of course the maths is off. Its ridiculous. Any user working with Non Disclosure or Sensitive material are often not allowed to use wi fi. Ethernet is so much faster and so much more secure. That is not to say there isn't a place for wireless devices of course there is, but the argument fails because there is no need do do away with Ethernet, and I question the logic of putting Ethernet in with a power supply brick. Better than to take ALL the ports off the iMac through one single port to a multi function micro hub that can sit on the upstand where there's already a cut out in the stand for access. Simply tilt the monitor up to have easy access to Ethernet, headphone jack, etc. etc., and in one fell swoop cut out the complainants comments about dongles etc.
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New iMac Is Bizarre
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Rather than what colour the bezel is, I'd prefer no bezel with the case wrapping round the monitor by 3mm holding the monitor in, with access if required via screws from the rear....if anyone has had to unglue monitors on the 27in. and the 21.5in. they will no doubt have preferred to have access in a less arduous way!
Without bezels the colour of the iMac would be up to the monitor edge.
Sorry to inform you but that's completely and utterly incorrect. Communication over Wi-Fi is highly encrypted and virtually impossible to read if implemented correctly (e.g. by using AES-based WPA2 encryption). Communication over ethernet cable is completely unencrypted and a breeze to sniff out (unless of course the transport stream itself is encrypted, which is a given in these situations and completely independent of the actual underlying transport layer). It also doesn't matter as we are talking about a consumer-level computer! Very unlikely to be ever used in a scenario where this might matter even the slightest.
I agree with your comment on ethernet, far more balanced than some. However 8 users sharing wi fi, will degrade performance, but if you are not all streaming or engaged in heavy network traffic it will probably be fine.
However, many business users will always go hard wired/ethernet for several reasons. Speed and security being the main ones.
Looking at this evolution of the iMac though it may be that business users who have heavier computing needs will wait this one out, giving first time Mac users an entry point and existing Mac users a reasonable upgrade option.
you didn't read my whole post. And didn't digest it. You just shot from the hip. Never did I disagree with the 'science.'
What a load of rubbish from an obviously uninformed user. Encryption is not dependent on whether you use wi fi or hard wired! The user or system can dictate the encryption.
just do some research please, as otherwise you make yourself look foolish.
I have no problem with people choosing wi fi, but then there is no need to be even an argument over it, and no reason to exclude Ethernet from iMac in the first place.
Is Ethernet faster than Wi-Fi? Yes, and a hardwired connection offers other benefits as well
Ethernet is typically faster than a Wi-Fi connection, and it offers advantages like greater stability and security as well.
www.businessinsider.com
Wi-Fi or Ethernet: Which is faster and which is safer?
Which one is faster and which one is safer? These two questions pop all the time when deciding between WiFi or Ethernet for personal and business use.
www.welivesecurity.com
I had never considered this. Are you certain it can or will effect ethernet performance?
I suggest you don't waste any more energy on that discussion. Just read through his comments and you'll figure it out lol.
Are you aware of the old Apple Cinema Display? It carried video, USB. and power all in a cable bundle. As far as I know, there was no degradation of signal.
The solution you are offering could be a 3rd-party solution, but I don’t think it is the type of thing Apple would include based on their history.
yeah the lightning cable carries data and power too. USBC. Power over ethernet. POwerline tech. ....
the guy is a FUDster.
He may as well warn us of overheating possibilities in the thin chassis as well.
One has to take a moment and consider exactly what 'degraded performance' on wifi really is when a group share an access point, because realistically, data throughput is still pretty much proximal than average ethernet via switches or consumer-grade routers. And while I might have considered the cost of wiring the house for ethernet, in practice I have found zero reason in network performance to suggest this would have been worth it.
I suspect (though make no claim to actually know) that is is not an uncommon situation for many domestic users of computing systems, because I don't see any proliferation of contractors offering post-build ethernet wiring services, yet I do see a huge proliferation in computers being sold and used in homes - notably during the pandemic where working from home and distance learning has been common.
My office is hard wired of course, because firstly, it came as part of the price for the build-out in the first place, and secondly, there were security concerns with access points being 'visible' to large numbers of unknown individuals in reasonably close proximity. Yet even so, more and more of our systems are migrating to wifi because it provides users with greater flexibility, and allows systems to be used in locations where there is no convenient ethernet.
The question I have no intention of engaging in discussion on, however, is who may or may not purchase one of these iMacs, and why. It is possible that Apple have not researched this to gain an insight into their customers, potential customers, and their needs, but I rather doubt this. I suspect they actually know pretty much exactly what they are doing with this product, and why, and as much as hearing (and voicing) opinions may be interesting in a rather academic sense, it is, even so, a little pointless.
