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Fx203

macrumors newbie
Aug 17, 2009
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True. I use both. Ironically though, you're using a 13 mbpro due partially to msft. Or or least apples price points.

Apple all but ditched the pro user. If you need anything near high end, even a MacBook pro, you need the express slot for raid or processing express cards ala AUD, only on 17" while the rest have been slashes in price pretty big. This is why I'm glad I got one of the last with express slot. In some ways, msft is working as apple reduced prices and like I said if you need just one pro funtion, you will have to pay big time. In a way, I'm glad. The prosumer market for audio, video and gamerz exceeds the music biz and apple has yet to address that. Mid range headless. Or mbp with express slot and fast gpu and I think windows 7 will make that happen.

We will see more prosumer products. And cheaper. I remember when a mac could hold it's vaule. Now I saw a 2.4 bid on eBay tonight End under $700, so there is some things going on that right now looks like Apple (US economy), is doing well (china example making everything gave illusion economy was well), only to find out, I hope not, that apple goes flat. Especially if the don't address the mid range or put back all the pro features like they did with FireWire. Told everyone it had nothing to do with form factor but everything to do with money. Forcing hand of small high end yet PEOPLE responsible for putting up with all of Apples silly G4/5 benchmarks that were much slower.


Typing on iPhone. Hope this make sense.

Peace

Im using the 13"MBP mainly because i need it for school and don't want a laptop that is too big. As of right now the new 13" is fine for me because i don't have any express cards (since i am using a imac). Still, i agree with the statement that apple should release a mid range mac as most people who want to get into the creative field (ie: film, music,etc) cant afford the mac pro and the imac isn't expandable. I also think the express slot will come back, but only as a "extra" BTO option (like mate screens). The reason I say that is because like me i don't have a need for the express slot so a SD card slot in its place is fine for me but certain people (like yourself for example) need an express slot and use it all the time. Hopefully the release of Win 7 will push apple to enter the mid range market and/or put back all the pro features, but only time will tell what apple will do.

-Fx
 

Kyprioth657

macrumors newbie
Oct 8, 2007
24
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I think it has more to do with fanboyism than actual experiences on a Mac. Even if they did have a positive experience using a Mac (which they probably will), they're all too stubborn and one-sided to admit that they enjoyed using a Mac.

They take any bit of negative press they can use as fuel to hate, and exploit it completely. Thats fanboys for ya.

I don't understand fanboys. Why can't you like both? Or why can't you like one thing without having to put down the other? I PREFER using Macs and think they are overall much better products, but I don't have to put down PC users in order to enjoy my Mac. I just think they're a better product, I don't need to spend all my energy focusing on putting down PCs. Its funny because they spend more time worrying about hating on Macs than they do just enjoying whatever they have.

Oh, yes, yes, because the only way someone could dislike Macs is if they never used one.

I used one all the time. My high school used Macs exclusively. I HATED them. They were slow as ****. They didn't BSoD, but they did that stupid endless twirling rainbow pointer **** instead. They were just as ****** as any low-end PC I've ever used, but three times as expensive.

If you spend Mac money on a PC, you get a perfectly fine computer. I never have problems with this Gateway. You get what you pay for.

Why do Mac people always have a superiority complex over their OS? It's not that great.
 

YsoSerious

macrumors 6502
Oct 8, 2008
324
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Apple is really starting to annoy the hell out of me with their stupid, flat out lies they call commercials. I mean come on already, can't we all just play nice? Yeah, PC gets viruses, doesn't mean Macs are completely safe. As the popularity of macs continues to grow, the more attacks it will have, it's inevitable. So load up on the penicillin and stock pile up on antivirus cause a S**T storm is coming, I guarantee it.
 

reservedegotist

macrumors regular
Aug 19, 2009
171
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Oh, yes, yes, because the only way someone could dislike Macs is if they never used one.

I used one all the time. My high school used Macs exclusively. I HATED them. They were slow as ****. They didn't BSoD, but they did that stupid endless twirling rainbow pointer **** instead. They were just as ****** as any low-end PC I've ever used, but three times as expensive.

If you spend Mac money on a PC, you get a perfectly fine computer. I never have problems with this Gateway. You get what you pay for.

Why do Mac people always have a superiority complex over their OS? It's not that great.

Kinda unfair to bash on Macs like that. I feel like setting up a network of computers, whether Windows or Mac is very YMMV -- my personal Mac is just rippin away and I'm very happy with it, but I cannot say the same for the aluminum iMacs in my college...it's slow as hell.

