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Fernandez21

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It might be awhile till Apple manufactures a touchscreen laptop. Just read this article on BRG. http://bit.ly/1Nema9P

I see where apple is coming and I agree, touch on a traditional laptop or desktop is useless in my opinion, would much rather keep my hand on the track pad or mouse and manipulate things that way than reaching up to the screen. It only makes sense on hybrids, like the Surface Pro or Book, where you can detach the screen and use it as a tablet.

If you read carefully what apple execs said, the were talking about a traditional laptop, not a hybrid.

As Levy notes, it’s not that Apple has something against multi-touch on PCs, but rather, it strongly believes that “touch control should be a hands-down experience.”

And there's this:
Tim Cook said:
“I think anything can be forced to converge,” Cook once said during a 2012 earnings conference call, “but the problem is that products are about tradeoffs, and you begin to make tradeoffs to the point where what you have left at the end of the day doesn’t please anyone.”

Soundslike they completely left it open that they can make a hybrid where there are no tradeoffs in apples point of view. That will most likely be their story when they finally release one.
 
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TRDmanAE86

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I see where apple is coming and I agree, touch on a traditional laptop or desktop is useless in my opinion, would much rather keep my hand on the track pad or mouse and manipulate things that way than reaching up to the screen. It only makes sense on hybrids, like the Surface Pro or Book, where you can detach the screen and use it as a tablet.

You actually do have a point. As A type on my Alienware 13t's keyboard Bluetooth's point of view, It makes sense. It is easier on a tablet.

However, two setbacks are Photoshopping takes more precision (erasing background manually), and, zooming in and out of websites and documents becomes harder without the "gesture"!
 

Fernandez21

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You actually do have a point. As A type on my Alienware 13t's keyboard Bluetooth's point of view, It makes sense. It is easier on a tablet.

However, two setbacks are Photoshopping takes more precision (erasing background manually), and, zooming in and out of websites and documents becomes harder without the "gesture"!
I agree on photoshopping being easier with touch, however on a traditional laptop or desktop this means having to manipulate a vertical screen and that makes it tougher imo. It's like drawing on a wall, sure it's doable but it's much better if you can lay the paper on a table. Though if your used to painting on a canvas, you may prefer it vertical.

As for the gestures, on a mac at least, you can do the same pinch to zoom on the track pad to zoom, you can even do a 2 finger double tap to zoom in on text.
 
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TRDmanAE86

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I agree on Photoshopping being easier with touch, however on a traditional laptop or desktop this means having to manipulate a vertical screen and that makes it tougher imo. It's like drawing on a wall, sure it's doable but it's much better if you can lay the paper on a table. Though if your used to painting on a canvas, you may prefer it vertical.

As for the gestures, on a mac at least, you can do the same pinch to zoom on the track pad to zoom, you can even do a 2 finger double tap to zoom in on text.

Wow I never knew that about a Mac's trackpad! To come to think about it, I can do it too on a Windows 7 and Windows 8 Trackpad. However, usually I use a Bluetooth mouse and, when I don't have my Bluetooth keyboard (I commute with my laptop frequently), I disable the track pad!
 

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Wow I never knew that about a Mac's trackpad! To come to think about it, I can do it too on a Windows 7 and Windows 8 Trackpad. However, usually I use a Bluetooth mouse and, when I don't have my Bluetooth keyboard (I commute with my laptop frequently), I disable the track pad!
You didn't know that?
 

Fernandez21

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You didn't know that?
I use Windows on a desktop and I also didn't know they had this. The last windows laptop I used was my xps1340 with Windows 7, awesome laptop, but the track pad on my MBA blew it out of the water. Hopefully they've improved those since then, but I don't think it's unreasonable for some one not to know about that gesture if the track pad they got on their laptop was crap and they worked around that by using a mouse.
 
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Fernandez21

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Wow I never knew that about a Mac's trackpad! To come to think about it, I can do it too on a Windows 7 and Windows 8 Trackpad. However, usually I use a Bluetooth mouse and, when I don't have my Bluetooth keyboard (I commute with my laptop frequently), I disable the track pad!
Yeah, I don't think that was available when I last used windows on a laptop, though it might've been the hardware as it was a Vista machine I updated to 7.
 
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TechGod

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I use Windows on a desktop and I also didn't know they had this. The last windows laptop I used was my xps1340 with Windows 7, awesome laptop, but the track pad on my MBA blew it out of the water. Hopefully they've improved those since then, but I don't think it's unreasonable for some one not to know about that gesture if the track pad they got on their laptop was crap and they worked around that by using a mouse.
I've mostly always used laptops so I was able to pick up on the gestures pretty quickly.
 
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TRDmanAE86

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Yeah, I don't think that was available when I last used windows on a laptop, though it might've been the hardware as it was a Vista machine I updated to 7.

