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tim100

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you didnt need to start a new thread.

New CPUs announced by Intel today. These could be the rumored CPUs used in the next MBA. They provide faster clock speeds than current ULV CPUs. In addition, they add a Core i3 ULV variant.

Core i7-660UM - 1.33 to 2.4 GHz
Core i5-540UM
Core 5-430UM
Core i3-330UM

The next variants come out in 4Q that offer the Core i7 at 1.46 GHz.

Anyways, these are all possible I would suppose. However, if only the Core i7 can be overclocked permanently it would be likely Apple would use this new Core i7-660UM in high-end and either the Core i7-620UM or Core i7-640UM in low-end.

I suppose anything is possible. All of the rumors have been saying this, maybe Jobs will announce this at WWDC now that more CPUs are available?

Here's a link to the Engadget Article

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/intel-officially-outs-core-i3-i5-and-i7-ulv-processors-for-thos/

At least there's hope and a real reason for Apple to have waited this long for an MBA update... sorta.

I already posted this news,
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/921208/

you found it second.
 

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I already posted this news,
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/921208/

you found it second.

Whatever. Why would you act like this? Seriously? Why didn't you make a thread then? Why on Earth do people have to be first. Like a child wanting to be proclaimed "Winner." I cannot believe you.

stefan1975
you beat him by a whole whopping 12 minutes. well congratulations for that, it must make your day

And I actually added information to it. I still cannot believe someone would act this way. Wants recognition... OMG... shaking head in disbelief. I still cannot believe it and I have waited a few minutes.


Always someone wanting to ruin the day and get so far off topic and act childish. I wouldn't be proud and bragging about your actions. It is truly sad to act that way.

Can we all please get back on topic if we're going to spend our time here... thanks.

Someone mentioned higher end ATI cards. The whole point a 7W 5430 would work is the low TDP. It is half the Nvidia low-end 310m's 14W TDP. This is why people were certain Apple would use ATI with its last MBP updates. Apparently Apple has something against ATI/AMD?

There is always the possibility of an AMD/ATI MBA that we're not discussing. The later the MBA update comes, the more possible Apple would go this route with the rumors.

Someone else mentioned the iMac. I agree Apple could use the same setup in the 21.5" iMac as it did in the 15" and 17" MBPs. It would still give Apple economies of scale in COGS and the drivers ready for OS X.
 

jdechko

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128gb or 256gb SSD options
7 Hours Battery Life (considering the relative increases from prior MBP to current)

I agree. I really think this is all we will get for this next update.
 

hashholly

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Whatever. Why would you act like this? Seriously? Why didn't you make a thread then? Why on Earth do people have to be first. Like a child wanting to be proclaimed "Winner." I cannot believe you.



And I actually added information to it. I still cannot believe someone would act this way. Wants recognition... OMG... shaking head in disbelief. I still cannot believe it and I have waited a few minutes.



Always someone wanting to ruin the day and get so far off topic and act childish. I wouldn't be proud and bragging about your actions. It is truly sad to act that way.

Can we all please get back on topic if we're going to spend our time here... thanks.

Someone mentioned higher end ATI cards. The whole point a 7W 5430 would work is the low TDP. It is half the Nvidia low-end 310m's 14W TDP. This is why people were certain Apple would use ATI with its last MBP updates. Apparently Apple has something against ATI/AMD?

There is always the possibility of an AMD/ATI MBA that we're not discussing. The later the MBA update comes, the more possible Apple would go this route with the rumors.

Someone else mentioned the iMac. I agree Apple could use the same setup in the 21.5" iMac as it did in the 15" and 17" MBPs. It would still give Apple economies of scale in COGS and the drivers ready for OS X.

I've always been interested in an AMD/ATI solution for the Macbook to knock the price down, but never really considered it past that because of the battery drain on current AMD laptops/netbooks. Now its possible if Apple has really been testing out chips with them, that together they may have come up with some power saving techniques, but how owuld this affect their Intel relationship?
 

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I agree. I really think this is all we will get for this next update.

