New Lightroom line-up

[nilk]

I was an Aperture hold out, but a few months ago finally switched to Apple Photos and then started using iCloud Photos. Lack of cloud library storage is what stopped me from considering Lightroom, and I'm glad they are now competing with iCloud Photos and Google Photos. I'm not sold on iCloud Photos yet (don't really want to be that tied to the Apple ecosystem and editing capabilities in iOS are way too limited), but I am absolutely sold on the concept of storing photos in the cloud and being able to edit on any device, and this is now a basic requirement for my photography workflow. I love being able to import my DSLR photos on my iMac and then switch back and forth between my phone, desktop, and laptop to manage these photos. It actually has me using my DSLR more now, whereas before my iPhone camera was getting most of the action.

I was considering evaluating Google Photos, but now I am also considering Lightroom.

 

[kenoh]

But it will eat into my D850 fund!

You not got one of those yet?

 

[steveash]

The Adobe marketing people seem to have missed a trick here. They could have called the new product Lightcloud or something and we would all be happy that there is a new, interesting product to try. Instead, we are left with the word 'classic' making what is actually a zippy improved product, sound old and out of date and a new product that doesn't yet meet the requirements of almost anyone.

The New Lightroom will be a useful product when we all have super-fast, reliable data transfer and it has been developed into a fully featured product. By then we will all have ended up tied into a subscription cloud service of some kind and people might finally stopped moaning about Adobe!

 

[Apple fanboy]

You not got one of those yet?

Not even looking to get one tbh. The amount of photography I've done this year doesn't warrant the expense.
Happy with my D750.

 

[steveash]

You not got one of those yet?

Went to my local WEX-umet open day last week and was told by the Nikon rep if I put in an order I wouldn't get a D850 until next year.

 

[Sam5281]

Not so much intrigued by the "new" lightroom as others seem to feel same

BUT...side not, went to install the new version of "Classic CC" and said didn't meet my computer system requirements...

Very odd

*EDIT* - Might be because I am still on Yosemite and Sierra?
Just a guess

 

[MCAsan]

For those that will leave Lr and go to Luminar, Macphun is making a feature that will let you export your Lr presets as lookup table (LUT) files. So if you do migrate, you can take some things with you.

 

[macintoshmac]

Not so much intrigued by the "new" lightroom as others seem to feel same

BUT...side not, went to install the new version of "Classic CC" and said didn't meet my computer system requirements...

Very odd

*EDIT* - Might be because I am still on Yosemite and Sierra?
Just a guess

Possibly. Do look up the new requirements on the Adobe website. Although Sierra should have been just fine!!

 

[Moakesy]

Went to my local WEX-umet open day last week and was told by the Nikon rep if I put in an order I wouldn't get a D850 until next year.

Although I know this is showing off, had mine for 3 weeks and love it. I now avoid trying to justify it to myself, and just enjoy it. It really is very good.

 

[OzBok]

You not got one of those yet?

You got your M10 yet?

 

[Sam5281]

Possibly. Do look up the new requirements on the Adobe website. Although Sierra should have been just fine!!

I’m on Yosemite

 

[kenoh]

You got your M10 yet?

Nope.... no chance of that anytime soon... I have to just envy @TheDrift- 's

 

[Apple fanboy]

Nope.... no chance of that anytime soon... I have to just envy @TheDrift- 's

Mrs AFB says I can have one, but I'm not bothered!

 

[OzBok]

Nope.... no chance of that anytime soon... I have to just envy @TheDrift- 's

Ah I think I’ve worked out the conversation with Mrs Kenoh....
“Sure honey, go ahead and by your M10... when you do... I’ll get myself an M16.... and we can see who takes better shots”

 

[scotttnz]

I really expect that over time the new CC will gain features until it has parity with Classic. Then it will become more feature rich as new features are added to CC but not classic, just like what happened to the perpetual license version, until eventually they drop classic altogether.
For now I will upgrade to classic. I have 5 months left on my subscription, so that’s how long Adobe has to convince me that they can take care of my photos in their cloud (give me good access, back them up safely, or allow me too, not lock me in, all at a reasonable cost) in the mean time I will be looking at alternatives. My needs are relatively simple - 95% of it is just having a good raw converter, and cross platform (iOS and Mac) capabilities are helpful, but I usually only do a few quick edits for social media on my iPad.