I had the zoom on my old 2011 Dell Inspiron 14R (N4010). It came with Windows 7 too. I think your right saying it's a hardware thing because according to the Dell Website, some of there laptops come with this feature enabled by default and, others don't (on 7 and Vista supposedly) http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/SLN153670/EN
 

spinedoc77

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I see where apple is coming and I agree, touch on a traditional laptop or desktop is useless in my opinion, would much rather keep my hand on the track pad or mouse and manipulate things that way than reaching up to the screen. It only makes sense on hybrids, like the Surface Pro or Book, where you can detach the screen and use it as a tablet.

If you read carefully what apple execs said, the were talking about a traditional laptop, not a hybrid.



And there's this:


Soundslike they completely left it open that they can make a hybrid where there are no tradeoffs in apples point of view. That will most likely be their story when they finally release one.

I highly disagree, I absolutely love having a touchscreen on a laptop. It's great to have that interaction directly with the screen versus having a layer of abstraction with a mouse or touchpad. Of course it depends what I'm doing. If I'm writing reports then it's mouse all the way, but if I'm browsing the web its touchscreen all the way. It's just so intuitive to swipe back and forward, up and down, tap on links, etc.

As an aside I never understood how anyone could use a touchpad except in emergencies, that just seems like such an inferior control than a touchscreen or mouse. Ergonomically it's terrible as well in my professional opinion.

From apples point of view it's interesting their consumers wouldn't want a feature even if only used seldomly. The lack of touchscreen was a large reason I stopped buying MacBooks. St interesting what cook says, sing the lines of that stupid comment on combining toasters and refrigerators, demonstrating a profound lack of vision.
 
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JoeG4

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Soundslike they completely left it open that they can make a hybrid where there are no tradeoffs in apples point of view. That will most likely be their story when they finally release one.

Apple can't even make a normal 13" laptop with a DGPU in it, yet Microsoft can do it with the SurfaceBook. How would they be able to make a tablet hybrid laptop? It'd probably have an Intel Galileo chip in it and a 640x480 screen :p

Or more likely, it'd run iOS X. With full screen only apps, and that stupid "springboard" launcher that makes me hate iOS so much lol.
 

762999

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I really like that XPS 15.
Looks great and it appears you can upgrade the memory and storage yourself; wish you could still do that on the MacBook Pro. :(

Edit; Out of curiosity, would anyone know if an XPS (or any other PC with Thunderbolt) would be able to work with an Apple Thunderbolt display?

yes it would work.. the tricky part is finding a TB3 (with USB-C connector) to a TB1 connector. You would need that to make it work.
 
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762999

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Thanks for the reply.
Yeah, I can't find such a connector (only did a quick search, though).

Not even Apple's macbook (with USB-C) is able to connect to an Apple Cinema Display. They will either release a cable later on, or screw everyone and release a new 5K display with USB-C connector. Either way I'm moving back to PC.
 

TRDmanAE86

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yes it would work.. the tricky part is finding a TB3 (with USB-C connector) to a TB1 connector. You would need that to make it work.

Couldn't someone solder a cable together with those connections?

I know you can take a Ethernet cable and, stick a lightning cable on the end (or a 30 pin connector? )
 

762999

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Couldn't someone solder a cable together with those connections?

I know you can take a Ethernet cable and, stick a lightning cable on the end (or a 30 pin connector? )

The FAQ for TB3 is interesting.. you could get some answers in there..

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Is Thunderbolt 3 backwards compatible with Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt 2?
Yes, solutions and products built to Thunderbolt and Thunderbolt 2 specifications will work with Thunderbolt 3 via an adapter.

Can I connect Display Port devices to a Thunderbolt 3 port?
Yes, Thunderbolt 3 ports are fully compatible with DisplayPort devices and cables.
 
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mtneer

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When do the Skylake XPS machines go on sale? I looked around Dell's product page today and didn't see a "Buy" button anywhere.
 
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TRDmanAE86

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I was able to order this XPS 13 Touch (Skylake i5-6200U)
http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?oc=dncwt5142h&model_id=xps-13-9350-laptop

The new XPS 12 is the one you have to wait till November as Dell told me.

That makes a little sense. I know for a fact Dell makes some of it's models touchscreen and, others are non-touchscreen. Even more frustrating, their Touchscreen Windows 7 Laptops are expensive (2 grand) and, can only be bought as a Latitude Rugged (I looked into this over the summer when my N4010 was on it's last leg.)
 

Altis

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That Dell XPS 15 looks great. I wish it was out when I got my Lenovo T450S earlier this year. I really prefer the 15.6" to the 14.1", but the 15 inch options weren't great when I got mine.

The 15" rMBP is way too expensive, starting at $2500, while this one starts at $1300.
 

iphonedude2008

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If I didn't have to use Xcode for my work, I would have already purchased one. They look so much better than a Macbook. I remember a few years back Windows PC's looked like garbage. Now they look like beautiful eye candy like the Mac used to be.
 
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jamezr

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If I didn't have to use Xcode for my work, I would have already purchased one. They look so much better than a Macbook. I remember a few years back Windows PC's looked like garbage. Now they look like beautiful eye candy like the Mac used to be.
I think Dell and MS are killing it on the Windows side of things. They are making my rMBP design look tired.
 
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