The lower energy requirements of the Nvidia 320m could allow Apple to de-throttle the SL9x00 OR give it same performance and permit maybe an extra 15% battery performance between charges. In addition, I was thinking what about throttling the Nvidia 320m. We don't need full performance of the 320m on the MBA. Even if it were a true 20% bump over the 9400m at full clock speed it would be a great experience for the MBA.

Whoever posted the Intel GMA HD used in the Arrandale CPU w/45nm DIE is as good as the Nvidia 9400m is sure drinking some Intel kool-aid. What they're also forgetting is any report they have seen shows the Windows OS running both. Try running Windows 7 vs. OS X on a current MBA and see the performance differences. The Windows platform gives 4X the graphics experience with the 9400m over OS X. Recent reports show similar results of Windows as 3X to 4X the performance in OpenGL over OS X and Linux. The bottom line is what's true on Windows is NOT necessarily true on OS X or Linux. The graphics system is one simple way to see this in action and it's simple to see it on the MBA running OS X then Windows 7 and comparing. Flash uses 22 to 26% of the CPU that OS X uses to run the same files. Similar experiences when running HD video playback.

Has anyone run the 15" MBP solely on the Intel GMA HD and reported experience and any benchmark results? I don't know that the Intel GMA HD can be forced on the user? I would love if someone gave us a fair scientific test to show everyone exactly what SJ and Apple know and why they used C2D and Nvidia 320m over Intel Core i3 w/Intel GMA HD on the 13" MBPs.
 

tim100

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Whatever. Why would you act like this? Seriously? Why didn't you make a thread then? Why on Earth do people have to be first. Like a child wanting to be proclaimed "Winner." I cannot believe you.



And I actually added information to it. I still cannot believe someone would act this way. Wants recognition... OMG... shaking head in disbelief. I still cannot believe it and I have waited a few minutes.


Always someone wanting to ruin the day and get so far off topic and act childish. I wouldn't be proud and bragging about your actions. It is truly sad to act that way.

Can we all please get back on topic if we're going to spend our time here... thanks.

Someone mentioned higher end ATI cards. The whole point a 7W 5430 would work is the low TDP. It is half the Nvidia low-end 310m's 14W TDP. This is why people were certain Apple would use ATI with its last MBP updates. Apparently Apple has something against ATI/AMD?

There is always the possibility of an AMD/ATI MBA that we're not discussing. The later the MBA update comes, the more possible Apple would go this route with the rumors.

Someone else mentioned the iMac. I agree Apple could use the same setup in the 21.5" iMac as it did in the 15" and 17" MBPs. It would still give Apple economies of scale in COGS and the drivers ready for OS X.

Its like this, your the king of the air forum. Dont get mad I am just giving you information.
 

hashholly

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The lower energy requirements of the Nvidia 320m could allow Apple to de-throttle the SL9x00 OR give it same performance and permit maybe an extra 15% battery performance between charges. In addition, I was thinking what about throttling the Nvidia 320m. We don't need full performance of the 320m on the MBA. Even if it were a true 20% bump over the 9400m at full clock speed it would be a great experience for the MBA.

Whoever posted the Intel GMA HD used in the Arrandale CPU w/45nm DIE is as good as the Nvidia 9400m is sure drinking some Intel kool-aid. What they're also forgetting is any report they have seen shows the Windows OS running both. Try running Windows 7 vs. OS X on a current MBA and see the performance differences. The Windows platform gives 4X the graphics experience with the 9400m over OS X. Recent reports show similar results of Windows as 3X to 4X the performance in OpenGL over OS X and Linux. The bottom line is what's true on Windows is NOT necessarily true on OS X or Linux. The graphics system is one simple way to see this in action and it's simple to see it on the MBA running OS X then Windows 7 and comparing. Flash uses 22 to 26% of the CPU that OS X uses to run the same files. Similar experiences when running HD video playback.

Has anyone run the 15" MBP solely on the Intel GMA HD and reported experience and any benchmark results? I don't know that the Intel GMA HD can be forced on the user? I would love if someone gave us a fair scientific test to show everyone exactly what SJ and Apple know and why they used C2D and Nvidia 320m over Intel Core i3 w/Intel GMA HD on the 13" MBPs.

