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flyinmac

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I think that people buy minis or imacs knowing that they're probably not going to upgrade at all (well, except adding some more memory on the imac). Why would you need to upgrade the imac or the mini anyway? And as somebody correctly pointed out, why would you buy one and a half computer? If you need bigger screen, buy the 24' imac.

Actually, I think the argument is to address the major short-coming of the iMac.

That is, that if you need a larger screen, that you must buy another computer.

Say I desperately need a computer for school or work. And, the 17-inch iMac is absolutely all I can afford. And, to buy the 17-inch takes every bit of money I can come up with.

Then, a little while down the road, I need a bigger screen. Well, now I must either put a second monitor next to the computer (which may not look nice at all), or get rid of a perfectly fine machine to buy another one just like it with a bigger screen.

If all I need is a larger screen, throwing-out or getting rid of the computer just to buy an identical computer with a larger screen makes absolutely no sense.

Putting another monitor next to it, usually results in an ugly combination.

So, you are typically faced with the choice of something ugly, or wasting a good machine to buy another one with a larger monitor.

Most would probably opt to just go with the ugly option since buying an identical computer and losing some money in the sale of your current one just doesn't make sense.

But, that defeats the idea that is promoted with the iMac of simplicity and beauty.

So, with that in-mind, an add-on screen that would compliment the iMac's appearance would have a likely market.

I know I once had an iMac G5 17-inch. But, later wished I had a 20-inch since I couldn't fit all my stuff on the screen. I set a PC monitor I had (an LCD which was very attractive by itself) next to the iMac, and the clash was just ugly.

So, I lived with the lesser screen space because my budget did not permit selling the iMac at a loss just to buy the same machine again with a larger screen. And, the clash of the two monitors was just plain ugly.

So, while some may not think that there is a viable market, and that everyone should just buy another computer when they need more screen-space, it should be understood that not everyone sees that as a logical move.
 

D ROCK

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Why the Slave Screen?????

I think many people are missing the point here.
"if you want a bigger screen just get the 24" iMac instead."
"aren't you buying one and a half computers....?"
Yes you are buying one and a half. and Yes this is the more expensive route than to just buy a 24"er at the start. but I am appealing to the person who ALREADY bought a mini or one of the "smaller" iMacs (or even a macPro and now needs a screen) because they didn't have the money to buy a 24"er.
Price is one of the biggest deterants to buying a 24" iMac. who wouldn't want one of these beauties??????
but every day 17 " iMacs and minis are sold by the hundreds? because at time of purchase that is all they can afford. Skip ahead 6 months, a year, 2 years... now they regret buying such a small screen, Hdd, etc... and wish they went bigger. but they still can't afford to buy a whole new 24"er cause they already spent 1100.00 on the first one.
Enter the slave screen.
this solves a bunch of "upgrade" issues that lets these users have an even more enjoyable mac experience.
they don't have to go out and try to find a matching screen or compatible "reliable" harddrive. "do I get firewire or USB2?" "which is the right one for me?"

instead they just get the 500.00 ALL-IN-ONE-iMac-UPGRADE-IN-A-BOX. :D
I really think there is a need for this product as it could serve not just iMac users, but also mini and macpro, and heck even the laptop group could use one at their desk as a stay at home screen and backup utility.
who couldn't use this?

and it's not something most people would buy at the same time as they buy the new computer, but they would add it later.
once they get a whole new computer and scrap the old one they can still hang on to the slave screen cause it would just add right on to the new setup. bringing along all their old files etc....

it gets better the more I think of it.


I really don't think cabling would be a real big issue either cause you only need one for power, one for the video signal, one for each drive, and then one to the hub that would replace those spots taken up on the host computer by the slave itself. therein you would not lose any ports but rather gain them in a different location.
and Apple would figure out how to make one nice clean looking cable with multi ends on it so it would be thick but still elegant.

anybody visualize what I am talking about here?
I would love to see an artists rendition of the slave screen concept.
I don't have access to my photoshop right now or I would give it a try myself..... :)


sorry such a long post. gotta go to bed now I guess....
D ROCK
 

D ROCK

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sorry flyin mac I completely missed your post or I would not have even posted that last one.

I didn't realize there were 2 pages to this thread and after reading the last posts on the first page I felt some clarification to my idea was needed. but you beat me to it!
glad to seee someone else liked the idea enough to see the value of such an upgrade option.... now if on someone would actually build the darn things!
hahahhaaa
D ROCK.
 

flyinmac

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sorry flyin mac I completely missed your post or I would not have even posted that last one.

I didn't realize there were 2 pages to this thread and after reading the last posts on the first page I felt some clarification to my idea was needed. but you beat me to it!
glad to seee someone else liked the idea enough to see the value of such an upgrade option.... now if on someone would actually build the darn things!
hahahhaaa
D ROCK.