Blame the admins for shoddily setting up the network (unless it's inevitable, someone educate me here on this). Of course you can make the argument that if admins are that incompetent they should just stick with Windows PCs, but OTOH Macs are also needed for certain software like Logic, Final Cut, etc.
 

DMann

macrumors 601
Jan 13, 2002
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Apple is really starting to annoy the hell out of me with their stupid, flat out lies they call commercials. I mean come on already, can't we all just play nice? Yeah, PC gets viruses, doesn't mean Macs are completely safe. As the popularity of macs continues to grow, the more attacks it will have, it's inevitable. So load up on the penicillin and stock pile up on antivirus cause a S**T storm is coming, I guarantee it.
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling..."​

Not so easy to attack an OS which is not as permeable as a screen door. We've suffered the viral epidemic on Windows for many years - no thanks.

Freedom from Anti-Viral software, registry, DLLs, defragging - Priceless!​
 

Eddyisgreat

macrumors 601
Oct 24, 2007
4,851
2
Apple is really starting to annoy the hell out of me with their stupid, flat out lies they call commercials. I mean come on already, can't we all just play nice? Yeah, PC gets viruses, doesn't mean Macs are completely safe. As the popularity of macs continues to grow, the more attacks it will have, it's inevitable. So load up on the penicillin and stock pile up on antivirus cause a S**T storm is coming, I guarantee it.

I hope you are the one that's gonna be on the case, cause you sound pretty sure of yourself. The current virus writers thus far havn't had success, why don't you change the tide? "YsoSerious makes first OS X virus! Mac users caught off guard! Steve Jobs personal mac owned!"

I get your logic though. When Apple gets about 11% or 12% marketshare it will INSTANTLY turn into Windows NT, and Windows NT based OSs will actually switch over to *nix mode right? Who woulda thunk it?
 

YsoSerious

macrumors 6502
Oct 8, 2008
324
22
I hope you are the one that's gonna be on the case, cause you sound pretty sure of yourself. The current virus writers thus far havn't had success, why don't you change the tide? "YsoSerious makes first OS X virus! Mac users caught off guard! Steve Jobs personal mac owned!"

I get your logic though. When Apple gets about 11% or 12% marketshare it will INSTANTLY turn into Windows NT, and Windows NT based OSs will actually switch over to *nix mode right? Who woulda thunk it?

So what's your point?!?! Get a clue first, before you open up and offer pointless opinions. Dare to say there isn't some geek sitting in his room thinking up of a way to remotely hack your mac. Wait, it already happened, and wait we have a security update for that!! August 12 2009 So keep saying to yourself, "yeah, THAT will never happen", and see what comes of it.
 

Eddyisgreat

macrumors 601
Oct 24, 2007
4,851
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So what's your point?!?! Get a clue first, before you open up and offer pointless opinions. Dare to say there isn't some geek sitting in his room thinking up of a way to remotely hack your mac. Wait, it already happened, and wait we have a security update for that!! August 12 2009 So keep saying to yourself, "yeah, THAT will never happen", and see what comes of it.

The only opinion here is yours. A security update was issued? And? Why you bring up this specific example and say our macs have already been compromised is WAAYYY beyond me, since this exploit has jack squat to do with any of that. Did you even read it? Honestly, I don't think so. This is a simple DoS attack. Come up with something better next time. In fact let me post it for your convenience:
About Security Update 2009-004 said:
Impact: A remote attacker may be able to cause the DNS server to unexpectedly terminate

Description: A logic issue in the handling of dynamic DNS update messages may cause an assertion to be triggered. By sending a maliciously crafted update message to the BIND DNS server, a remote attacker may be able to interrupt the BIND service. The issue affects servers which are masters for one or more zones, regardless of whether they accept updates. BIND is included with Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server but it is not enabled by default. This update addresses the issue by properly rejecting messages with a record of type 'ANY' where an assertion would previously have been raised.

I think with your rose colored Ballmer glasses you saw :
Impact: A remote attacker IS GONNA HAX YOUR BOX!1!
Description: NO BODY IS SAFE! RUN!