How throttled is the current MBA processor? Do you have any issues with watching HD Videos? I ask because considering i dont believe there will be a major bump with the MBA, i wonder if its capable as it to handle something as simple as 720p video (I've seen varying responses to HD video on this forum and i trust your opinion on the matter)
 

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How throttled is the current MBA processor? Do you have any issues with watching HD Videos? I ask because considering i dont believe there will be a major bump with the MBA, i wonder if its capable as it to handle something as simple as 720p video (I've seen varying responses to HD video on this forum and i trust your opinion on the matter)

It can handle 1080p fine
 

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Its like this, your the king of the air forum. Dont get mad I am just giving you information.

You were not giving information you were being a know it all wanting to prove you posted it first. Somehow you want to be known as "first" or "fastest" to post. I provide actual insight and information into my posts. If you think I found your post and made a thread out of it you're dead WRONG! I wouldn't copy you for anything, and I certainly wouldn't whine and cry and say everyone needs to recognize I posted something first if someone else was reading Engadget at the same time.

BTW, you NOR I were first. Engadget was FIRST to report the Intel Press Release.

Don't ever think that people will find you "better" or superior in any way because you copied someone else's website first. Readers enjoy intelligent analysis of information reported. You provided no such benefit from your post that I supposedly now copied from you.

GO start a thread crying you were first and leave this thread for some actual analysis and ideas of what these Intel processors COULD mean to the MBA.

Provide some intelligent analysis or ideas about these Intel CPUs if you're going to keep posting here... otherwise you're just wasting our time.
 

aiqw9182

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I think if Apple does this to the next update they will be fine:

screenshot20100524at254.png


Give or take 100 bucks.
 

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How throttled is the current MBA processor? Do you have any issues with watching HD Videos? I ask because considering i dont believe there will be a major bump with the MBA, i wonder if its capable as it to handle something as simple as 720p video (I've seen varying responses to HD video on this forum and i trust your opinion on the matter)

The CPU in the MBA is throttled. It is rarely ever running at the clock speed advertised. The 2.13 GHz CPU is almost never running at 2.13 GHz. Could run as low as 800 MHz even.

It can handle 1080p fine

With h.264 acceleration the GPU can handle a lot of intensive stuff fine. What the MBA struggles at is running HD video within a browser plug-in. Definitely when running a video via an HD video playback application, the MBA handles HD video just fine.

Fortunately, Apple just gave API access to low-level h.264 GPU acceleration for the Nvidia GPUs in OS X. The 9400m changed the game in Macs. Now the 9400m, 320m and 330m GT all have GPU performance capabilities and hardware acceleration.

The MBA is indeed capable right now, but its CPU is throttled and so is the GPU. Neither runs at their full clock speed.
 

coast1ja

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Thank you Scottsdale for bringing the new technology and possibilities for the MBA to our attention.

Reading this thread got me thinking about what could actually be possible for the next MBA. Here are a few of my thoughts:

1. integrate flash memory chips in the logic board, just like the current RAM configuration.

This would allow a completely different form factor by removing the 1.8" drive. The memory controller would also have to be engineered into the board, but that wouldn't be THAT difficult either. Imagine an MBA that is basically the size of two iPads face-to-face with a hinge, or possibly thinner on the screen side. Is that thinness even possible? perhaps.

2. new, thinner keyboard.

looking at the current keyboard, you lose about a quarter of an inch in total thickness due to the depth of the keys and the mechanism under them. This could mean just a new conventional style keyboard with thinner keys and less movement, or it could possibly mean a virtual keyboard using e-Ink and haptic feedback... this would be cool, as you could actually change what the keys say on them, when the function key is pressed, for example... this would also alleviate the need for different language versions of the keyboard.

3. Apple-designed CPU and GPU.

We have already seen that Apple can create it's own CPUs, but what if Apple designed it's own GPUs too? This would be ideal if apple doesn't want to build to the constraints of existing chips.