Hey, no problem.

There's no reason such a thing shouldn't be made. It's actually an area that I have a bit of experience (used to design and build all kinds of electronic devices for sale). But, I'm "retired" from that life now. I leave the hows and designing and selling to someone else now and just use what I like to use.

Sure, I'll still make something for myself or family once in a while. But, I leave the mass production stuff to others these days.
 

D ROCK

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ive seen mini hardrives that are stackable and look just like the mini. but they are not made by Apple as far as I know?....
how would someone create something so similar in style without touching copyrights ?

have you seen what I am refering to?
heres a link I guess Apple sells them but doesn't actually make em?

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=9F323606&nplm=TJ257VC/A

this is basically what I am talking about but all inside the monitor. 500 gig for $299.00 that still leaves $200 to add in the monitor...or this one

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=60CF7454&nplm=TH301LL/A

for $169.00 definately fit a screen in and keep 'er under $500!

maybe LaCie can make this?
 

flyinmac

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ive seen mini hardrives that are stackable and look just like the mini. but they are not made by Apple as far as I know?....
how would someone create something so similar in style without touching copyrights ?

have you seen what I am refering to?
heres a link I guess Apple sells them but doesn't actually make em?

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=9F323606&nplm=TJ257VC/A

this is basically what I am talking about but all inside the monitor. 500 gig for $299.00 that still leaves $200 to add in the monitor...or this one

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=60CF7454&nplm=TH301LL/A

for $169.00 definately fit a screen in and keep 'er under $500!

maybe LaCie can make this?


In general, with copyrights you just need to adhere to the "one thing different" rule.

In the case of the Mini, it is a full computer, has a CD slot, and several other computer connectors.

In the case of the drives, they are hard drives with a USB and FireWire hub. No CD slot. So, they are fundamentally different.

Sure, there is always the possibility of a challenge. But, the "one thing different" rule generally prevails in Copyright. The only time a suit is guaranteed is if you are producing an item that is directly similar such as it actually being a computer that resembles the mini.

Otherwise, there would be no after-market add-ons for Apples. Ever since the original Apple II, accessories have been styled to blend with the computer. If Apple sued every-time someone made something that complimented the look of their computer, they'd have no market because there would be no add-ons to make their machines useful.

In some cases, the after-market add-ons (like the cooler / hard drive add-on for the IIgs) would actually serve to extend the machine's life-span. And, for that matter, it was also a similar stacker to the types we are talking about.
 

Spock

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Im not sure I like the internal HDD idea in the screen. But i do like a matching screen for the iMac. I have used Photoshop to make a version that I would like.
 

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D ROCK

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nice work Spock..... but all I see is text that says attached thumbnails.... I can't see any pics nor click on the text to go to a site that would link me to the pic you are talking about.....



and might I ask why not the Hdd's in tthe screen.
I think this is the major "coolness" factor of the slave.
it keeps the all in one theme going plus NOBODY has EVER done this.

A screen and storage all in one. (plus an extra hub as well)
(unless if you consider the imac itself....);)
 

Spock

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nice work Spock..... but all I see is text that says attached thumbnails.... I can't see any pics nor click on the text to go to a site that would link me to the pic you are talking about.....



and might I ask why not the Hdd's in tthe screen.
I think this is the major "coolness" factor of the slave.
it keeps the all in one theme going plus NOBODY has EVER done this.

A screen and storage all in one. (plus an extra hub as well)
(unless if you consider the imac itself....);)

Im sorry you dont see the pics I see them fine in Firefox. I dont like the HDD idea the hub is ok but I have been known to use the same screen for at least 2 or three newer computers just so I dont have to purchase a new screen, if the screen has a HDD in 5 or 6 years whos to say apple wont dump lets say Firewire 400 and replace it with 800 same goes for USB 2.0 I am then stuck with a HDD in my screen I can not use. Plus it will make noise and cost more.
 

D ROCK

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Do you currently use a dual screen config?
If you don't then my slave screen idea is probably not for you.
also if you don't like the idea of "wasting" money on a screen and like to invest it elswhere thats cool.
I understand that not everyone will like this idea. or buy one if they should ever become available. but I for one know many people who have seen the pros of having an upgrade solution to 3 main issues with the iMac all in one neat package. (that I believe based on what Apple is currently putting out -17 " iMac for $1100.00- that they could put this out for less than the sum total of the parts purchased separately.)

like I said before this is just an idea I had. but still I appreciate anyones feedback on whether or not you would buy one for your iMac, mini, macpro, or laptop?

D ROCK:)
 
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