I won't sit here and say that some "geek" hasn't been trying to cook something up, but so far the best we've had are a few trojans, and I guess we can include your fixation on DoS attacks against DNS servers (?). There are some talented hackers out there especially guys who do security at the academic level. Why haven't these guys figured out a way to create a worm that infects OS X machines via the internet and released it on a global scale? Why have they all passed up the opportunity for celebrity status if its just soooo EZ. Just bow down to *nix and realize that it isn't impenetrable but it isn't NT either. Fundamentally different at the core and THAT'S the issue.
 

sushi

Moderator emeritus
Jul 19, 2002
15,639
3
キャンプスワ&#
Dare to say there isn't some geek sitting in his room thinking up of a way to remotely hack your mac.
Sure.

But the point many are trying to make is that it has not happened yet.

To use an analogy. It would be like having a worn tire on your car. You see that it is worn, so you change (get) the tire before there is an issue with it. However, during your normal operation you never had an issue with the tire, other than it was worn.

These discussions remind me of the amateur (could of, would of, should of) investors in the stock market. Big difference from those who actually make money. :)
 

BongoBanger

macrumors 68000
Feb 5, 2008
1,920
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Sure.

But the point many are trying to make is that it has not happened yet.

And probably never will. If the best in the business couldn't remotely crack any of the three main current generation operating systems despite extensive preparation it's unlikely a bedroom coder will.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
Apple is really starting to annoy the hell out of me with their stupid, flat out lies they call commercials. I mean come on already, can't we all just play nice? Yeah, PC gets viruses, doesn't mean Macs are completely safe. As the popularity of macs continues to grow, the more attacks it will have, it's inevitable. So load up on the penicillin and stock pile up on antivirus cause a S**T storm is coming, I guarantee it.

"Flat out lies"?

It would only be a "flat out lie" if I claimed the competition's hardware was $1000, when the price was actually $899.

Sound familiar?

THAT is lying.

And as to your last comment, we've been hearing that since 2002. *yawn*
 

dejo

Moderator emeritus
Sep 2, 2004
15,982
452
The Centennial State
Isnt a thief worried more about not being famous?
I would think a professional thief (which is why I used that term) would appreciate a certain amount of notoriety.

Yeah, PC gets viruses, doesn't mean Macs are completely safe.
Your corollary does not match your initial proposition. No OS is 100% safe. But that's not the same as saying they get viruses.
 

Kyprioth657

macrumors newbie
Oct 8, 2007
24
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Kinda unfair to bash on Macs like that. I feel like setting up a network of computers, whether Windows or Mac is very YMMV -- my personal Mac is just rippin away and I'm very happy with it, but I cannot say the same for the aluminum iMacs in my college...it's slow as hell.

Blame the admins for shoddily setting up the network (unless it's inevitable, someone educate me here on this). Of course you can make the argument that if admins are that incompetent they should just stick with Windows PCs, but OTOH Macs are also needed for certain software like Logic, Final Cut, etc.

I'm not bashing on Macs. I'm bashing on idiots who thinks all Macs are better than all PC's just because of the OS.

Also, having a bad network wouldn't make a javascript-writing program lock up constantly. They were bad computers.

You know why? The school bought cheap (read: old) Macs.If they bought cheap PC's they'd have the same problem. I repeat...if you spend Mac money on a PC...and don't run that attachment you get called NAKEDPICS.jpeg.exe, you're fine.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
I'm not bashing on Macs. I'm bashing on idiots who thinks all Macs are better than all PC's just because of the OS.

LOL, they kinda have a point. OS X is a very big deal. And it's night and day compared to Windows.

It's perfectly natural to think it's all about the OS.
 

Ericatomars

macrumors regular
Aug 1, 2008
201
0
Chicago IL
ugh those laptop commercials annoy the hell out of me... "i guess im not cool enough for a mac" (one of the first commercials to air?)

I've made the switch from PC to mac. I went from a Dell to the Alum 2.4 Ghz Macbook. (of course after i buy mine they drop the price and it becomes a pro) but I've its never froze, everything works great and speedy. Updates are fast and easy. It's light, The screen is great and did i mention the ease of using!!

If you want a quality product then you gotta pay alittle more, So far its been worth every penny!!
 

Mainyehc

macrumors 6502a
Mar 14, 2004
879
448
Lisbon, Portugal
I'm sorry but there's so much wrong with your post it's difficult to know where to begin with. You may want to familiarise yourself with the process of installing and booting from a USB stick for a start.

Now, I don't want to provoke you or anything, but while I recognize that I didn't in fact know that was even possible on PCs, there's a reason why I never heard of that in the first place. After trying to quench my ignorance on the matter all I can say is that it is, IMHO, one of those demanding tasks that no one but the most knowledgeable expert will attempt at performing.