If all of these things were utilized in the next MBA (I'm not even considering they will be... but maybe on the Rev. E... eh, maybe M or N) imagine what apple could create for the MBA. Believe it or not, they need to make people want an MBA over an iPad (I know, they're totally different, but some don't see it that way).

Imagine a Macbook Air with uniform thinness, and hinges that would allow the screen to flip 360 degrees, thus making it fold up for easy reading of electronic content (with touch controls a la iPad). This MBA would also have an e-Ink keyboard that would simply clear the letters and disable typing once the screen was flipped past 180 degrees, leaving an aluminum-looking flat surface on the back of the machine when in tablet mode.

When the screen is flipped back into a more normal position, the e-Ink keys would appear and operate as normal... the trackpad would simply be outlined in e-ink, and be touch sensitive just like the keys with haptic feedback so you would feel an artificial 'click'.


Of course all of these features are simply musings based on what could possibly be done in the future. I am supremely sorry for going off topic, but this thread just got the gears turning and they wouldn't stop.

Now some questions for you:

Would you actually buy the proposed machine?... assuming it had something equivalent to an i7, discrete GPU, and at least 4gb of ram?

If so, how much would you be willing to pay, realistically?

Thanks for reading my rant, and I can't wait for the Rev. D!
 

hashholly

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The CPU in the MBA is throttled. It is rarely ever running at the clock speed advertised. The 2.13 GHz CPU is almost never running at 2.13 GHz. Could run as low as 800 MHz even.



With h.264 acceleration the GPU can handle a lot of intensive stuff fine. What the MBA struggles at is running HD video within a browser plug-in. Definitely when running a video via an HD video playback application, the MBA handles HD video just fine.

Fortunately, Apple just gave API access to low-level h.264 GPU acceleration for the Nvidia GPUs in OS X. The 9400m changed the game in Macs. Now the 9400m, 320m and 330m GT all have GPU performance capabilities and hardware acceleration.

The MBA is indeed capable right now, but its CPU is throttled and so is the GPU. Neither runs at their full clock speed.

Wow, i guess those are the tradeoffs of having a device so thin, thank you for the info.
 

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I think if Apple does this to the next update they will be fine:

screenshot20100524at254.png


Give or take 100 bucks.

Not going to happen. Apple cannot provide a 256 GB SSD and lower the price of the MBA. In addition, it cannot provide a 128 GB SSD standard in the low-end MBA. This just isn't realistic.

In addition, we could consider Apple having Intel "overclock" capable SL9600 CPUs to make 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo or faster out of the current SL9x00 CPUs. We could get a faster clock speed still from a C2D SL9x00 CPU. Apple could definitely provide this for the MBA by negotiating a deal with Intel. And I don't believe it's out of the realm of possibility for Intel to want to make Apple happy and go to an extra length for Apple.

I think the C2D plus Nvidia 320m makes so much sense for the MBA. I was originally disgusted with the idea of sticking with these CPUs and Nvidia, but Nvidia upped the 320m to an 80% boost over the 9400m and uses less power. Since Intel kicked Nvidia out of the GPU/chipset business, this provides the best possible update right now.

I think there are lots of possibilities, but I see your pricing as way off. I think the prices go back up because Apple now has the iPad for secondary entertainment type device used for "netbook" purposes. The MBA should get more powerful and a higher price tag to pay for the upgraded parts. The 256 GB SSD alone is going to add maybe $300 to the price of the 128 GB SSD Apple currently uses. I just don't see even $1799 happening in the high-end with 256 GB SSD. I think $1999 is the new high-end pricing. I think anyone that cannot afford the price should buy a 13" MBP or cheaper yet MB instead. Apple needs to provide luxury and charge its users to buy it.

There is the possibility of other better components too. We could get a complete design change, upgrade to Core i-series CPUs, discrete GPU, more RAM, double SSD, 3G/4G Verizon card included, IPS display, and etc. Whatever Apple includes that costs more than the current MBA is going to be added to the price. Any MBA update at WWDC has to include a high-end MBA not an MBA that competes in the secondary market with the iPad.

