are not cheap, but you can’t buy a machine like that anywhere else, no matter how much money you throw at it.

The x86 land is now years behind…
How did you determine that the cores are still M1 and not Avalanche and Blizzard?
 
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