 

[576316]

Enjoying Lightroom CC more than I enjoyed Lightroom 'Classic'. But my only disappointment is that it's currently not possible to sync custom develop presets between desktop and Lightroom. Which means I kinda still need to use VSCO for mobile editing.

 

[Traverse]

I'm actually very interested in the new Lightroom CC.

I've been using Apple Photos for about 2 months. I like the sync between devices. The editing is just okay, but the lack of RAW support is terrible. I mean, Apple allows you to shoot RAW DNG on an iPhone since iOS 10, but the iOS and macOS Photos app still just displays a low-res thumbnail?

The new Lightroom CC seems like a step up, or more "Pro" version, of Apple Photos which is what I'm looking for. I used LR Classic back in the day, but I never had access to any photos. Having them on my devices with iCloud Photo Library has been surprisingly nice and I'd like that same feature from another product.

Even if Affinity comes out with the DAM they've promised for years, but will likely be restricted to your machine only.
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I'll stick with LR 6 for now thanks. But not really interested in cloud storage or mobile editing.

My concern is that us old die hards with DSLR's want CC Classic feature but we are in the minority.
Mobile casual shooters are the pack Adobe are chasing. I just don't fit that model!

I keep reading this sentiment, but Adobe knows they're virtually the only Pro-DAM game in town. I think Adobe realizes that the bigger market doesn't like the old LR, but they're not getting rid of it.

I think LR Classic will one day be discontinued, but not until Lightroom CC can match it's essential features. I see LR CC growing rapidly over time, however, I think the Cloud-first and almost only approach will not change. The local-first mentality of LR Classic will likely die with it, but LR CC can download all originals too, it just also uses the cloud.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I'm actually very interested in the new Lightroom CC.

I've been using Apple Photos for about 2 months. I like the sync between devices. The editing is just okay, but the lack of RAW support is terrible. I mean, Apple allows you to shoot RAW DNG on an iPhone since iOS 10, but the iOS and macOS Photos app still just displays a low-res thumbnail?

The new Lightroom CC seems like a step up, or more "Pro" version, of Apple Photos which is what I'm looking for. I used LR Classic back in the day, but I never had access to any photos. Having them on my devices with iCloud Photo Library has been surprisingly nice and I'd like that same feature from another product.

Even if Affinity comes out with the DAM they've promised for years, but will likely be restricted to your machine only.
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I keep reading this sentiment, but Adobe knows they're virtually the only Pro-DAM game in town. I think Adobe realizes that the bigger market doesn't like the old LR, but they're not getting rid of it.

I think LR Classic will one day be discontinued, but not until Lightroom CC can match it's essential features. I see LR CC growing rapidly over time, however, I think the Cloud-first and almost only approach will not change. The local-first mentality of LR Classic will likely die with it, but LR CC can download all originals too, it just also uses the cloud.

But storing my RAW files in the cloud is not ever going to be an option for me.
If the cloud only option becomes the only option one day I'm out.

 

[maflynn]

But storing my RAW files in the cloud is not ever going to be an option for me.

I couple thoughts regarding the cloud - at least for me. First, I'll throw out this little caveat before I post my complaints - I'm not a pro, just a hobbyist. I used to be more involved with it, even doing some paid gigs, but overall I do it just for the love of it now

Anyway, with that said:

• Need to to upload my library to the cloud., i.e., uploading my 400+ gig library.
• Another issue - What happens if I choose to end my subscription? I'll then have to work on downloading the library, will that include my updates?
• Data security, the images are out of my control, and I'm trusting a third party to secure and back up my images.
• Lack of internet, there may be situations where I'm unable to access the internet either to pull down images, up.

There could be other issues, but those are the ones I keep thinking about. Unlike financial data, I'm not sure a hacker is all that interested in my pictures of flowers or a mountain range Yet the issue is that a hacker could do something to the libraries and corrupt them.

 

[kenoh]

I couple thoughts regarding the cloud - at least for me. First, I'll throw out this little caveat before I post my complaints - I'm not a pro, just a hobbyist. I used to be more involved with it, even doing some paid gigs, but overall I do it just for the love of it now

Anyway, with that said:

• Need to to upload my library to the cloud., i.e., uploading my 400+ gig library.
• Another issue - What happens if I choose to end my subscription? I'll then have to work on downloading the library, will that include my updates?
• Data security, the images are out of my control, and I'm trusting a third party to secure and back up my images.
• Lack of internet, there may be situations where I'm unable to access the internet either to pull down images, up.