If Apple were to go lower prices as you suggest, I would say that MBA would make no sense and would actually compete with the iPad. Those customers would be deciding if they want a secondary Mac OS X experience or a secondary entertainment computing experience from the iPad. I believe Apple has a better chance to differentiate the MBA further from the iPad... it's the only move that makes sense right now. Apple has said it's a mobility company now, so why not provide an ultraportable computer that's high-class and runs Apple's competitive advantage over PCs with OS X. The OS is important to many customers who need the MBA as a more input or work type performance rather than just a consumption device. OS X makes sense on an ultraportable Mac for the mobility company Apple has declared itself. Many want more than a smartphone OS on a tablet and the MBA is that device. More than ever I think the demand will grow for the MBA and people will use an MBA as their primary computer and the iPad needs a "home" to dock to... the two together are the ultimate in both Mac OS X work capabilities in the MBA and entertainment consumption in the iPad.
 

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Thank you Scottsdale for bringing the new technology and possibilities for the MBA to our attention.

Hi there. Long time no see. Nice to see you back here.

Hey, you're thanking the wrong person for posting this thread. According to Timmy100 he or she deserves the credit for posting this as was posted with a link to a post 12 minutes before my thread creation of the topic. Nevermind that there was no information and just a link with his, he was indeed FIRST.

You should actually be thanking TimTom100 or maybe thank Engadget if you want to thank who truly posted this information FIRST.

In fact, I think MacRumors should delete this thread and credit it to Jim100.

LMAO!

Nice to see you again!
 

aiqw9182

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Not going to happen. Apple cannot provide a 256 GB SSD and lower the price of the MBA. In addition, it cannot provide a 128 GB SSD standard in the low-end MBA. This just isn't realistic.

In addition, we could consider Apple having Intel "overclock" capable SL9600 CPUs to make 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo or faster out of the current SL9x00 CPUs. We could get a faster clock speed still from a C2D SL9x00 CPU. Apple could definitely provide this for the MBA by negotiating a deal with Intel. And I don't believe it's out of the realm of possibility for Intel to want to make Apple happy and go to an extra length for Apple.

I think the C2D plus Nvidia 320m makes so much sense for the MBA. I was originally disgusted with the idea of sticking with these CPUs and Nvidia, but Nvidia upped the 320m to an 80% boost over the 9400m and uses less power. Since Intel kicked Nvidia out of the GPU/chipset business, this provides the best possible update right now.

I think there are lots of possibilities, but I see your pricing as way off. I think the prices go back up because Apple now has the iPad for secondary entertainment type device used for "netbook" purposes. The MBA should get more powerful and a higher price tag to pay for the upgraded parts. The 256 GB SSD alone is going to add maybe $300 to the price of the 128 GB SSD Apple currently uses. I just don't see even $1799 happening in the high-end with 256 GB SSD. I think $1999 is the new high-end pricing. I think anyone that cannot afford the price should buy a 13" MBP or cheaper yet MB instead. Apple needs to provide luxury and charge its users to buy it.

There is the possibility of other better components too. We could get a complete design change, upgrade to Core i-series CPUs, discrete GPU, more RAM, double SSD, 3G/4G Verizon card included, IPS display, and etc. Whatever Apple includes that costs more than the current MBA is going to be added to the price. Any MBA update at WWDC has to include a high-end MBA not an MBA that competes in the secondary market with the iPad.

If Apple were to go lower prices as you suggest, I would say that MBA would make no sense and would actually compete with the iPad. Those customers would be deciding if they want a secondary Mac OS X experience or a secondary entertainment computing experience from the iPad. I believe Apple has a better chance to differentiate the MBA further from the iPad... it's the only move that makes sense right now. Apple has said it's a mobility company now, so why not provide an ultraportable computer that's high-class and runs Apple's competitive advantage over PCs with OS X. The OS is important to many customers who need the MBA as a more input or work type performance rather than just a consumption device. OS X makes sense on an ultraportable Mac for the mobility company Apple has declared itself. Many want more than a smartphone OS on a tablet and the MBA is that device. More than ever I think the demand will grow for the MBA and people will use an MBA as their primary computer and the iPad needs a "home" to dock to... the two together are the ultimate in both Mac OS X work capabilities in the MBA and entertainment consumption in the iPad.
Jesus, you sure like to type a lot. I think that iPad claim is a bunch of garbage, because the MacBook and 13" MacBook Pro will still be cheaper and data has shown that the iPad has not affected any Mac sales. The Air already sells poorly as is, Apple might want you to buy the iPad, but they would like it even better if you'd spend more money for the up-sale to the Air. Putting it at $2000 for those specs will provide horrible sales results