Do enlighten me and tell me if there is an easier method than either the various ones which I found after googling "USB boot" (http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm , http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-5928902.html , http://www.weethet.nl/english/hardware_bootfromusbstick.php ) or an HP utility which I can't seem (nor will I bother to) find on their website since every link to it featured in a blog I came across is dead.

Last time I checked, restarting a Mac while pressing the Option key beats some bizarre methods involving floppy disks (I mean, who even uses those anymore, now that most laptops don't even come with floppy drives anyway?), and/or fidgeting with the command-line, BIOS settings or any obscure third-party utilities, because, you know, it actually "just works" on Macs both old and recent, out of the box, with all kinds of external volumes, as long as they have the correct partition table and filesystem, and can bear a full OS instalation...
 

BongoBanger

macrumors 68000
Feb 5, 2008
1,920
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Now, I don't want to provoke you or anything, but while I recognize that I didn't in fact know that was even possible on PCs, there's a reason why I never heard of that in the first place.

That's rather the point though - if you're going to criticise a platform or an OS for what it can or cannot do you need to be a lot more knowledgeable about your subject matter.

This is probably the easiest way to set up an install stick:

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/

Once you've done that it's simple to install from and is no different from the prep you have to do to reinstall a Mac from a non-optical solution.

I agree with some of the stuff you say in your post but there are too many errors in it for it to hang together.
 

Mainyehc

macrumors 6502a
Mar 14, 2004
879
448
Lisbon, Portugal
That's rather the point though - if you're going to criticise a platform or an OS for what it can or cannot do you need to be a lot more knowledgeable about your subject matter.

This is probably the easiest way to set up an install stick:

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/

Once you've done that it's simple to install from and is no different from the prep you have to do to reinstall a Mac from a non-optical solution.

I agree with some of the stuff you say in your post but there are too many errors in it for it to hang together.

Phew! 9 steps in all!

So, tell me again, four years later, how my stuff was so full of errors? Ok, those comments about floppies were a tad misguided, but that guide you shared does not seem easy at all, sorry to tell you (I could do it all the same and, in fact, I've done much harder stuff on OS X like creating customized and self-cleaning/resetting kiosk-like guest accounts – and boy, did those involve fidgeting with hidden settings in Terminal and utilities like Deeper –, but for simpler stuff like maintenance I'd rather not have to spend that much time). Disk Utility has *always* been much easier to use than that (and has always been exclusively GUI-based, at that…).

I'll give you this: Apple is now tightening the whole DIY recovery scene by deliberately making it harder (nigh impossible, even) for you to downgrade OS X versions (yes, I could downgrade from Mountain Lion to Lion, or even to Snow Leopard if I were so inclined, but that would actually require a convoluted process involving booting from an external volume with a full, working OS X Snow Leopard installation (not just an installer but the whole shebang) and nuking the whole internal volume to the ground in that older version of Disk Utility so I could remove those pesky hidden recovery partitions that actively keep you from downgrading), and by not making it easy for you to create bootable OS X installers (it can, at least, be done, through a series of steps not unlike those you mentioned for Windows: http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/08/make-a-bootable-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-installer-from-a-usb-flash-drive/ – including inputting some stuff into the command-line in the case of Mountain Lion), so let's call it a draw as far as OS *downgrades* and DIY recovery are concerned… Oh, wait, on second thought, scratch that last part, as “there's an app for that”™: http://liondiskmaker.com :p

As for the rest, please tell me how well that Registry ordeal is (still) working for PC users (and no, Win8 Apps don't really count, at least not if you're a professional relying on legacy software). ;)

Oh, may I add that, starting a few months before my last post, I actually managed two Mac rooms at my Faculty for two years straight and personally serviced dozens, if not hundreds of Macs, and still do as a freelancer? I still stand by my words: Macs are dead simple to maintain (recovery partition shenanigans notwithstanding), whereas Windows PCs… not so much (trust me, I had to deal with a few of those, too, and they weren't more difficult to handle for any lack of familiarity whatsoever; I started out by using PCs and, judging from the date of that post, I was using a Toshiba laptop at home back then, after my old iMac G5 went kaputt and before I got the Rev. A 27'' iMac I'm still using now, and all those three experiences combined were, to quote Steve Jobs, “a bag of hurt”, even when weighed against a few malfunctioning Macs, system crashes and the the occasional random bug along my 11-year ride on the Apple train). They've gotten much better, yes, but I still wouldn't touch 'em with a 10-foot pole if I was given a choice.
 
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