Please oh please do us all a favor and stop spreading false information, alternative facts, and flat out lies. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about as there is not one not two but at least three layers to data encryption. From bottom to top these are hardware-layer encryption, transport-layer encryption, and end-to-end encryption. All of these work independently and can compliment each other to increase overall security.
Securing your Wi-Fi via WPA2 using AES-based encryption is encryption at the hardware layer, I believe ISO/OSI layer 2 (data link).
Securing your transport stream is transport-layer encryption happening at ISO/OSI layer 4 (transport), e.g. HTTPS, FTPS, SSH, etc.
Encrypting the data on your physical storage medium is end-to-end encryption and happening at ISO/OSI layer 7 (application) or above.
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No, it won't if implemented correctly. Apple4U is a FUDster and spreading misinformation, false facts, and flat out lies.
See #327.
He/she has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
Blair. Don't take my word for it, research it yourself. Obviously one user here thinks they know more than they do, so has engaged in rather silly comments.
Accept of course you can't guarantee someone will use passive POE which can damage equipment not geared up for passive POE.
Apart from which its the separation of Ethernet from the rest of the ports that makes no sense at all, let alone not having it as standard.
Its no point quoting POE when that is NOT what Apple are using in the new iMac and nowhere does it mention POE in the specs, its a power supply and an Ethernet connection.
As I have posted repeatedly, if Apple are taking Ethernet off the main unit, then take the rest of the ports with it, and put them with it in an accessible but discrete place.
So quoting POE is about as relevant as comparing apples with pears.
3398 - Power over Ethernet (PoE) Explained: PoE Standards, Types and Power Levels
Power over Ethernet delivers electrical power to PoE-enabled devices using your CATx network cables. Because you don’t need to run electrical wiring, PoE saves money in materials and installation time.
If the iMac is an all-in-one device, why do you want so many ports to connect stuff to it?
Wouldn't that make the iMac an all-in-several devices kind of device?
Wouldn't the devices you connect be just junky additions?
The most pure all-in-one computer would have zero ports.
Most of these negative comments are from impatient 'pro' users: hang in there, your time is coming!
A power brick is not sad a bad idea, but having ethernet on it is. It makes a messy situation, as if you are going to have ethernet on the brick, then a jack on the monitor casing, and ports on the rear, it would be better and cleaner to have NO ports on the main monitor/cpu or ALL the ports/connection on it.
Personally I'd prefer a mini hub fed from ONE port on the iMac, with a wove cable to match the power cable, with the cable threading through the cut out that already exists on the stand, with the micro hub then in the same colour as the iMac ordered placed on the upstand out of sight from the front, but accessed just by tipping the monitor to reveal all the ports. Its still an all in one, but more accessible, and only if a user didn't want a mini hub there would they change the position to wherever they wanted.
That hub could easily have all the ports/ethernet/headphone jack/card reader etc., all tidy, all accessible.
Failing that keep them all in one place, not decide to stick a headphone jack here, an ethernet connection somewhere else, and other ports elsewhere.
Same with the bezels. See so many arguing over whether it should be white or black, but personally get rid of them altogether by having the case wrap over the monitor edge by 3-4mm, rather than having screens glue on that have to have them unglued to get access. Far better to do that from the back with security screws, and the screen is seamless with the case. You pick the colour of the iMac and that is what you see at the edge of the screen.
If anyone's had to put SSD's into some of the iMacs they will no doubt confirm its a pain in the proverbial, requiring suction caps etc. etc., and sticky tape, rather than the whole CPU and inner works and the monitor being able to be repaired by just opening up the back with screws.
You're basically just complaining about the price. It doesn't matter what is the standard offering as long as you can get more by paying more.
You're basically just complaining about the price. It doesn't matter what is the standard offering as long as you can get more by paying more.
Except that for many people, ethernet is coming out of the wall just like their 110V power. Sometimes the ethernet jack is right next to the power receptacle. Other ports are used for peripherals which might be sitting on your desk or next to it.
My point was that an all-in-one computer is not a computer you choose if you want to connect things to it.
The one advantage of having ports on the power brick is that it allows you to have just one cable to the machine. If you care about aesthetics, it might be important.
This logic is silly mate. You need to connect things to your computer. There really is no getting around that. The user is better off having more ports as they need them.
And by adding a new power brick it's less all-in-one.
On this topic, I swear I need more ports on every computer I ever had. It doesn’t matter how many the machine has, I always run out.