Oh and I'm well aware the prices aren't super realistic but they support Apple's other pricings. Oh and Apple can't offer 128GB SSD in the low-end? If Apple sticks with those iPod hard-drives for one more round of updates I will seriously laugh my ass off.

"We could get a complete design change, Unlikelyupgrade to Core i-series CPUs Little chance, discrete GPU Zero chance, more RAM Sure, double SSD No chance, 3G/4G Verizon card included LMAO!, IPS display MacBook Pro doesn't have it, why would the Air?, and etc"
 

coast1ja

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Hi there. Long time no see. Nice to see you back here.

Hey, you're thanking the wrong person for posting this thread. According to Timmy100 he or she deserves the credit for posting this as was posted with a link to a post 12 minutes before my thread creation of the topic. Nevermind that there was no information and just a link with his, he was indeed FIRST.

You should actually be thanking TimTom100 or maybe thank Engadget if you want to thank who truly posted this information FIRST.

In fact, I think MacRumors should delete this thread and credit it to Jim100.

LMAO!

Nice to see you again!


haha, don't let the glory-mongers get you down... the purpose of a forum such as this is to share ideas and information with people whom have similar interests, not to feed our egos. Any MBA discussion is good, as it shows Apple that there is still interest in this product. We should be glad to see that two people thought of the MBA (within 12 minutes of one another) when they discovered the information about the new intel chips.
 

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Audio over MDP is a no-brainer at this point.

If they do go with this config - they're gonna have to drop the price - have this 2.13Ghz model be at the price of the 1.86 Model currently.

We'll see - I really hope they can find a way to get the i7's in there.

And they will have to come up with something new by the end of the year (C2D out). So either they will skip the C2D solution now and wait for the more finite solution or if they have that already in the making they may introduce it as the new next thing (as it has been done before with the original MBA re: unibody) which will show the way for the MBP and MB in the future. Might even be ATI graphic solution to "punish" Intel for their move...
 

halledise

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should the Air indeed be updated at WWDC, it will be awesome = extremely impressive - that's what Apple are great at.

wouldn't surprise me to see 2 models.

one with current 2.13ghz C2D and the aforementioned nVidia 320M, 2 or 4gb memory and same 120gb PATA or 128gb SSD (more likely)

t'other - one of the new fangled core i-x with suitably paired graphics, 4gb memory and either 128gb SSD or (more likely) a 256gb SSD.

expect to pay more than now for the 'high-end' Air, but should see same or less $ for the 'low-end' Air.
(hopefully with the Aus$ currently being sold down against the US$, we won't suffer pricing discrimination as in June '09 here in Australia)

then in 6 to 8 months time we may well see a total transition to core i-x with dedicated graphics and even a new form factor, though personally I'm still in love with the current shape.

a simplistic analysis I know, but having read all the foregoing posts we are in the realm of tech-speculation.
Apple read forums like these to gauge user sentiment and expectations and I'm sure they factor this in in a small way to their refresh plans.

ultimately though in comes down to what works, $ margins and of course the 'wow factor' at which Apple excel.

exciting time ahead boys and girls
 

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And they will have to come up with something new by the end of the year (C2D out). So either they will skip the C2D solution now and wait for the more finite solution or if they have that already in the making they may introduce it as the new next thing (as it has been done before with the original MBA re: unibody) which will show the way for the MBP and MB in the future. Might even be ATI graphic solution to "punish" Intel for their move...