There could be other issues, but those are the ones I keep thinking about. Unlike financial data, I'm not sure a hacker is all that interested in my pictures of flowers or a mountain range Yet the issue is that a hacker could do something to the libraries and corrupt them.

Hi,

Where does it say they backup your photos while on their cloud? Have you found it? I cant find that bit anywhere. I thought they allow you to sync up there for ease of access, but havent found mention of them backing them up for you while they are there. If they dont do this and they lose their storage arrays, then your images go too.

My main concern is where do I put them the day I cannot afford the subscription anymore (I hope that day never comes).

 

[-hh]

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I also have to say that I'm amused by all the "goodbye Adobe" rants going on around various forums. People continue to be unhappy with Adobe's subscription plans and are disgusted with the fact that the company is realizing increased profits. So I have to ask: "What's wrong with free enterprise and a company being profitable?" It's their job to deliver a solid product that sells and in a way that sells and I believe they have, after all Adobe isn't a charitable organization.

It really comes down to individual needs, priorities, etc, and if the customers' interests align with what a supplier wants to sell.

For example, I first picked up a personal copy of PS for home use when I was becoming more of a 'serious amateur' photographer, and that selection was based on me seeing value (for myself) for using the same software package at home as I was using at work. However, because my home need was just that, so it was difficult for me to justify buying every upgrade (thus, ditto for today's rental model as well).

And don't get me started on the cost of a subscription. Honestly...10.00 USD a month! How many people spend that much on coffee over just a couple days or one lunch away from the office. How about that new bit of camera gear for $120 a year. Seriously?

Sometimes it isn't the magnitude of that cost, but other "costs". For example, our local corporate procurement system is a royal pain to try to purchase software "rentals" (think 6+ months of approvals, even if it is merely a renewal), so we will only go through that pain if the license is more than $10K. Otherwise, we do without. FYI, adding to this bureaucratic wonderfulness is our IT Security policy that says that only the most recent version of an approved application is allowed on the network, so when they find an old copy of CS6 still on a PC (they routinely scan), they quarantine that offending PC until they can wipe it.

...Ok, I'm done and feel better now.

No problem. The frustration stems from knowing you had a tool that did what you need, and then for (whatever reasons) having that solution disrupted.

 

[whiteonline]

Hi,

Where does it say they backup your photos while on their cloud? Have you found it? I cant find that bit anywhere. I thought they allow you to sync up there for ease of access, but havent found mention of them backing them up for you while they are there. If they dont do this and they lose their storage arrays, then your images go too.

My main concern is where do I put them the day I cannot afford the subscription anymore (I hope that day never comes).

I think the proper method would be to maintain the masters on your local machine (there is a check box in the options to store all originals locally). Cloud is for convenience (access on other devices), not data integrity.
Should you no longer choose to pay for the cloud storage, you'll have your originals. I'd create a filter for developed photos and export locally.

 

[maflynn]

Cloud is for convenience (access on other devices),

Given that the default package gives you a terabyte of storage, it seems to me, that they want you to store everything up on the cloud.

Tbh, I've not really looked into it that much, because of the concerns I documented, but also because I'm not willing to page the increased price.

 

[kenoh]

I think the proper method would be to maintain the masters on your local machine (there is a check box in the options to store all originals locally). Cloud is for convenience (access on other devices), not data integrity.
Should you no longer choose to pay for the cloud storage, you'll have your originals. I'd create a filter for developed photos and export locally.

That is my understanding too. Just making sure my quick scan of the Ts & Cs hadnt missed it..

 

[robgendreau]

Hi,

Where does it say they backup your photos while on their cloud? Have you found it? I cant find that bit anywhere. I thought they allow you to sync up there for ease of access, but havent found mention of them backing them up for you while they are there. If they dont do this and they lose their storage arrays, then your images go too.

My main concern is where do I put them the day I cannot afford the subscription anymore (I hope that day never comes).

Every reputable company hosting stuff on the cloud backs it up. It's assumed anyone would know that. Not only for protecting the files, but to facilitate upgrades, etc etc etc. I dunno what server farm or third party Adobe uses for hosting, but you can find out more here: http://www.adobe.com/security/resources.html

I read somewhere they are gonna release a downloader application specifically for these cloud files, so you could get them back if you don't have local copies.

The big question is whether you could get the image adjustments back. But that's an issue with any software product where you make changes that you might wanna transfer to another program.