As an AAPL shareholder, I would be irritated to know Apple isn't updating its Macs when the tech is available just because it wants to focus its energy on the damned iPad and iPhone OS.

As a customer, it is ridiculous that I cannot buy a CURRENT MBA. Seriously, it's an $1800 luxury product and could easily be updated with the Nvidia 320m, RAM update, and larger drive. It seems obvious from the users here that people are WAITING for an MBA update. Why not make customers happy? It is NOT too much to expect EVERY product be updated at least annually. I mean a 19-month-old MBA is ridiculous considering the tech exists to easily update it. Apple has parts and drivers ready for integration.

Surely there is an update soon whether it's a quiet update before or after WWDC or a real update at WWDC. It is ridiculous from either shareholder or customer viewpoints to accept a company to not keep its products current and relevant to focus on maximizing all products profitability.

We all know that people will buy an MBA with a 2 GHz C2D or C i7, with a 320m GPU or better, with 4 GB RAM or two RAM slots, with 192 GB to 256 GB SSD available even as BTO option, and a buttonless trackpad. The vast majority of would be customers don't need the C i7 CPU or discrete GPU, they just want the C2D and Nvidia 320m update with more RAM and more drive space. Why not take advantage of these customers and get a sale now and later rather than just one or none later by these customers adopting another brand. We all know OS X is quickly losing its superior brand advantage over Windows 7, so Apple needs to not count on holding its OS hostage... Apple needs to update products in a timely manner to ensure customer satisfaction in ALL MARKETS APPLE COMPETES IN.
 

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should the Air indeed be updated at WWDC, it will be awesome = extremely impressive - that's what Apple are great at.

wouldn't surprise me to see 2 models.

one with current 2.13ghz C2D and the aforementioned nVidia 320M, 2 or 4gb memory and same 120gb PATA or 128gb SSD (more likely)

t'other - one of the new fangled core i-x with suitably paired graphics, 4gb memory and either 128gb SSD or (more likely) a 256gb SSD.

expect to pay more than now for the 'high-end' Air, but should see same or less $ for the 'low-end' Air.
(hopefully with the Aus$ currently being sold down against the US$, we won't suffer pricing discrimination as in June '09 here in Australia)

then in 6 to 8 months time we may well see a total transition to core i-x with dedicated graphics and even a new form factor, though personally I'm still in love with the current shape.

a simplistic analysis I know, but having read all the foregoing posts we are in the realm of tech-speculation.
Apple read forums like these to gauge user sentiment and expectations and I'm sure they factor this in in a small way to their refresh plans.

ultimately though in comes down to what works, $ margins and of course the 'wow factor' at which Apple excel.

exciting time ahead boys and girls

Apple isn't going to go backwards to a "PATA" HDD. It would use SATA-II just as it has with v 2,1 MBAs.

I absolutely disagree that Apple would have two completely different chipsets. This is what you're suggesting, and that makes zero sense from a cost perspective. It costs more to keep two product run setups possible. It costs more to buy half of two different products. It costs more to integrate drivers from two different sets of hardware. It costs more to keep OS X upgraded with double the products to keep current.

If Apple has to solder RAM to the board even, it will probably just have one board with same RAM amounts in both low-end and high-end MBA.

Sorry, but we can look at how efficient Apple's MacFive is and how Apple uses one system to keep as many customers happy as possible. It actually would cost more money to make two different MBA's as you're suggesting than just to give every would be low-end MBA the same components as used in high-end model. This just isn't the way Apple does business, and we can see it with all of its Macs. Hell, Apple uses one strategy across five Macs to maximize its economies of scale advantages.

I see low-end and high-end MBAs as differing from each other by CPU clock speed with two CPUs that fit in same board, multiple drive sizes, maybe RAM if RAM slots, and other components not soldered to the logic board.

A C2D MBA means both get C2D and Nvidia GPUs. A Core i7 MBA means both get Core i-series CPUs and the same chipset. Now there could be a Core i5 in low-end and Core i7 in high-end but both would use same exact chipset.

Apple is king at ROI and that means one process and one component setup for as many Macs as possible.
 
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